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Former drummer for Gary Lewis and The Playboys and The Coasters. Tim has also played with Paul Baloche, Lincoln Brewster, Darlene Zscech and Hillsongs, Jeff Fenholt, SteveCamp among others. Tim founded The Simply Agape Project in 2001 to get free Christian music to the troops. Recordings have been made with Tim, and friends Alex Acuna, Abe Laboriel SR, Justo Almario,Steve Camp , Jared Ming and some wonderful Independant Christian artists.The Somebody Brave CD also features words of encouragment to the soldiers from Pastors, Moms, Dads, and Lt Col Brian Birdwell a Pentegon 9/11 survivor Tim is married to Donna Wirth and has four children Alan 25,Steven 23, Brittany 22, Bethany 21. Tim has played in numerous churchs as well as shows on TBN. Tim has also performed on JCTV on the show Generation Worship featuring worship leader Jared Ming. Tim has a book published worldwide titled "Pass The Plate And Let Us Prey" (My Search For Black and White Christianity in a Gray Nation)

Wednesday, February 07, 2007

Hot Off The Press

I have to add to this AFA sells books written by Rick Warren, Joyce Meyer, Benny Hinn etc.. Tim is on a radio show with Brannon Howse who he partners with.
But yet on Brannon Howse's Christian Worldview Network website many of his authors such as Bob DeWaay speak out against folks such as Rick Warren.
So its ok to make money off Ricks books as long as you question Ricks theology?
What kind of hypocrisy is that?
And we wonder why there is so much confusion in the camp.
But I suppose you would have to close a book store if you stopped selling books by Christianity's false teachers.
You can also plug in the word Spiritual Growth and see the books that pop up there.
http://www.americanfamilyresourcecenter.net/e/categorylist.asp?mymode=2&cid=302442&c=302657:Spiritual+Growth&c1=Books&stc=302442&smc=302657&sbc=302659



Judge for yourself what kind of spiritual growth this will cause.

If you say you love the Body of Christ, but will compromise in order to make a buck what does that make you?

Here's Buds article.


AFA's Family Resource Center Continues to
Promote Emerging Church Authors and Books
Actions speak louder than words

On January 15, 2007, Tim Wildmon, President of the American Family Association, made the following statement concerning the Contemplative Prayer and Emerging Church movements, and AFA's online bookstore:

"'As president of the American Family Association I am stating, for the record, that we do not endorse the contemplative prayer movement or the so-called emerging church movement. AFA has an on-line bookstore that is computer generated and run by an outside company that services other Christian ministries as well. I have personally asked this company to block the words ‘contemplative prayer’ and ‘emerging church’ as subjects to search on our bookstore. In addition, we have also blocked certain authors'" (Tim Wildmon's response to his critics, emp. added).

As of this writing (February 7, 2007), it has been 23 days since Wildmon's statement. Yet, AFA's Family Resource Center continues to promote the following Emerging Church authors and their books:

AFA's American Family Resource Center
http://www.americanfamilyresourcecenter.net/e/Bhome.asp

Jay Bakker
Ruth Haley Barton
Rob Bell
John Burke
Spencer Burke
Tony Campolo
Steve Chalke
Mark Driscoll
Michael Frost
Eddie Gibbs
Pete Greig
Stanley Grenz
Alan Hirsch
Laurie Beth Jones
Tony Jones
Dan Kimball
Brian McLaren
Erwin McManus
Donald Miller
Mark Oestreicher
Chris Seay
Leonard Sweet
Dave Travis
Robert Webber
Lauren Winner
Mark Yaconelli
Mike Yaconelli
Youth Specialties
# # #

In the same response to his critics, Wildmon also stated that:

"'The only people who come to our website looking for books on contemplative prayer or the emerging church -- because AFA doesn’t promote these movements -- are people who are trying to see if they can find some ‘dirt’ on AFA and then put out misleading reports on their websites'" (Tim Wildmon's response to his critics, emp added).

But were these reports about AFA's bookstore really misleading, as Tim Wildmon states? The answer to that is easy to find; it is within the cyber-shelves of AFA's online bookstore.

There is a big difference in sweeping "dirt" under the carpet than sweeping up "dirt" and tossing it into the garbage. This is not rocket science. Actions speak louder than words. Tim Wildmon and AFA would do well to consider the actions of the Ephesian converts to Christianity in Acts 19:18-19:

Many also of those who had believed kept coming, confessing and disclosing their practices. And many of those who practiced magic brought their books together and began burning them in the sight of everyone; and they counted up the price of them and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver (NASB).

But beyond this, my son, be warned: the writing of many books is endless, and excessive devotion to books is wearying to the body. The conclusion, when all has been heard, is: fear God and keep His commandments, because this applies to every person. For God will bring every act to judgment, everything which is hidden, whether it is good or evil (Ecclesiastes 12:12-14; NASB).

For additional information on the Emerging Church Movement, please refer to the following articles at:

http://www.letusreason.org/current77.htm

http://www.erwm.com/TheNewSpiritualFormation.htm

http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/emergingchurch.htm

http://www.newswithviews.com/PaulProctor/proctor82.htm

http://www.understandthetimes.org/eca.shtml

http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=20420

http://www.christianresearchservice.com/EmergingChurch.htm

An Open Rebuttal to Tim Wildmon's Response to His Critics

Researched & Compiled by:
Bud Press, Director
Christian Research Service
http://www.christianresearchservice.com/
February 7, 2007
Jude 3

3 Comments:

Anonymous Susan Bertalotto said...

Hi Tim, thanks for hi-lighting AFA's inability to remove heretical books from their own website.

They sell lots of Catholic books (catechism; Hail Holy Queen-book about Mary; Rome Sweet Rome: Our Journey to Catholicism). Also Donald Miller's Blue Like Jazz; Rob Bell's Velvet Elvis, Anne Lamott's Traveling Mercies, Richard Rohr's The Enneagram.

If you look at the inventory in stock from day to day on AFA's site, you can see plainly that they actually sell these books, not just have them sitting on the shelves.

3:45 PM  
Blogger Kalev said...

I will agree that many emergent leaders are full blown heretics, Brian D. McLaren for example,(religious pluralism etc being the worst of his heresies), but the more conservative ones (theologically speaking) of the emergent people are not all that bad - there must be some rome for disagreement about some theological issues.

Best regards

10:30 AM  
Blogger Tim Wirth said...

Hi Kalev-
While some people who go to emergent churches may be conservative you still cannot promote the new age and the occult.
Dan Kimball who by many is considered conservative still promotes the occult ritual of walking the labyrinth among other things.
You just cant take something new agers and witches do that came from their camp, slap a fish symbol on it and say its Christian.
Most of the rituals emergents practice stem from the Desert Fathers etc..
The Desert Fathers got their practice from eatsern religion-not Christianity.
You just cant mix the two.
Let it be said though I have never went after Dan Kimball because he like Brian Seltzer.
I think Brian is a great guitarist as well.
Problem is Dan promotes the occult and continues to do so.
Thanks for your comments.
Tim Wirth

8:52 PM  

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