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Former drummer for Gary Lewis and The Playboys and The Coasters. Tim has also played with Paul Baloche, Lincoln Brewster, Darlene Zscech and Hillsongs, Jeff Fenholt, SteveCamp among others. Tim founded The Simply Agape Project in 2001 to get free Christian music to the troops. Recordings have been made with Tim, and friends Alex Acuna, Abe Laboriel SR, Justo Almario,Steve Camp , Jared Ming and some wonderful Independant Christian artists.The Somebody Brave CD also features words of encouragment to the soldiers from Pastors, Moms, Dads, and Lt Col Brian Birdwell a Pentegon 9/11 survivor Tim is married to Donna Wirth and has four children Alan 25,Steven 23, Brittany 22, Bethany 21. Tim has played in numerous churchs as well as shows on TBN. Tim has also performed on JCTV on the show Generation Worship featuring worship leader Jared Ming. Tim has a book published worldwide titled "Pass The Plate And Let Us Prey" (My Search For Black and White Christianity in a Gray Nation)

Wednesday, December 28, 2005

Whatever Works

Before we get into teachers, pastors and the salaries (or lack of) salaries. It would be appropriate for you to read this article by my friend and brother in the Lord- Paul Proctor.

Tuesday, December 27, 2005

Who is leading you into All Truth? Part 3

In starting this series lets realize that The Holy Spirit leads us into all truth.
Most every Christian I know would acknowledge this.
We will also explore why we have so many different truths out there.
Is The Holy Spirit leading people into different directions?
Of course not.
So what's wrong?
Why do so many different Christians believe so many different things?
We will explore this plus some current trends and folks that are leading you a different way.
Lets start here though.
John 3:30-36 out of the mouth of Jesus' own cousin John the Baptist inspired by The Holy Spirit.
"30 He must increase, but I must decrease.
31 He who comes from above is above all; he who is of the earth is earthly and speaks of the earth. He who comes from heaven is above all.
32 And what He has seen and heard, that He testifies; and no one receives His testimony.
33 He who has received His testimony has certified that God is true.
34 For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.
35 The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand.
36 He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

So first, we learn that we must decrease.
That means putting our own agenda's aside and finding out what God wants us to do not man or our own purpose driven agenda.
That's the first way we find out the real truth of scripture.
We learn the truth of scripture when we are totally submitted to the Holy Spirit.
We learn the truth of scripture when we are not using scripture to win a fight or to sell a book.
And its a hard thing to do and that's exactly why we have so many so-called truths out there.

Lets look at Christian books sales.
Christian Books
2002 sales of books and products through all channels: just under $4.2 billion, up from $4 billion in 2000. $2.4 billion sold through Christian retail outlets; $1.1 billion through general retail; and $725 million through direct-to-consumer ministry channels. First 6 months of 2003: CBA member store sales were down 2%. Books increased 8%, Bibles increased 2% but music and gifts decreased 9%. --Christian Booksellers Association reported in Publishers Weekly, August 4, 2003
and check this link out-
Nice big chunk of change to be made out there.

So the first problem is that we may have a certain agenda and the Holy Spirit does not work that way so instead we find scripture to prove a point.
And even unbelievers who have zero of The Holy Spirit can do that.
I also believe that a unbeliever could write a best selling Christian book, and has, so we need to be careful of what we read.

Second problem is we may not even be seeking the truth by looking in the ONLY source of truth the BIBLE.
There is no other truth outside the Bible.
No new revelations.
And other religions don't offer some truths.
The ONLY words of LIFE are written in scripture.
But seeking the truth of scripture in our lives through other sources like teachers or authors, will that lead us into all truth?
Problem there.
Some rightly divide the word of God-some do not.
And I really have nothing against reading devotionals or Christian books.
I love Utmost to His Highest by Oswald Chambers.
I also like Max Lucado in the early days, and even some CS Lewis.
However I am not going to let Max, Oswald, or Clive lead me into all truth.
The only source of truth is my Bible, and the only One who can possibly lead me into all truth is the Holy Spirit who I received in full upon salvation through Jesus Christ.
And the Holy Spirit can only lead me into all truth if I don't get in the way.
Your ambition, ego, anger, agenda, business marketing plan, church bottom line and even desire to make a difference and being zealous for the Lord plus many other factors can distort the truth that The Holy Spirit wants to lead you into.
You really need to re-evaluate what truth you are getting and the source.
You need to become less so He can become more.
If you want TRUTH, get it from THE BOOK(The Bible) not a book.

Next article-
Lets examine our teachers and the way our current system of church operates.
I would also encourage you to examine all I write under the light of scripture.
If it doesn't add up I would thoroughly encourage you to reject it.

Sunday, December 25, 2005

Who's leading you into All Truth? Part 2

A couple more verses to think about before this new series starts.

1 Peter 17-18
"17 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?"

18 Now If the righteous one is scarcely saved, Where will the ungodly and the sinner appear?

Proverbs 11:3
"3 The integrity of the upright will guide them, But the perversity of the unfaithful will destroy them."

Series begins Dec 26/2005

Thursday, December 22, 2005

Who Is Leading you Into All Truth? Part 1

First of all before even starting this series I want you to think about these verses I have listed below first..

1John 2:27 "27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him."

John 14:26 "26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you."

John 16:13-15 "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you."

2 Thess 2:3 "3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,"

Matt 10: 16 "16 Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves."

Matt 18:6 "6 Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Matt 21:13 "13 And He said to them, It is written, My house shall be called a house of prayer, but you have made it a den of thieves.

Jeremiah 7:9-11 "9 Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, swear falsely, burn incense to Baal, and walk after other gods whom you do not know, 10 and then come and stand before Me in this house which is called by My name, and say, We are delivered to do all these abominations? 11 Has this house, which is called by My name, become a den of thieves in your eyes? Behold, I, even I, have seen it, says the LORD. "

1 John 2:15-16 "15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life is not of the Father but is of the world.

Matt 21:12 "12 Then Jesus went into the temple of God and drove out all those who bought and sold in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who sold doves. "

Please study all these verses before you proceed.
And just one hint-Leave your felt needs behind.

Jesus CEO

A friend of mine sent me this link its a great read and explains a lot that has gone wrong with the church.

A short time ago I expressed a problem with the church I was attending teaching Lectio Divina to the junior high. I pulled the article after I had a meeting with the church leadership and I thought the issue was resolved. More has developed concerning this and I will be doing a follow-up article soon on this topic.

I will also be writing a short series of articles titled "Who is leading you into all truth"?

All of these article's are linked together with the link Im posting today so stay tuned.

The above cartoon from my book "Pa$$ The Plate and Let Us Prey-My Search For Black and White Christianity in a Gray Nation" says it all.

Tuesday, December 20, 2005

Church Growth gone mad

This is one on the best articles on Church Growth I have ever read. It is well thought out and biblically based. I found the article on Ingrids site.
I would suggest everyone stopping by read this whether your a fan or foe of Warren and Hybels.
Excellent article by Clay Miller.

Sunday, December 18, 2005

The Power of Positive Parking

I wonder these days if my friends at The Wittenburg Door and Lark News will soon be out of business?
Now I am not speaking a prophetic word or anything like that but goofy (and sad) stuff is happening in real life faster then our satirical brethern can make this stuff up.
Check out this link-

Saturday, December 17, 2005

Christian Yoga?

Yes why are we even talking about this.
A oxymoron at best bought into the church by morons.
More goofy stuff that is dangerously entering the church.
Article and interviews by my friends at Lighthouse Trail Research.

Numerical Growth can be deceptive

"The Purpose Driven Church" Warren says (pg 62) "Never criticize what God is blessing"
Just for the record I read the Purpose Driven Church.
Parts of it made me want to vomit, most of all Rick Warrens screwed up unbiblical views on music in church.
It did not surprise me though coming from a guy who is comfortable playing "Purple Haze" after worship music has been played. A guy who Excert from Richard Abanes(unofficial spokesman for Rick Warren) "Rick Warren and the Purpose that Drives Him page 38"In fact , he wanted to be a guitar playing rock" star referring to Rick Warren)

Article from Ingrids site. I also added a couple extra links as well.;f=2;t=002051

New Article by Steve Camp

New one by Campi about music inspired by Narnia.
CCM has truly lost its way, the same way churches like Saddleback and Willow Creek have.
If those churches truly offered a way in the first place.
All this happens when you become unequally yoked with the world. (2 Corinthians 6:14-15).
Both the CCM and many churches represent that verse perfectly.
Its not in the numbers folks.
And when someone parrots that tired old Rick Warren line "don't criticize something God's blessing, let them know that God isn't blessing it.
Sometimes a smart well thought out business plan results in numbers and tons of money.
That doesn't mean God is blessing it.

New article by Paul Proctor

Great new article by my brother in the Lord Paul Proctor.

Friday, December 16, 2005

Experiencing God?

Excellent article from my dear friend Steve Muse's website.

Are we called to experience God?

New Purpose Driven Life Expose'

Great Bob DeWaay article. If your church has recently undergone a Purpose Driven hostile takeover this i a must read for you. It may not change your leaderships mind but it will help you deal with the Purpose Driven lie.

Saturday, December 10, 2005

Is Catholicism Christianity?

I have struggled a lot about being raised Roman Catholic but then getting saved in a Christian church in 1994. I still love all my Catholic relatives but the point is it does not matter what you hear a certain Catholic may say about his or her religion but what the Magesterium(the teaching arm of the Catholic religion) teaches that matter. Because its always the bottom line with what the Magesterium decides should be made official teaching not up to the individual Catholic to decide for his or her self. Plus the pope is designated as Christ's representative on earth (by the Catholic church not scripture).
The pope is said to be able to speak with infallibility as well.
Plus tradition is elevated to equality with Gods word.
Which of course is a false notion.
Mary is also worshipped, and to those who would disagree I would say this. Even though Mary worship is played down in the states here it is full blown in South American countries and Mexico-that's just a fact.
Again Im not saying hate Catholics please don't misunderstand me.
But they teach a different jesus and a different gospel.
Here is a good article that addresses that subject.
Is Catholicism Christianity?

Friday, December 09, 2005

Article on church closings for Christmas

I'm sorry we even have to discuss this.
I remember thegood ole days when we were worried that the secular world would make Christmas too commercial.
We've come a long way baby.
here is the link.

Thursday, December 08, 2005

You shall know them by their fruits

Its not very popular sometimes to be a watchman in discernment ministry because they have to deal with a lot of negative issues within the church.
False preaching, the Emergent movement, PDL, seeker sensitive when dealing with these issues you sometimes get heat from the followers of these movements.
Even in my debates with Warrens ex unofficial spokemans Richard Abanes and others its tossed around-"Well you don't know Rick" , "don't criticize a Christian brother", etc... and the rhetoric goes on.
Number one -No I have never met Rick Warren.
But how do I really know Warren or any others that I draw attention to here?
Matt 7:15-16 states "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits."
And again in verse 20 "Therefore by their fruits you shall know them."

2 Peter 2:18 "For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error."
In Jude 4 in states "For certain men have crept in unaware"
2Peter 2:1 "But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you

So yes even though you may have never met a person you can be sure that you will KNOW them by their fruit. And fruit does not mean monetary success or a following or huge book sales.
There are many successful people who have huge followings that do not follow the Lord Jesus.
Instead Rick Warren and others choose to follow people like Peter Drucker and his teachings.
You will know them by their fruits.

Contemporary Christian Divination

A must read article from Bob DeWaay

The Issue of other Religious practices as Worship in the church

Excellent article by Mike Oppenheimer at Let Us Reason website. Mike has been a great source of information to me for many years now. Even before I knew people like Steve Muse and Bud Press.
Here is a link to Mikes site
Mike is a solid source of information and I encourage you to visit his site.-Tim

The Issue of other Religious Practices
as Worship in the Church
The Emergent church began as a grassroots movement of those seeking to understand what the Christian Church should look like in the 21st century. Their concept is- because the culture and thoughts have changed- we must adapt.
“We must imagine and pursue the development of new ways of being followers of Jesus … new ways of doing theology and living biblically, new understandings of mission, new ways of expressing compassion and seeking justice, new kinds of faith communities, new approaches to worship and service, new integrations and conversations and convergences and dreams." (
Our Christian worldview should not change no matter what the culture does. We are not to be dictated by Culture but by the Word of God. Because God’s word does not change and is eternally the truth it can speak to and be used for every generation, We can point to the one who is the truth and have anyone from anywhere understand the truth alongside whatever belief system they hold. But for it to affect the hearer it must be spoken and explained correctly without tainting it with the current philosophies of the day.
The Emerging church has become indicative to be the carrier of Contemplative prayer and integrating other spiritual practices. Many involved in contemplative and centering prayer find their influence and practices from eastern mystics and Roman Catholic mystics (monks). Their main sources are from Meister Eckhart, Teresa of Avila, and Morton Kelsey, Thomas Merton. Other men looked to are Henry Nouwen, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, Ingatius Loyola, Henry Suso, Dorothy of Montau, Julian of Norwich, Richard Foster, Dallas Willard, Thomas Keating, and Basil Pennington who taught on Centering Prayer. Others associated with these same teachings Jacob Boehme and George Fox. They claim 'Centering Prayer' can be traced from the earliest centuries of Christianity (fourth), what they don’t tell you is that it was held on the outskirts of the Christian church (mostly monks away from civilization). We do not need to hear of bad arguments to justify non- biblical practices. If it goes beyond Scripture the apostle Paul tells us not to accept it (2 Corinthians 4:6).
When you adopt other spiritual practices to Christ’s teachings you diminish and corrupt the truth. These practices are used to bring one into an experience, a knowing of God in a deeper way. Many of the young do not know what they are participating in but some of their leaders certainly do. What we see is a movement, a community of churches that are turning people into a group of free thinkers that do not look to the Bible (alone) as literal guide for their spiritual living. They are promoting spiritual experiences – which results in a Christianity without the Bible. Yet you cannot be a Christian without it. “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work” (2 Tim. 3:16-17). Once you go outside the Scripture and its principles to live a spiritual life you are damaging your growth. One may wonder how equipped those of the next generation will be if all they know is this alternative spirituality being introduced to them.Being open to other spiritual practices translates into a Synthesis of far more than the practices. Brian McLaren states, “Western Christianity has (for the last few centuries anyway) said relatively little about mindfulness and meditative practices, about which Zen Buddhism has said much. To talk about different things is not to contradict one another; it is, rather, to have much to offer one another, on occasion at least.” (A Generous Orthodoxy, p. 255.)
McLaren is promoting an exchange of spiritual practices and this one of the common elements found in the Emergent church movement. Though he does not come off as someone who openly rejects the fundamentals of Christianity they are buried under the new teachings and practices of a new spirituality for their post- modern outreach.
McLaren (and others) admire Hindus, Buddhists and other ways to God. To do this one needs to reject, to some extent, the literal interpretation and inerrancy of the Scriptures (the Bible), make no mistake- what they are presenting is not the Christianity the apostles delivered. This concept of learning truth from other religions has long been a useful tool for amalgamation.
“Centering Prayer is a method of prayer, which prepares us to receive the gift of God's presence.” “Centering Prayer is drawn from ancient prayer practices of the Christian contemplative heritage, notably the Fathers and Mothers of the Desert, Lectio Divina, (praying the scriptures), The Cloud of Unknowing, St. John of the Cross and St. Teresa of Avila. It was distilled into a simple method of prayer in the 1970’s by three Trappist monks, Fr. William Meninger, Fr. Basil Pennington and Abbot Thomas Keating at the Trappist Abbey, St. Joseph’s Abbey in Spencer, Massachusetts” (
We read “In 1974, Father William Meninger, a Trappist monk and retreat master at St. Josephs Abbey in Spencer, Mass. found a dusty little book in the abbey library, The Cloud of Unknowing. As he read this anonymous 14th century book presented contemplative meditation as a spiritual process enabling the ordinary person to enter and receive a direct experience of union with God.
This form of meditation, recently known as 'Centering Prayer' (from a text of Thomas Merton) can be traced from and through the earliest centuries of Christianity. The Centering Prayer centers one on God. (reference from contemplative outreach website)
During a conference on contemplative prayer, Thomas Merton was asked the question: “How can we best help people to attain union with God?" His answer was very clear: "We must tell them that they are already united with God." Contemplative prayer is nothing other than coming into consciousness of what is already there (emphasis mine, A Time of Departing by Ray Yungen, p. 80). It becomes obvious that many do not know they are adopting spiritual practices that are not from Jesus nor will lead to Him.
Did Jesus or the apostles ever instruct us to pray this way? If not where did it come from?
You Don’t Always get What you See or Experience
They call it alternative worship. Those involved in the Emerging church make use of liturgies, prayer beads, icons, chants and practices from Roman Catholics, the Orthodox, the Anglicans and even eastern religious practices. They see this as a return to the ancient faith that will give them a richer spiritual experience- practicing sacramentalism. By making it their own experience many see this as privatization of their faith. Yet it was Jude and others who wrote of our commonness of the faith and salvation we all share together in the Lord. There is no mention of these practices in the Bible. Of course one may argue that not everything God told us for our spiritual practice is in the Bible, revealing their being influenced by this new thought spirituality. 2 Timothy 3:16 says otherwise.
Their worship does not just involve old style candles and crosses, and incense. They make use of multimedia- music, video projection screens etc. to bring one into a multisensory experience with “the divine.” They walk the labyrinth in the darkness lit by candles and have the fragrance of incense permeate the air as they stop and chant Christian words or contemplate their thoughts and prayers. They can also carry their portable CD players – it becomes a personal spiritual experience as each one enters into their own spiritual space. Unfortunately the Bible has nothing to say about worship, prayer or meditation of this sort; but other religions certainly do.
There is a movement in youth ministry that is taking us back to what some would call ancient spiritual practices, or different contemplative tools.” (Mark Oestreicher, President Youth Specialties)
For example: It's Sunday just after 5 P.M.. in the youth room. Seven adults are sitting around a 'Christ-candle'“ in the youth room. There is no talking, no laughter. For 10 minutes, the only noise is the sound of their breathing ... now it's 7 p.m. ... one hour into the night's youth group gathering. There are 18 senior highers and five adults sitting in a candlelit sanctuary. A gold cross stands on a table. They're chanting the 'Jesus Prayer', an ancient meditative practice.”(from the July/August 1999 issue of Group Magazine - a leading resource magazine for Christian youth leaders. quotes from
In the Dec. 3rd issue of Youth Worker. Disciplines, Mystics, and the Contemplative Lifeby Mike Perschon: excerpt: “I built myself a prayer room, a tiny sanctuary in a basement closet filled with books on spiritual disciplines, contemplative prayer, and Christian mysticism. In that space I lit candles, burned incense, hung rosaries, and listened to tapes of Benedictine monks. I meditated for hours on words, images, and sounds. I reached the point of being able to achieve alpha brain patterns...” (November 2004)
They may call it a Christian prayer or use a sacred word (from the Bible), but it IS the same methods and practices used in eastern religions to achieve union with other gods. Saying certain phrases over and over: it does not matter whether the word is “Jesus” or “aum,” using this method you arrive at the same place. The mystics would instruct to “sound” the word silently or out loud; one can synchronize it with your breathing till it becomes part of you. You let go of all your feelings and thoughts that enter your mind and have only the sound of the word (but ignore the meaning of the word.) As it is repeated over, ones thinking diminishes, a new state of mind rises in the silence. One can have feelings of euphoria, oneness, your senses can be overwhelmed. They believe they have made a connection with something spiritual, sacred- God has broken through. The same state can be achieved with icons, mandalas; various other methods can be used to bring an alternate state of consciousness. How do I know this? I use to practice it when I was involved in other spiritual practices (the new age movement) before I became a Christian. It is non- compatible and not negotiable with the historic/orthodox Christian faith.
The Roman Catholic monk, William Johnston said: “In the mystical life one passes from one layer to the next in an inner or downward journey to the core of the personality where dwells the great mystery called God … This is the never-ending journey which is recognizable in the mysticism of all the great religions. It is a journey towards union because the consciousness gradually expands and integrates data from the so-called unconscious while the whole personality is absorbed into the great mystery of God” (The Inner Eye of Love: Mysticism and Religion p.127 (1981).
Deep Ecumenism = Inter-Spirituality
Matthew Fox is known for someone who has long crossed over the line and incorporated mysticism into Christianity. He among many wants to convince you that this is the right direction. In his book The Coming of the Cosmic Christ Fox contends that we should throw out any idea of a “historical Jesus” (p. 7). We should focus on the “Cosmic Christ” who is defined as “the pattern that connects” (p. 133). His experience shaped his new theology “The birthing of the Cosmic Christ is the purpose of the incarnation ... Divinity wants to birth the Cosmic Christ in each and every individual” (p. 122) The Cosmic Christ connects every part of creation with every other part: heaven with earth, divinity with humanity (p. 134). There is nothing off limits to people like this that name Christ and have no connection to the Bible or basis for their faith.
In an article in Yoga Journal, titled- One Truth, Many Paths What other spiritual traditions tell us about meditation can illuminate our own tradition—and the era in which we live. Matthew Fox writes “Ours is a time of what I call “deep ecumenism”: religious pluralism and discovery of one another's spiritual traditions and practices.
I'm reminded of a statement made by Griffiths (a Christian monk who truly did know his mystical tradition and practiced it in an ashram he directed for 40 years in Southern India): “If Christianity cannot recover its mystical tradition and teach it, it should simply fold up and go out of business.”
Douglas-Klotz's vision is comforting and challenging at the same time… using primal breath sounds from the languages of these three Biblical faith traditions, thereby connecting practices of the great Western traditions with those of the East.For example, he encourages us to “take a moment to breathe with the word adam....Inhale feeling the sound 'ah' as a breath from the Source of All Life. Exhale feeling the sound 'dahm' resonating in your heart, reminding you that your heart beats with the rhythm that began the cosmos.” (Yoga Journal,
In the PBS special on the emergent church we see the practice of yoga in the church. In Hinduism, Yoga is used to help one neutralize their karma, to find a way off the cycle of rebirth (reincarnation), it is a spiritual not just physical practice. How can this spiritual exercise be sanitized for Christian use. And for what reason would it be used? To relax! The Bible teaches God will “keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on You, because he trusts in You” (Isa. 26:3). One cannot make an excuse that they want to use it to experience peace and or the divine.
The idea of incorporating yoga, mantras and eastern type meditative practices should be appalling to any biblical Christian. The men [those] that promote this in the church (unknowingly) have no discernment, nor do they base their teachings or practices on what the Bible teaches; the way Jesus taught or how the apostles taught. However there are many who profess Christianity that have synthesized some of the teachings OF Jesus Christ (MOSTLY about love- they think is tolerance) with other religious practices, to intentionally change the church into something they have in their mind. the goal is to make us new and powerful in our age. Contrary to his statement of “Christianity recover its mystical tradition and teach it, it should simply fold up and go out of business.” We have entered an era of the danger zone for the church unlike any before. If we do not take a stand and be outspoken on yoga, meditation and the growing mysticism practiced inside the church we will watch the true church crumble before our eyes and be left with a transformation into a counterfeit. That’s how serious this all is.
We find certain leaders bringing in a hybrid form of Christianity. "I must add, though, that I don't believe making disciples must equal making adherents to the Christian religion. It may be advisable in many (not all!) circumstances to help people become followers of Jesus and remain within their Buddhist, Hindu, or Jewish contexts.” (Brian McLaren, A Generous Orthodoxy).
This would be like sending a Mormon or a Jehovah Witness who has come to the truth of who Jesus actually is and the way of salvation back into their false religious system. Be assured they will be eaten up and spit out, the seed of truth will be ripped off. In the very least this is negligent to say, on the other hand it is a dangerous way to do ministry.
Leonard Sweet is a major leader in this Emerging church movement. Brian McLaren has become well known because of his statements and books that challenge the church to question her teachings (i.e. his book The Last Word and the word after that, urges Christians to reassess conventional views of hell PBS interview).Though he makes the point, he does not speak for everyone in the Emerging church movement. However, the Emerging church's most intellectual and influential thinker is Leonard Sweet.
Sweet calls the word an energy The Bible teaches that God is “spirit” or “energy” (p.64). What he describes is metaphysical concepts for Bible terms “Matter is the energy of Spirit. Ultimately, all that exists is spirit” (p.59-60). “I am spirit masquerading in matter’s form....I cherish the illusion of being substance, yet I am as much the spatial nothingness of atoms…” (Scientist/soldier/conservationist/aviator Charles A. Lindbergh). Those who hold to mysticism often describe God in this fashion as Norman Vincent Peale explains, “God is energy. As you breathe God in, as you visualize His energy, you will be reenergized!” ( Norman Vincent Peale Plus the magazine of positive thinking vol.37, no.4 p.23 May 1986).
From what I have read in Quantum Spirituality Sweet does not begin with a Biblical basis for his philosophical expressions of reality (or the future reality we are converging on). Consider Leonard Sweets statements in his book “Quantum Spirituality” that describe a new consciousness surfacing and a synthesis of faith. “The emergence of this New Light apologetic is a harbinger and hope that anew, age-old world is aborning in the church, even that the church may now be on the edge of another awakening.” But this awakening he describes is not like any other- its emphasis is not a Biblical one. “New Light embodiment means to be “in connection” and “information” with other faiths…. One can be a faithful disciple of Jesus Christ without denying the flickers of the sacred in followers of Yahweh, or Kali, or Krishna.”
“A globalization of evangelism “in connection” with others, and a globally “in-formed” gospel, is capable of talking across the fence with Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh, Muslim--people from other so called “new” religious traditions (“new” only to us)--without assumption of superiority and power. One Caribbean theologian has called this the “decolonization of theology.”~ It will take a decolonized theology for Christians to appreciate the genuineness of others’ faiths, and to see and celebrate what is good, beautiful, and true in their beliefs without any illusions that down deep we all are believers in the same thing” (pp.130-131 emphasis mine)
Are we ALL believers in the same thing? I would more accurately call this a deconstruction of theology not decolonization (unless it means the same thing). Sweet then reconstructs- not inhibited to express the idea of inter-spirituality to his readers, because this is what the Emerging church is on board with. Hybrid religion is their answer to the changing church. It was Thomas Merton who uttered: “We are already one. But we imagine that we are not. And what we have to recover is our original unity” ( quoted on p.12 of Quantum Spirituality)
Whether he is quoting other authors or coming to his own deductions they all lead to the same conclusion, the truth is not contained only in the Bible (showing disdain on fundamentalism). We must reach over the barriers of separateness and embrace each others truths. This is the essence of interfaith and the new inter-spirituality.
On the Living Spiritual Teachers Project website "It may well be that the meeting of spiritual paths — the assimilation not only of one’s personal spiritual heritage, but that of the human community as a whole" (Ewert Cousins, Professor of Theology, Fordham University).
Sweet agrees, he writes, “4. An absolute faith stance can be shown to be compatible with the notion that truth is relative? 30 In Philosophy of Religion Society founder Joseph Runzo’s words, “To believe that your faith is best, you need not believe that only the beliefs inherent in your faith can be right.” (Quantum Spirituality- my emphasis)
Here Sweet is endorsing what some have identified as the precept that All truth is God’s truth; that truth can be found not just in Christianity but nearly all religions. But there is only one faith- delivered to the Saints (Jude 1:3). He even tells us that we can still be faithful, that “Christians to appreciate the genuineness of others’ faiths.” No longer is Jesus THE Way but has become one of many, as in theosophy.
What we are hearing is a presentation of a Faith that does not come from the Word of God but can be practiced separate from it. Some even take the position that the word of God is not the Scripture but the Son of God, even though Jesus made it clear when refuting the Devil, saying, “It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God’” (Luke 4:4) quoting him the book of Deuteronomy. It is written is Jesus’ response of what man shall live by, as He further said to his disciples if you love me you will keep my words, my commandments.
Sweet seems to make the point of the logos (Jesus Christ) being just one of many metaphors for truth: “Every religion has a “root metaphor” that gives it depth and substance. For the Chinese it is Tao. For the Indians it is Dharma. For the Egyptians it is Ma’at. For the Jews it is Berith or Torah. For the Christians it is Logos” (Quantum Spirituality)
Under the topic of Coincidence, or connection? And how light affects us. “Leadership toward the light is the heart of what it means to be New Light,” he then quotes a medieval manuscript on the Trinity and proceeds to say the “feature of all the world’s religions is the language of light in communicating the divine and symbolizing the union of the human with the divine: Muhammed’s light-filled cave, Moses’ burning bush, Paul’s blinding light, Fox’s “inner light,” Krishna’s Lord of Light, Böhme’s light-filled cobbler shop, Plotinus’ fire experiences, Bodhisattvas with the flow of Kundalini’s fire erupting from their fontanelles, and so on.53 Light is the common thread that ties together near-death experiences as they occur in various cultures.(p.236 This is quoted from Ralph Metzner, Opening to Inner Light: The Transformations of Human Nature and Consciousness (Los Angeles: Jeremy P. Tarcher, 1986), who Sweet quotes numerous times).
Light is also the experience that binds the whole new age movement together. Though Sweet has some negative things to say about the NAM he continuously uses their language, concepts and authors to present his new spiritual transformation of the church. He conglomerates all experiences of light from different religious teachers as if they are all the same and from God. Muhammed, Krishna, Fox, Kundalini’s fire are not the same as Moses’ burning bush nor Paul’s conversion. The others had a very different revelation- that is not from God. For example George Fox converted a number of seekers of new spirituality to the Society of Friends that was called the Children of the Light. To them, Jesus Christ was the light within that everyone had the potential to experience this “light.” 2
As the church we “are connected to one another within the information network called the Christ consciousness" (Quantum Spirituality, Page 122). Christ consciousness is a strict new age term (is used about 10 times in his book) and the concepts he is introducing throughout his book are decidedly not Christian. When you have professing Christians speaking the same language and promoting practices of the new age what does that make them? If you are promoting the same concepts in other spiritual practices you may not call yourself or even identify with the new age movement (new spirituality) but the fact remains, you have accepted its system
Sweet, who has corresponded with David Spangler quotes him several times (admittedly favorably) says this in his footnotes #86. I am grateful to David Spangler for his help in formulating this “new cell” understanding of New Light leadership.” New Light leadership obviously has everything to do with what the new age means by new light. Spangler wrote the book Emergence, the rebirth of the Sacred. He has a different Christ than the Scriptures. David Spangler states in his own book Reflections on the Christ, that “Christ is the same force as Lucifer... Lucifer prepares man for the experience of Christhood. (He is) the great initiator.”
This is a major deception. If you try to go through Lucifer-the light bearer- you will never come to the true Christ- Jesus of Nazareth who died for your sins. This is an initiation into the new age movement.
The Emergent movement is also ecological friendly. Many other spiritual practices are Christianized, it is not surprising to see Gaia Christianized as they leave the Christian religion for something new. After Sweet defines Pantheism and panentheism in his book Quantum Spirituality he writes, “New Light communities extend the sense of connectionalism to creation and see themselves as members of an ecological community encompassing the whole of creation. “This is my body” is not an anthropocentric metaphor. Theologian/feminist critic Sallie McFague has argued persuasively for seeing Earth, in a very real sense, as much as a part of the body of Christ as humans.” This is panenthism-plain and simple- he goes on to state we constitute together a cosmic body of Christ.
To become part of the body of Christ, you must receive salvation by the gospel, something the planet earth cannot do. Nor is the planet alive with consciousness as some surmise.
The Contention of Biblical Purists and the New Light spirituality
This is all about the word and a literal, biblical interpretation, make no mistake about it. This emergence is a liberal, mystical hybrid movement that is developing and growing before our eyes.
Sweet writes quoting “Alexander Solzhenitsyn, who used to warn us against Soviet totalitarianism. “Old Lights are revivalists of the old. Their movements are defensive in nature, often constituting classic examples of letting the dead bury the living. Old Lights include the resurgent fundamentalists in every religion who put a freeze on history and fortify their adherents against the “new dark age” in which they are forced to live.80 “Back to the Bible,” Old Lights shout; “back to the Koran,” Old Lights thunder. But not everything Old Lights say is wrong. Much is right. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day, the old adage reminds us.”
Back to the Bible is what Jesus told the Pharisees, back to the Bible is what the apostles tell the church. “That you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior” (2 Peter 3:2; Jude 1:17). One can say the same for his new light transformers, not everything they say is right either. In fact, I’d rather be right twice a day then not at all.
What really is Emerging? Unfortunately “Emergence” has been used as a New Age term and genre for over 25 years since the Tara center announced the new Messiah would be revealed to mankind. This Christ teaches the unity of all religions. He too is about experience, community and service. Some may know what they are introducing into the church, some may not- it really does not matter if it all leads to the same end. As stated in his book- “Quantum Spirituality is a hybrid work.”
The similarity of statements by Maitreya the New Age Christ are disturbing and should make one stop and think of the various correlations of language, intent, and meaning. Maitreya: “Wherever I look today around the world, I see the shining points of Light of my people, those on whom I rely. These beacons of Light shall bring all men to me, and thus the Plan will unfold. May it be that you will gather yourselves around me in this way, that my Light may kindle your flame; and so together we can transform this world.” (Maitreya, message No. 85). These are the people of the new light.
Sweet quotes apostate Jesuit priest Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, “But there are moments when this impression of transformation becomes accentuated and is thus particularly justified.”
Jesuit priest Pierre Teilhard de Chardin spoke of a new mysticism and a universal Christ who ... satisfies them all: that seems to me the only possible conversion of the world, and the only form in which a religion of the future can be conceived” (Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, Christianity and Evolution (Collins, 1971), p. 130)
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin in his book The Phenomena of Man (Sweet refers to) writes of formulating a Planetary Faith that explored his vision of the Omega Point and the evolution of consciousness. He said, “I can be saved only by becoming one with the universe.” Here is the new age experience and revelation of oneness which one can achieved by various means. It is apparent that a number of people already on the path of this movements agenda are bringing about a synthesis with the new age movement, the two streams have converged.
Sweet borrows extensively from philosophers and new agers, as well as some Christians of the past. “The Third Testament is thus no simple extrapolation of the First and Second Testaments into the future, but a divine inbreaking into the historical moment through which Alpha beginnings and Omega endings converge. The Third Testament is everything new about the old, old story. Or in Teilhard’s more mystical phrasings, a “descendent divine involution” combining with the “ascendent cosmic evolution.”35 (p.258)
“With the crooked lines of our lives God is wanting to write “a new account of everything old,” a Third Testament. This book has been breathed forth with the prayer that the crooked lines and cracks of New Light ministries, whatever they maybe, will become openings through which God’s light can shine. (p.259 emphasis mine). These quotes are only a fraction of what is said and proposed in his book Quantum spirituality.
This movement is not without its critics that notice that they have incorporated other religious practices and philosophy into the mainstay of their assembly. The emerging church cannot be categorized as just a movement - but a new way of thinking-which brings one to practice a new spirituality. It goes far beyond being a “new [kind of] Christian. They are practicing what they teach. What we are seeing is an intellectual - philosophical pursuit that stimulates the mind. A baptism into a new openness of spirituality powered by an experience that may even touch the recesses of the soul. But without the preaching of the cross it neglects the true spiritual condition and need of mankind. This is not leading people to the truth of their sin by being confronted by the gospel for salvation but instead pursuing a spiritual experience outside the parameters given by Jesus. This is all integrated in the church to reach the post- modern generation that does not see any one way more valid than another. It is opening the door to thousands to go another way. All this leads to is interfaith- accompanied with universalism. The Bible tells us there is a way that seems right to man but in the end it leads to death. It has been documented that 90% of the people who come to Christ do so in their teens. The youth are very susceptible to being influenced with other spiritual practices, many do not know any better. These are the people that are being drawn into the emerging church. They are Marketing a new spirituality to the youth in the church and it is working because so many are unfamiliar with THE NEW AGE MOVEMENT, THE OCCULT, and ALTERNATE SPIRITUAL PRACTICES found in other religions.
As Paul told young Timothy “Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.”(1 Timothy 4:16)
They are not questioning what they are doing, only what the majority of the OTHER (classified as traditional/evangelical) churches are doing wrong. There are no alarms going off, Their discernment is non- active.1 Cor. 2:11-14: “For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”
Do not conform to this world means not only to resist worldly influences but forbids us to adopt other religious practices (Jesus said He was the way). Finding our spiritual needs and questions answered by the Bible should supercede any worldly reasoning. Without it we have words and beliefs without any spiritual substance. Jesus said, “My words are spirit and they are life,” not the words found in other religions. Some obviously do not believe this and think they can find spiritual life in most any religious practice. They are trying to reach an experience by the natural mans spirit; by various other spiritual ways that are not of Jesus Christ. But the Holy Spirit cannot honor such ways. The words of Jesus have not changed, “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.” We had better believe this and hold to it despite the world making the way wider. “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber”. (John 10:1- the rest of the discourse is about those who hear only Jesus as their shepherd).
We have to adhere to the already revealed eternal truth, we are not to view these matters by the culture we live in, we must be the ones to bend and submit to what is PLAINLY written, not bend what is written to our “new interpretations” because the culture has changed.
If I were a new ager (which I’m NOT) where could I go to church to promote new age practices and tell everyone I'm a Christian and not have them suspect I'm bringing in the New Age practices or agenda? In a church that has NO discernment, that's where...
This is what the new age movement is about and this is certainly what the new spirituality is in the emerging church. The Emerging church is the new age movement; I see little difference. Sometimes hard statements need to be said: Don’t call the emerging church- church, if you practice other spiritual ways found in the worlds religions.
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Christian Youth gone wild

And I use the term Christian loosely here.
Our pastors need to start checking out what the youth pastors are doing.
Where the heck has discernment gone to these days?
To many pastors are playing fire fighters rather than preventing the fire before it happens.
Great article by Ingrid Schlueter

Multi sensory worship

For the record I want to state that I think our senses are a great and wonderful thing.
Most of all since God created them.
I love to hear and listen to beautiful music.
I love to taste the wonderful food God has provided us with.
I love to see the magnificent creation God has made.
I love to touch and feel the touch of my wife, children and hugs of friends.
Faith does come from hearing the word of God.
So yes our senses are wonderful things created by God.

But if I could not taste my food it would not be any less wonderful.
Many blind people can not see what God has created. That doesn't make it any less beautiful.
And as people get older our senses tend to dull with age.
Does that make God any less God because we cannot experience Him through our senses?
Paul and Silas senses were probably assaulted in a much different way when they were in prison and still praised God.
And senses can also deceive us.
How many times have you heard a noise and it wasn't what you thought?
How many times have you seen something and had to take a second look, and it wasn't what you thought it was?

I said all this to make this point.
Multi sensory worship is being promoted to your children now.
The root comes from the Emergent church crowd and Sally Morganthaler.
This is the crowd that teaches occult practices like Lectio Divina, centering prayer, and contemplative prayer.
And the Emergents got those practices from monks who used to beat themselves with whips.
Funny I don't see that practice being promoted.
I have watched the Digtal Glass DVD by Sally Morganthaler.
In my opinion it is very pagan and pantheist.
It said to me "God is in everything and everyone."
If your cool with that statement please proceed forward and taste the cool aid.
Here is a interview with Emergent leader Sally Morganthaler from Slick Ricks own website read the article and decide for yourselves..
Saddleback as well is promoting contemplative rituals.
Prayer Stations are now being promoted as well in various variety.
This has its origins in the Roman Catholic church.
If your cool with that please continue on. (PS I was raised Catholic and dont hate Catholics at all they just teach a different jesus).
I spent a number of years in the Word Faith churches where experience is everything and if there isn't something assaulting our senses God isn't there.
that's just a lie.
God is still there no matter how we feel.
God is there when we are sick and don't feel good.
God was with Paul and Silas in prison.
If you are saved God has promised He will never leave or forsake you. (Heb 13:5)
No mater how you are feeling that day.
don't teach your children experience driven methods like multi sensory worship.
Teach them instead the word of God and teach them to memorize scripture as well as practice it.
That way when the experience is not there they will still no God is.
One other thing on this topic.
Well number one there is no I in worship its not about us but God.
And these cute videos even though it may make us feel all warm and fuzzy takes us away from focusing on God.
So close your eyes, be still, read the scriptures, and worship the God who saved you from hell.

Churches closed for Christmas

I never thought I would see the day but here goes.
Great article by Tim Challis
When I read this article and listened to the apostate Willow Creek logic my stomach turned.
There is no such thing as seeker chuches (according to the Bible).
The church is to seek the lost by sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ with them.
Not by entertaining them.
The gospel of Jesus Christ is still relative today as it was when it was first written and preached.
Nothing needs to be added to it.
And nothing can be taken from it.
Point being its the churches job to educate believers through scripture to witness and practice their faith by going out and sharing the true gospel of Jesus Christ with a lost and dying world and then people are added to the church daily as they are saved.
Acts 2:47 "And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved."
The Lord added to the church daily that is so people in church could continue to worship a holy God in spirit and in truth and did not have to dumb down their services in hope not to offend non-believers.
If non-believers are not offended convicted when you play your music or teach the scriptures there is something seriously wrong with your church.
If unbelievers feel comfortable in your services something is wrong.
Should unbelievers fell loved in your church?
But they should be squirming in their seats as you praise and worship a holy God.
Go to Saddlebacks own website and see the goofy apostate so-called worship venues they promote.
Country line dancing?
Hula dancing?
Come on Christians wake up!

This is not of the Lord and not defendable scripturally.
We need to mark guys like Warren, Hybels and seeker churches and avoid them at all costs.
I'm amazed daily on how some can still defend the seeker churches and their creators.

2 Peter 2:20 "For if they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior of Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning."

The Emergent movement, Saddleback, Willow Creek and seeker churches are in direct rebellion with this verse of scripture.
Something to think about.

Wednesday, December 07, 2005

Merry Christmas to our Troops

Don't forget to pray for our troops many who are overseas and will not be home for Christmas with their families.

The Gospel according to Warren and Hybels

Great article on those twin masters of entertainment Warren and Hybels.

Tuesday, December 06, 2005

Prayers for Bud Press

Bud Press' father when to be with the Lord earlier this week. Please keep Bud and his family in your prayers .
Bud is the head of the Christian Research Service. A ministry that has exposed false teaching and new age movements in the church for many years.

Monday, December 05, 2005

The State of the Church

Here is a really good article on the current state of the church.
I would add to this though, a number of people are not currently attending church for a number of reasons other than being unregenerate.
1. Good churches that preach the Word are getting harder to find.

2. Guys like Rick Warren and Bill Hybels among others have been pawns of the devil in effectively bringing the world into the church. What's the point in attending a church that looks just like the world we are trying to escape from.
And unsaved people get bored quickly, that's why we also see the current trend of things getting worse in church instead of better.

3. Contemplative prayer,Lectio Divina, centering prayer and other New Age occult methods being taught in church. And this isn't just for the Emergent crowd either . This occult form of a quicky fix of God is now being promoted in main stream churches often masquerading as multi sensory worship and is being marketed to your children.

Experience driven just like Word Faith churches.

So when the experience goes people think God is no longer there.

When in truth He wasn't even there in the first place.

4. Swearing allowed and encouraged in church. Read the article I posted the f bomb being dropped in church. This is a thing with the unregenerate emergent crowd. They have even tried to justify it in scripture. This is a no brainer to me and it really hurts Christ and tears down His church. Plus you had better hope I'm not in the crowd. I WILL MARCH YOU WILLINGLY OR UNWILLINGLY INTO THE BATHROOM AND WASH YOUR MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP. YOU CAN BET THE BANK ON THAT.

So what do we do?
Study the word of God together as a home group.
Take a collection for the poor in your community as well as those in need in your group.
Stop supporting the mega business's we now call churches with pastors who seldom preach in house but have extensive vacation time and tour the world for their own glory.
Just say No.
But say yes to starting local fellowships with other hurting believers.

Saturday, December 03, 2005

New article by Ken Silva

New article by Pastor Ken Silva.
A very good read

Friday, December 02, 2005

Emergent Article

Funny but true article on the Emergent church

Great article on the Music of Worship

I found this article on Ingrid Schulter's site. I encourage everyone to download the pdf file offered here and read it. It is very good. For the record I do like contemporary music as well as classical and other styles. No matter what style you play.
Number one-Does that style honor Jesus? Not every style does folks-sorry.
Do you honor God by playing skillfully and work hard at being a excellent musician?

here is the article

TBN dumps Hal Lindsey

Im no big fan of Hals but this is a interesting read on World Net Daily.

More Purpose Driven Madness

Great article by Ingrid Schulter

Come for the Worship, Stay for the Sounds of the Islands...

Featuring Slick Rick and The Slick Rick Dancers

articles on TBN

In the past I have played on some TBN churches as well as on a show called Generation Worship which I believe is still in reruns on JCTV.
I have been utterly amazed at the hoops churches will jump through to be part of this gaudy unholy network.
Its all about the money folks!
Here is a blog link with a good source of material I found on Ingrid Schulter's site.
TBN is the biggest source of false teachers there is.

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