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Former drummer for Gary Lewis and The Playboys and The Coasters. Tim has also played with Paul Baloche, Lincoln Brewster, Darlene Zscech and Hillsongs, Jeff Fenholt, SteveCamp among others. Tim founded The Simply Agape Project in 2001 to get free Christian music to the troops. Recordings have been made with Tim, and friends Alex Acuna, Abe Laboriel SR, Justo Almario,Steve Camp , Jared Ming and some wonderful Independant Christian artists.The Somebody Brave CD also features words of encouragment to the soldiers from Pastors, Moms, Dads, and Lt Col Brian Birdwell a Pentegon 9/11 survivor Tim is married to Donna Wirth and has four children Alan 25,Steven 23, Brittany 22, Bethany 21. Tim has played in numerous churchs as well as shows on TBN. Tim has also performed on JCTV on the show Generation Worship featuring worship leader Jared Ming. Tim has a book published worldwide titled "Pass The Plate And Let Us Prey" (My Search For Black and White Christianity in a Gray Nation)

Wednesday, July 31, 2013

A night in the glory? With Dan Bohi

1 Kings 8:10-13 New King James Version (NKJV) 10 And it came to pass, when the priests came out of the holy place, that the cloud filled the house of the Lord, 11 so that the priests could not continue ministering because of the cloud; for the glory of the Lord filled the house of the Lord.

 Many of my critics seem to think it was unfair to comment on Dan Bohi even though I have listened to hours of his tapes and videos. They seem to think it was unfair because I had not seen him live. So I took care of that last night and went to hear Dan speak at a church in Columbus Ohio. Here is my report on what went on and what was said.

The service started out with about an hour of music. The band was actually pretty talented musically and had many different ages on stage from young to older. Some of the music was God centered some was man-centered. The thing I took exception to was the mantra style of singing. It was almost like contemplative prayer to get you into an altered state of mind. They would take one or two verses and just repeat them over and over again.

 After all that Nazarene pastor Rob McCorkle took the stage to introduce Dan. He stated that "we honor a prophet with applause" and than made a appeal to pass the plate. I realize this is how Dan makes his living so......ok. But the appeal was made for lots of money. That aside I have heard of hand clap offerings for the Lord, but not applause for the prophet. Not sure how Daniel or the other of out Lord's true prophets would feel about that. Pretty sure they would pass.

 It was stated in this meeting by Dan:   "Sometimes you need to throw wisdom out the window".
 However, scripture states in Proverbs 9:10 "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding."

 Then Dan called up anyone that had any make sure that 'fear' was cast aside. Yes perfect love casts out all fear but a healthy fear of the Lord is a good thing because it shows respect to God.

This went on for quite sometime, and then Dan talked about himself, and his ministry for a good solid hour. Dan emphasized all that he had done, and yes, he did state a few times, that it wasn't him, but God.  However, his statements focused mainly on himself. 

He made a couple claims that really stuck out.
He claimed a lesbian had come to one of his meetings and got healed but she didn't get saved. Now when Dan expounded on this, he stated the lesbian had said she couldn't leave and she didn't know why.

Im just guessing, but perhaps she needed to get the true gospel of Jesus Christ shared with her. This was not mentioned so I don't know if the gospel was shared with her or not.

 Then a 12 year old girl claimed she had been healed of the bad memories of being abused. He stated the child stated to her parents "I cant remember the abuse". She remembered the abuse because she mentioned it but couldn't remember what happened. Hmm?

Then Dan went into his teaching.
In my opinion, Dan does not rightly divide the scriptures. His speech was on 1 Kings 13.  Dan was all over the place with this. This portion lasted for about 1/2 hour.

 During this time as well, Dan took shots at a group I belong to called Concerned Nazarenes. He prayed that sickness would strike us so we could not type and that our hands would freeze so we could not type. (Hmm that didn't seem to work Dan maybe you ought to call out to your god a little louder maybe he cant hear you?).

 Dan, complemented himself often, saying:  "Im preaching good.".  Which I thought was prideful.

 Dan said he was preaching new truth, new revelation from some 'god'. But scripture states in Jer 6:16 "Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein."

In my opinion, Dan's followers are stating this just like the Israelites did. Dan spoke a lot about 'the voice', 'new truth' and 'revelations'. He stated he preached a 'new truth' in Farmington New Mexico. The emphasis seemed to be on Dan's 'new truth' and 'revelation', not God's written word.

When Dan taught, he called the scriptures 'stories', not God's Word. That was interesting.

At times, Dan seemed to point out that he was in an actual communication with God on the spot, and they have/had a lot of conversations. God asked him to heal in certain ways and Dan replied basically "Do 'we' have to heal backs or knees again?"

 I don't know if Dan was being glib or just carnal, but do we question God? Keep in mind the fear of the Lord is the beginning of all wisdom.

 Dan talked a lot about being slain in the spirit. He stated he was not comfortable with it because he is a Nazarene. But, he still  does it. He also talked about how he slayed a rather large lady in the spirit and she knocked down 2 others in the process with one landing on a DS's lap. With the DS claiming he had not seen power like this before. I bet he hadn't.

 I was sitting in the second pew behind some of the band and in front of a lot of pastors, so I could get a good view of what was going on. When Dan would lay hands on someone I saw him many times start with a finger on the forehead, then if that didn't work, he would place both hands gently on the sides of the persons face. And if that didn't work he would direct a catcher to go back behind the person and he would usually get a slow complimentary fall after that.

 I saw 2 people go down right away. The most disturbing part for me was what I witnessed when I was getting ready to leave. I wanted to go up and introduce myself to Dan, plus I did want to encourage him on his weight loss.

I went to where Dan was sitting, and my jaw dropped. A lady was on her knees, bent over, face down, hands outstretched, each hand on one of Dan's feet. This in my opinion, had the appearance an act of worship directed towards Dan.

I felt that this type of act should be saved for the Lord only. Dan was leaning back in his chair with eyes closed and a big smile on his face. He seemed to really be taking it in.

 He opened his eyes and held out his hand, I introduced myself and then encouraged him about his weight loss. I really hope he sticks with it. I then went back and introduced myself to Dan's wife who was very nice and polite as well.

 With the lady prostrate in front of Dan I thought of this quote Thomas merton once said, he explained: "It is a glorious destiny to be a member of the human race, ... now I realize what we all are .... If only they [people] could all see themselves as they really are ...I suppose the big problem would be that we would fall down and worship each other ". 

 As Dan pronounced sickness and our hands freezing so we couldn't type, the crowd roared with approval. This verse came to mind:

 Rev 11:7-10   "7 When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our[c] Lord was crucified. 9 Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow[d] their dead bodies to be put into graves. 10 And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth."

 Keep in mind when the rapture happens, we won't be missed. Also bear in mind, if the Lords glory hit this room last night no one would be on their feet. You would not have the teens texting like I observed last night when this supposed 'glory' came, or women talking quietly on their cell phones.

I will leave you with more of Dan Bohi's words: "Pastors don't invite me unless they are desperate for the glory".  What 'glory' would that be Dan? It's certainly not God's glory who is revealed in scripture.

2 Thessalonians 2:3a (New King James Version) Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first Also Eph 5:11-14.

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Thursday, July 25, 2013

Review on the Harbringer

Well folks I belabored through this very tough read and have come to the conclusion Im not sure what all the hubbub is about. First of all I want all to know that I love to read books and enjoy page turners of all sorts.
This is not one of them.
To put it frankly it is written pretty much like a movie script and it was just a very hard and uninteresting read.
The next task to get through in my opinion was the huge ego writing this book. Cahn has set himself up as a self proclaimed end times prophet of sorts and frankly I just dont buy it he comes off sounding more like a member of the Kansas City Prophet or Apostolic Reformation folk even though I am not sure he is affiliated with either group.
The content of the book was basically how America is under or will be under judgement.
The error here though (again in my opinion) is that America is already under judgement.
Our culture and the daily news pretty much spells that out.
The one thing I did take exception on in this book was what I guess is the presentation of the gospel on page 223.
It starts out with "And how does one become born again"? "By letting letting the old life end and a new one begin. By faith, surrendering your opening your heart to contain the uncontainable."
Now to be fair on page 232 it does talk a bit about Jesus and that there is "no salvation,except in Him who is salvation."
But again the gospel presentaion that follows sounds very new age-Rick Warrenish to my ears even though it does mention sin. I would encourage you to perhaps go to the library and check the book out and read those pages for your self and decide. Me personally I choose to rent the book from the library and am personally glad I didnt spend money purchasing the book.

I want to add again its no big mystery that America is already under judgement and its does not take a prophet of sorts to figure that out. The book also seems to come to the conclusion that America is the new Israel or on the same level. The Bible does not teach this as well as America is not even mentioned in endtimes scripture. Here is a good article by Greg laurie that addresses that.

In summation this is a bit from Tim Challis review of The Harbringer.
"Much like The Shack—quite an obvious point of comparison—Cahn displays the power of melding fiction and theology. What stood out to me as I read The Harbinger that perhaps was not quite so clear in The Shack, is that writing fiction allows the author to dictate his reader’s reaction. He can present a mundane fact and follow it with a gasp or an expression of awe as if the reader has missed the obvious importance. This is something Cahn does often and to his advantage. What seems like a great stretch in logic can be rationalized or given increased credence by a character’s excitement. It’s an effective tactic I hadn’t spotted before now. To be fair, unlike The Shack, this book contains a clear and substantial call to the gospel, definitely one of the few highlights and rather a rarity for a book that makes its way to the bestseller list.( I disagree with Tim's assesment on a clear presentaion of the gospel here but perhaps go to the library and decide for yourself)

It’s not that The Harbinger has nothing good to say, but that so many of even those good things are built upon a poor and even dangerous foundation. The book depends upon a fundamentally flawed way of understanding and applying the Bible, treating the Bible as a mystery to be solved rather than a clear and sufficient explanation of what we are to believe concerning God and how we can live in this world to his glory. There is no good reason to read or recommend this book."

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Tuesday, July 09, 2013

More On the Signs and Wonders Crowd/They are coming out of the woodwork

 Satan uses his supernatural “lying wonders and signs” to trap men into following him, while the Lord uses His miracles to lead men in a righteous path to follow Him. From the above verse, we see that men can be deceived into believing a lie if they are deceived into accepting lying signs and wonders. The Church is experiencing a lot of miracles at this time, but along with the true miracles of God there are also false gifts of power, signs and lying wonders, that are not of God. How do we discern the difference so that we do not get caught up in something that is not of God which could lead us into error?
 As Christians we cannot receive nor accept all miracles, signs and wonders just because the word “God or the Bible” is attributed as to being the source of those things. The Bible tells us in 1 Thessalonians 5:21: “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.”
 What should our role as Christians be in regard to acceptance of a sign, miracle or wonder? We are told to prove all things, not to reject them because they might be strange or new to us. However, we should not receive them either, until we first prove them. How do we prove things? All true Christians are in agreement that our standard is the Word of God, the Bible. God left us this Book as a reference, standard, or gauge so we could know whether something is good or evil, truth or error, right or wrong. “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works” (2 Timothy 3:16-17).
Here are some questions we need to ask when proving things. Does the sign, miracle or wonder line up with the Word of God? Is God receiving the glory for this miracle or is a man or woman being exalted? Can you picture Christ performing this miracle? Does the miracle draw attention to Christ or to the man performing the miracle? Does this wonder cause you love and worship God more? What is the purpose for this miracle? The Lord does not perform miracles just to exhibit His power to men. He does them for specific purposes and reasons.
This is demonstrated by the account of Jesus’ temptation of the devil to perform a supernatural feat so people would know He was God’s son. Look at Matthew 4:5-7, “Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.”
Here, Jesus refused to do a miracle just to demonstrate He had power. He called this tempting God. God displays His power, signs, wonders and miracles for His purposes. Here are some of the reasons and purposes in the Bible where the Lord demonstrates His signs, miracles or wonders. The miracles listed in the Bible are far few than all the miracle workers we have around today so it seems to me this is not the norm.
One reason some people move too quickly to accept the things they believe to be God is that they are fearful of disobeying Him, and thereby angering Him. They do not yet understand the loving and patient nature of our Father. The Lord never minds us testing or trying things to see if He is in them. It is only when we put God on trial that we do wrong. If we come to Him with a humble and sincere heart, wanting to know the answer to an honest question, He is more than willing to reveal to us the truth about the matter. The only time we will not get an answer from God is when we approach Him rebelliously, demanding an answer from Him.
Many Christians are hesitant about proving or testing things as they tend to categorize this right along with “judging,” and they have been taught they are to judge no man. Most of us are familiar with the Scripture in Matthew 7:1 that says, “Judge not, that ye be not judged.” If we look at only this one verse, and we are trying to judge a situation, we will feel guilty about making an evaluation. However, we should look at all the other Scriptures related to this one, so we know how we are to judge. Let us continue to read the rest of this Scripture:
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye. Matthew 7:2-5
Examining all these Scriptures, we see that Jesus is not saying we are not to judge, but rather how we are to judge. We are to judge mercifully and according to the Word of God. We need to humbly submit the thing in question to the Lord and ask Him to show us if it is of Him or if the sign or wonder is from the devil. We need to go to the Word of God and seek the answer in the Bible. If the sign is from Him it will bear witness to our spirit, we who have the Spirit of Truth within us will be able to witness to and hear that truth. If we are uncomfortable about a sign, miracle or wonder, this could be the Holy Spirit warning us to test this thing. If a service is reduced to a circus atmosphere with weird things that don’t agree with God’s nature, His gifts and His Word, it simply isn’t our Lord. Some things just don’t pass the test. 1 Corinthians 14:40 says “Let all things be done decently and in order.”

So we see another thing very much like the FIRE schools being promoted by Dan Bohi.
Another signs and wonders outfit with Nazarene endorsements. Notice on their about page this.
Power & Love Ministries was birthed out of the vision to see the Church of Jesus Christ catch hold of its inheritance to win the lost, as Paul says, “in demonstration of the Spirit and of power” (I Cor 2:4 NAS).
Why Schools of Power & Love?
It is time for the church of Jesus Christ to “come out of the closet!” We have the best kept secret of signs, wonders and miracles but until recently, they have been accessible only to those who might venture into one of our meetings! We believe that this is the season for Christians to demonstrate the gifts of prophecy, word of knowledge, and healing IN THE WORLD! We won’t be “arguing people into the kingdom” anymore…we will be demonstrating the love of God through revelation and power!

The plan is to hold Schools of Power & Love in cities across the US designed to empower you in the gifts of prophecy and healing as a lifestyle! These gifted teachers will not only give you a wonderful new understanding of power evangelism but then you will be “activated” as you “do the stuff” of the kingdom!

Why is NOW the time for Power Evangelism?

I traveled with Randy Clark and Global Awakening nationally and internationally from 2000 to 2007. During that time, we saw tremendous and numerous miracles in every country we visited. We took thousands of Christians from the US along with us on these international trips, trained them, and then watched them grow leaps and bounds as the Lord flowed through them resulting in tens of thousands of healings!
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Notice the key words "We have the best kept secret of signs,wonders and miracles but until recently,they have been accessible only to those who might venture into our meetings." end quote
Notice only they have the secret, they have the power. What an insult to plenty of Spirit filled Christians
Wow the Holy Spirit needs a piggyback ride to your church and you need to go get him from these guys? Trust me thats not the Holy Spirit and what you will get is signs and wonders but those of the lying kind.

Second quote
"These gifted teachers will not only give you a wonderful new understanding of power evangelism but then you will be "activated" as you "do the stuff" of the kingdom. end quote
My comments
Notice you need them to activate you so you can do the stuff. This is all very similar to the FIRE schools now be promoted by Dan Bohi.
Yes we all are leaky vessels which need the filling of the Holy Spirit possibly daily. But this bunch notice is selling a NEW thing. What scriptures teaches is not new and they would have you believe that we are not operating on full power because a lot of stuff like shaking , people jerking like people who have epilepsy, people laughing uncontrollably, and being being slain by some spirit or frozen where they cant move.
This is a familiar spirit not the true Holy Spirit of scripture.
Reader Beware

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