The Dark Ages Conclusion-What do we do when there is so much confusion in the camp?
I guess the simple answer here is to read your Bibles and stand by what it states.
If something conflicts with it, refuse to be a part of it.
My personal thoughts on why there is so much confusion is besides the obvious infiltration of the enemy through The Emergent church, Word Faith and many other fronts it has to do with money.
Many folks have been making a pretty good haul from DVDs, conferences, books etc..
I also believe that God is fed up with all these money changers.
If guys like David Jeremiah and Josh McDowell continue to sympathize with the New Age and Emergent church what do you do?
Josh just endorsed Dan Kimballs new book.
David still promotes contemplatives (new age).
David Jeremiah Continues Promoting Contemplatives
For several years now, popular speaker and preacher David Jeremiah has been showing signs that he is in favor of contemplative spirituality. In 2001, he was quoting Henri Nouwen in church services. In 2002, he had his endorsement on the back cover of Erwin McManus' book, Seizing Your Divine Moment. In Jeremiah's 2003 book, Life Wide Open, he favorably quoted several authors with mystical and/or New Age proclivities. 1 Over the last couple years he has publicly rallied behind New Age sympathizer Ken Blanchard and mystic-promoting futurist Erwin McManus, and in Jeremiah's 2006 book, Captured by Grace, he includes an endorsement by Blanchard and favorably quotes Henri Nouwen again.In this week's Turning Point (David Jeremiah's daily commentary), he has once again shown his affinity toward those who practice or teach mystical meditation (i.e., contemplative). His commentary called "Living in Harmony" is summed up when he says "we should all live in harmony." But Jeremiah's quoting of mystic Saint Thomas Aquinas in his commentary today is troublesome. When Jeremiah said "we should all live in harmony," he was referencing the apostle Peter (1 Peter 3:8) who was speaking directly to other Christians (that's why Peter said "brethren"). For Jeremiah to quote Aquinas as saying "How can we live in harmony? First we need to know we are all madly in love with the same God," is inappropriate because contemplative mystics, like Aquinas, believe God dwells in all creation (including all humans). We pray and hope that David Jeremiah will soon see the danger of contemplative/emerging theologies and rather than pointing people to this dangerous spirituality, he will warn them about it.
In Friday's email, Jeremiah stated:
This weekend, I will be sharing the second message in our Fall Journey With Jesus. The title of the message is "The Manliness of Jesus." I am praying that it will fire you up as much as it has me. It's a major paradigm shift from our normal thoughts about Jesus. This week, I have read a book by Erwin McManus called THE BARBARIAN WAY. In it, he says something that should prepare our hearts for the weekend message.While the quote from the book is benign, the book is not, and if any mention of the book is made by Jeremiah, it should be one of warning. If you have been following Jeremiah's slip toward what we might call contemplative/emerging Christianity, his promotion of McManus' book probably won't be too surprising.
This weekend, I will be sharing the second message in our Fall Journey With Jesus. The title of the message is "The Manliness of Jesus." I am praying that it will fire you up as much as it has me. It's a major paradigm shift from our normal thoughts about Jesus. This week, I have read a book by Erwin McManus called THE BARBARIAN WAY. In it, he says something that should prepare our hearts for the weekend message.While the quote from the book is benign, the book is not, and if any mention of the book is made by Jeremiah, it should be one of warning. If you have been following Jeremiah's slip toward what we might call contemplative/emerging Christianity, his promotion of McManus' book probably won't be too surprising.
End quote from Lighthouse Trails-
Another article concerning this was sent to me from a friend and brother in the Lord ,Ken Silva
EMERGENT CHURCH: DAN KIMBALL IS NOT THOROUGHLY ORTHODOX
Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. (Proverbs 25:26)
Sending Mixed Messages Even Though Well Intentioned
In what I consider a bit of an unfortunate article by Sean McDowell at Christian Worldview Network, which served as his review of the book They Like Jesus But Not The Church by Emergent Church Pastor Dan Kimball, McDowell writes:
There is little doubt that the contemporary church is in trouble. Statistics reveal an unsettling exodus from the church by younger generations who are “spiritual, but not religious.” Pastor Dan Kimball has addressed this disturbing trend head-on in his new book They Like Jesus but not the Church (Zondervan, 2007). Dan is a pastor at Vintage Faith Church and the author of multiple books on the emerging church* His book is endorsed by Lee Strobel, Josh McDowell, Greg Koukl, and other respected conservative voices. (Online source)
This is rather sad news because it now lends further evangelical credibility to the anti-Reformation which is now going on within the Ecumenical Church of Deceit of the new evangelicalism. Dan Kimball is often painted as being thoroughly orthodox but I’ll show you in Part Two that he is most definitely not completely orthodox and these other gentlemen seem to be wearing their hearts on their sleeves in wishful thinking, possibly because Dan is such a nice guy. O please, can we finally put this most ridiculous argument out to pasture once and for all. I have met tons of nice people with various false beliefs, some of which Dan also has, but in love I have had to correct them.
Titus 1:9 tells the minister of the Gospel of Jesus Christ he is to hold – fast the faithful word which is in accordance with the teaching, so that he will be able both to exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict. Now this necessitates that we actually know what this faithful word is and we therefore also need to know what sound doctrine is or we would never know when to refute those who contradict. If we listen to rapidly multiplying and emboldened Emergent fools like Brian McLaren and Rob Bell and Tony Jones we are told this sound doctrine has to reinterpreted in each generation. Right, as SNL’s ol’ Church Lady would say: “How convenient.”
I believe there is a lot of confusion coming from Brannon Howse team at Christian Worldview Network in what I see is wanting to have it both ways.
Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. (Proverbs 25:26)
Sending Mixed Messages Even Though Well Intentioned
In what I consider a bit of an unfortunate article by Sean McDowell at Christian Worldview Network, which served as his review of the book They Like Jesus But Not The Church by Emergent Church Pastor Dan Kimball, McDowell writes:
There is little doubt that the contemporary church is in trouble. Statistics reveal an unsettling exodus from the church by younger generations who are “spiritual, but not religious.” Pastor Dan Kimball has addressed this disturbing trend head-on in his new book They Like Jesus but not the Church (Zondervan, 2007). Dan is a pastor at Vintage Faith Church and the author of multiple books on the emerging church* His book is endorsed by Lee Strobel, Josh McDowell, Greg Koukl, and other respected conservative voices. (Online source)
This is rather sad news because it now lends further evangelical credibility to the anti-Reformation which is now going on within the Ecumenical Church of Deceit of the new evangelicalism. Dan Kimball is often painted as being thoroughly orthodox but I’ll show you in Part Two that he is most definitely not completely orthodox and these other gentlemen seem to be wearing their hearts on their sleeves in wishful thinking, possibly because Dan is such a nice guy. O please, can we finally put this most ridiculous argument out to pasture once and for all. I have met tons of nice people with various false beliefs, some of which Dan also has, but in love I have had to correct them.
Titus 1:9 tells the minister of the Gospel of Jesus Christ he is to hold – fast the faithful word which is in accordance with the teaching, so that he will be able both to exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict. Now this necessitates that we actually know what this faithful word is and we therefore also need to know what sound doctrine is or we would never know when to refute those who contradict. If we listen to rapidly multiplying and emboldened Emergent fools like Brian McLaren and Rob Bell and Tony Jones we are told this sound doctrine has to reinterpreted in each generation. Right, as SNL’s ol’ Church Lady would say: “How convenient.”
I believe there is a lot of confusion coming from Brannon Howse team at Christian Worldview Network in what I see is wanting to have it both ways.
Ken writes for Brannon even though this article was not listed on Brannon's site under Kens link.
Ingrid Schulter is also a contributor on Brannon's site and for sure Ingrid is not Emergent friendly.
Ingrid did fail to respond to my email questioning what she thought about Josh McDowell endorsing Dan Kimball's new book.
I personally avoid Brannon's site because of his seeming love for self promotion and conflicting information from his writers.
Why do some people not hold their writers accountable to preach the truth acording to scripture?
I'm not sure but maybe its-
You mention these names in a conference and your sure going to have a great turn out which means lots of money.
So are you going to go against the grain and have these type of personalities no longer starring in your shows?
Of course not.
Not unless you are ready to maybe lose everything.
You may have to get a job as a tentmaker.
And who wants to do that?
Don't ever just take my word for it.
Be good Bereans and check everything against Gods Word in scripture.
Last thing to remember is you need to judge for yourselves whats going on in Christianity.
1 Cor 5:12
"or what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?"
And another good verse to remember is-
James 1:7-8
"For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord;he is a double–minded man, unstable in all his ways."
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