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Former drummer for Gary Lewis and The Playboys and The Coasters. Tim has also played with Paul Baloche, Lincoln Brewster, Darlene Zscech and Hillsongs, Jeff Fenholt, SteveCamp among others. Tim founded The Simply Agape Project in 2001 to get free Christian music to the troops. Recordings have been made with Tim, and friends Alex Acuna, Abe Laboriel SR, Justo Almario,Steve Camp , Jared Ming and some wonderful Independant Christian artists.The Somebody Brave CD also features words of encouragment to the soldiers from Pastors, Moms, Dads, and Lt Col Brian Birdwell a Pentegon 9/11 survivor Tim is married to Donna Wirth and has four children Alan 25,Steven 23, Brittany 22, Bethany 21. Tim has played in numerous churchs as well as shows on TBN. Tim has also performed on JCTV on the show Generation Worship featuring worship leader Jared Ming. Tim has a book published worldwide titled "Pass The Plate And Let Us Prey" (My Search For Black and White Christianity in a Gray Nation)

Saturday, September 10, 2005

Warren Bashing and tearing down the Golden Calf

Some people who point out errors in huge movements are often called bashers. I kinda like the name tag. Besides the fact I hit things for a living (Drums and percussion) I don't see anything wrong with tearing down a Golden Calf.
There is a differance between how and who you pick your battles with.
Steve Camp fights different battles than I do however some battles are the same. This goes for many other discernment ministries as well.
Those best equiped to fight the battles is where you have experienced things personally. Commenting from experience is often the best commentary because others can relate and it is taken from a insider point of view.
Plus I personnaly don't go after a big Christian personality that is still lifting up the name of Jesus and sharing His gospel.
I may disagree with Franklin Graham on many points but Franklin , faithfully, 90% of the times I have seen him on TV presents the gospel of Jesus Christ everytime no matter whats being discussed. Franklin always manages to get that on the air.
On the other hand goofs like Joel Osteen , TD Jakes, and Rick Warren seldom mention the name of Jesus. At least all of them had the opportunity to do so. The shows I heard them on JO and TD mentioned God but not Jesus. Warren mentioned God once but none of them shared the gospel of Jesus Christ while on the air. And thats when they have the largest crowd.
What America needs is not more goverment but we need Jesus Christ. America needs salvation through the saving blood of Jesus Christ.
And many of these big Christian personalities fail to use their camera time to share the gospel of Jesus Christ. Or even mention the name of Jesus.
Im not sure if JO mentions the name of Jesus in his new best selling book.

My final intent is to present the evidence in a honest and truthful way. And then let you decide.
I'm not asking anyone to leave their church because its Willow Creeked or Purpose Driven. In fact I go to a church that belongs to The Willow Creek Association and has been infected by The Purpose Driven Golden Calf.
I still go there. Change is always best done from the inside. Sometimes it gets to the point where we can't institute change and then we have to leave. I'm just not to that point yet. And even I do leave it does not mean that I don't love even those I disagree with. They will know we are Christians by our love.
So I've been preparing a series of articles (or rants) on why I think the Purpose Driven Movement is not of God but rather of man.
Men made the Golden Calf in Moses time and sometimes not everything is inspired by demons but by the flesh.
Lets look at what happened during Moses' time
Exodus 32:17-20
"And when Joshua heard the noise of the people as they shouted, he said to Moses, "There is a noise of war in the camp.But he said:"It is not the noise of the shout of victory, Nor the noise of the cry of defeat. But the sound of singing I hear." So it was , as soon as he came near the camp, that he saw the calf and the dancing. So Moses anger became hot, and he cast the tablets out of his hands and broke them at the foot of the mountain. Then he took the calf which they had made, burned it in the fire, and ground it to powder; and he scattered it on the water and made the children of Israel drink it."
The biggest noise in our camp we have heard the last couple of years has come from the Purpose Driven life movement.
Many have discovered that it is nothing but a man made golden calf.
Is Purpose Driven blessed by God because of its huge monetary success?
I will answer that question in my next post.
I also want to explore Warren and the PD movement very low view of music and its use in church.

I also want to explore how this movement as well as Willow Creek and other seeker churches have lowered the standards so much you can't even tell our fellowships apart from the world.
Im just going to present the facts here folks and how this move stands up against scripture.

Im not going to go after Joel Osteen to much because if you can't tell the differance between Joel and a motivational speaker you would hear at a Amway convention. Nothing I could post or say would convince you that this guy is not the pastor of Americas largest church -because in fact he is not a pastor at all.
Joel mentioned on TV that maybe God destroyed someones home in order to get them a bigger house. But then again this is the same guy who stated on TV that his marriage was good because his Victoria shopped at Victorias Secret. Thanks for that word picture Joel . Thank God this organization offers sexual addiction recovery classes.
This guy is really to dumb to even be called a false teacher or apostate. Or maybe thats part of JO's charm.
After you read the articles I will link and post you need to search the word of God to see if what I state is true.
You will also need to tear down the Purpose Driven Golden Calf yourself.
I can't do that for you.


Anonymous Shelley said...

My mother told me that she can't find a church to attend within a comfortable driving distance (she's 76) because they're all using the PDC model, which does nothing to truly encourage her in the Lord.

As bad as things are, I trust my Bible when it says that men will wax worse and worse. If Warren falls or fades away, two more will rise up, worse than he, to take his place.

Should the Lord not return for another generation or two (there's good biblical evidence that a generation is as long as 70 years, but that's another topic), our children's children may mourn for the past when 'you could walk down the streets of Boston without being shot for refusing to deny the name of Jesus'.

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