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Former drummer for Gary Lewis and The Playboys and The Coasters. Tim has also played with Paul Baloche, Lincoln Brewster, Darlene Zscech and Hillsongs, Jeff Fenholt, SteveCamp among others. Tim founded The Simply Agape Project in 2001 to get free Christian music to the troops. Recordings have been made with Tim, and friends Alex Acuna, Abe Laboriel SR, Justo Almario,Steve Camp , Jared Ming and some wonderful Independant Christian artists.The Somebody Brave CD also features words of encouragment to the soldiers from Pastors, Moms, Dads, and Lt Col Brian Birdwell a Pentegon 9/11 survivor Tim is married to Donna Wirth and has four children Alan 25,Steven 23, Brittany 22, Bethany 21. Tim has played in numerous churchs as well as shows on TBN. Tim has also performed on JCTV on the show Generation Worship featuring worship leader Jared Ming. Tim has a book published worldwide titled "Pass The Plate And Let Us Prey" (My Search For Black and White Christianity in a Gray Nation)

Thursday, June 28, 2007

New article from Herescope

I am currently writing my review for Evan Almighty and Hollywood and Christianity.
Here is a new article from my brothers and sister in the Lord at Herescope.

The "7-M Mandate"

"Our theological bedrock is what has been known as Dominion Theology. This means that our divine mandate is to do whatever is necessary, by the power of the Holy Spirit, to retake the dominion of God's creation which Adam forfeited to Satan in the Garden of Eden. It is nothing less than seeing God's kingdom coming and His will being done here on earth as it is in heaven."
--C. Peter Wagner, letter, May 31, 2007, red added.

C. Peter Wagner is writing a book with the title of Dominion! It appears that everything he has been working on will be culminating in his forthcoming book. For several decades he has been the architect of many new heresies which have been widely disseminated and infused throughout the global mission movement, leadership training, and charismatic mass media.

Bluntly stated, Wagner describes this dominionism:

"Our goal, in a word, is transformation. The first stage in this goal is personal transformation because each saint must be prepared to do his or her part in the process of taking dominion. . . .

"Our assignment. . . is to help as many people as possible move their primary focus from self or church to kingdom.

"Which leads us to the second stage of the goal of transformation, namely corporate or social transformation. We want to see whole cities and regions and states and nations transformed to support the values of the kingdom of God."

There is a new motif for describing the transformation, which Wagner has borrowed from Lance Wallnau, who once had his own apostolic network but is now a member of Wagner's International Coalition of Apostles. Rather than use the term spheres for describing the elements of society which must be transformed by dominionism, these men are now using the term mountains. Wagner writes:

"In my view it is not possible to get an operational handle on how to initiate corporate action toward social transformation without taking into account the seven mountains or what I like to call 'molders of culture.' The seven are religion, family, business, arts & entertainment, government, education, and media."

These "spheres," now renamed "mountains," which focus dominionism's activities into different arenas of society, are based on the teachings of Abraham Kuyper and his theory of "sphere sovereignty." This influenced the Coalition on Revival's dominionist "sphere documents" produced during the 1980s. Some of these "spheres," and the corresponding dominionist plans for a revolution of society, are described in Al Dager's book Vengeance Is Ours: The Church in Dominion (Sword, 1990). Kuyper's theologies undergird the "worldview" movement, which is promulgated by the political dominionists and Reconstructionists.

In a recent action related to dominionism, C. Peter Wagner posted his new Global Apostolic Network online. Here one can see his downline network structure, which accounts in part for his widespread influence in the church. This global conglomerate will facilitate the further dissemination of the revolutionary doctrines of dominionism.

The Truth:

"Shall they therefore empty their net, and not spare continually to slay the nations?" (Habakkuk 1:17)


Anonymous Jesus is Lord said...

Couple of questions?
1) Did you come up with the title dominionism or is that something a group conjured up?

2)You use scriptures to base as evidence but you failed to relate the scripture to what you are talking about!

3)when Jesus the Christ (Anointed one)returns will he come back in rags or will he come back in the Glory of his Kingdom?

4)So then according to your "theory" we are suppose to live under bondage of Satan until Jesus returns. For if you rebuke him you have now taken dominion.

5)The "theory" of the dominionism. Is that they are to have authority over the evil one.Are to put him under the feet. And produce a God filled life.


If God is a king and we are his children doesn't that make us Princes then. Don't even the JEWS understand these principles. Oh wait the principles are Jewish. Sorry about that, So to further more my statement. What shall we say then live as poor as possible and suffer for Jesus because that is the way to live. But I think that goes against the scripture I did not come to judge the world but came to give life and give it more abundantly. Or the more famous one in Jerimiah29vs11 I don't think I need to write it out if you read the bible.And one more I can do all things through Christ(ANOINTING or Holy Spirit) who strengthens me.
Also If Jesus said in Matt28vs 19 to go into the world and make disciples of all nations
Doesn't that mean that the human race would once again have dominion over the earth? I am not a scholar but Dominionism seems to line up with the word of Jesus. Do people follow failure or do they follow success. Obviously Jesus was successful so I think that answers that. Life and death are in the power of the tongue that was preached by James. Give and it shall be given unto you good measure shaken together and running over shall men pour into your bussom was preached by Jesus
I think the answer is clear Thanks Tim I would like to be added to the group of dominionism

2:40 PM  
Blogger Tim Wirth said...

I will answer a couple of your more serious questions because I know what ever I say is not going to convince you of anything.
When Jesus returns He will come back in glory and have absolute dominion over evrything as well as restoring everything.
Jesus stated we will have tribulation in this world.
But we are to resist the devil and he will flee (doesnt mean he will not come back) in which we resist again.
John 14:30
Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
Until Jesus returns satan has been allowed to do what he does. Rev 13:7 And the beast was allowedto wage war against Gods holy people and to overcome them."
Its up to Jesus to make things right when He returns.
It is up to us to resist the devil as he attacks.But the bible does not call for us to take domionion so everything is ok for Jesus to return. Thats the Lords job and scripture plainly speaks of this.
Jesus is Lord thats false teacher Ken Copelands saying isnt it?
Many preachers and churches today are simply saying if you turn up to their church and go along with the praise and worship service, call Jesus Lord and give money to their pastors you will go to Heaven and live for eternity. Is this really true? Or is there more to being born again of the spirit and receiving Jesus than what these preachers and churches say?

Matthew 7:22-23
22 "Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'

23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

Calling Jesus Lord and doing wonders in His name simply does not guarantee eternal life in Heaven. To be truly born again of the spirit and to have eternal life in Heaven after you die, your heart needs to be close to Jesus. "Wherefore the Lord said, For as much as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, but have removed their heart far from me." (Isaiah 29:13).

I appreciate your comments and my comment was not pointed at you personally but rather the attitude of many who follow false teachers.
I pray you end well and glorify God with all you do.

3:15 PM  
Anonymous Jesus is Lord said...

I gave you the respect and read through your statement:
What I am gathering here is this if these false teachers as you call them were to give up all there possessions and live homeless on the street then they would be speaking the truth. So my questions this. I see your a rock star obviously you have money and that money was maid by selling Christian music. So then are you not also guilty of pimping the gospel for your own gain? Or anyone who uses the gospel for gain for that matter I could give a list a mile long. I see Ken Copeland preaching Jesus Risen and sitting on the throne I also don't see him preaching anything else but that besides having a victorious life in the Jesus. If you don't think that we have the right to take dominion as you put it I see it as taking back what the Devil stole In our life then the sacrifice of Jesus is bankrupt. The prophets clearly teach this. By his stripes you were healed Jesus owns the earth if you are truly in Jesus then you also own it for you have the Holy Spirit living in you.You can call people false teachers I could do the same to you(not that I am because I wouldn't). I mean after all you talk about being on TBN but your friend calls them the Heretics so thus because you performed on such a broad cast for gain or not, you too are now a heretic.I don't see any one promoting the gospel as a Heretic whether it be in music or on TV. I do know that you are taking the rev 13vs7 out of context Show me the anti christ that was raised from the dead. How are the Copelands practicing lawlessness. Again I come with the question did you and your witness go to them and sit and confront them on your evidence as described to do by the apostle Paul. Well enough arguing I don't follow false teachers I know Jesus as my Lord and savior I want people to have abundant lives so that they can also promote abundant lives to others who wants to follow broke Christians I don't no victory but defeat. You rebuke Satan and he comes back again again you are already defeated and he knows it. Any military person will tell you the longer you wage war then eventually one will surrender if satan knows he can keep coming back your already doomed. The truble is he is already defeated Colossians 2 14 15 states this. So what are you fighting for. We both believe Jesus is God and that the father son and holy spirit are one. There is no other way to salvation but through Jesus This is what the Copelands preach. but you call them lawless I will show you Lawless
Here is the false prophet false teacher you target people who aren't opposing you. And slander them as False because they have some money follow the link and you will see lawless. I should point out that Ken Started with $0.00 Dollars poor had nothing. Everything he has he owes to Christ he knows it and I bet if the Lord told him to drop it all he would God bless you Tim I pray that Christians no longer slander one another but pray for one another as we are to walk in Love. The Greatest command. Not doing that is Lawless

8:20 PM  
Blogger Tim Wirth said...

Both Ken and Gloria Copelands false teaching is a matter of record Im not going to debate that point because the Copelands followers really dont care about the whole truth or they would no longer follow the Copelands.
I was a rock star at one point in the secular (I guess if thats what you want to call it).But your stement here is uninformed and assuming on your part.
" I see your a rock star obviously you have money and that money was maid by selling Christian music.
I mean after all you talk about being on TBN but your friend calls them the Heretics so thus because you performed on such a broad cast for gain or not, you too are now a heretic."

I list on who and where Ive played to let people know I can speak about certain topics Word Faith being one of them because Ive served in those churches.It has always rubbed me the wrong way that independent fundemental preachers would critic the Word Faithers without ever sitting in one of their churches to see what really goes on.
I do not take a dime for playing Christian music. The music we give to the troops is free to them. We sell records as a buy one get one free so the person who buys one can give the other away hopefully to someone in the military. All money taken in is spent on more free CDs. We also send hundreds of CD's to the troops at Christmas at no cost to them.
I have never taken a dime from this cause and never taken any pay from any Christian artist Ive ever worked with. The money we raised paid for the recording session and paid all the musicians who played on the CD. Many of the Indi Christian musicians played and donated music at no charge to us. No one makes royalties from this CD except if we used another artist copyrighted song which we pay up front for.
This is all run quite differently from the way The Copelands, Paula White, Benny Hinn and the rest of those I consider false teachers run their show.
The Christian music industry is no different than the secular music industry so I want no part of it. Thats why we founded our own label. I work a regular job so I never have to charge anyone when I play or record.
Your statement "You rebuke Satan and he comes back again again you are already defeated and he knows it." Is sheer nonsense.
You are foolish if you think satan lets up his attacks on anyone. Or that anyone is immune to enemy attacks. satan even attacked and tempted Jesus Himself. So if you think he is afraid of you because you may say shandi randi tie my bowtie or some other nonsense you are deceived (even though I do beleieve in the gift of tongues even though I dont have that gift). Yes satan is ultimatly defeated the bible clearly states that. But if you think he lets up on believers that just nuts. If Im not under some kind of attack I always check my walk with Christ.
The Copelands make a mint off naive Christians who dont care how there money is spent making them bad stewards over what God has given them.
There have been countless expose's written on the Copelands reckless, ungodly use of your money, Im sorry that passed you by.
I do however appreciate your comments its a real lesson on how false teachers can deceive Christians.

10:34 AM  
Blogger Tim Wirth said...

PS The link and example you posted is right on but its a extreme case just like that of Jim Jones and David Koresh. The bible in Pauls writings state that false teachers will come in from among you.
Clearly the example you choose was not someone who was among us.
The skill of the false teacher is the ability to weave in truth with false teaching. Ive read devotions written by the Copelands that was spot on. Ive heard sermons by Benny Hinn that were great as well. This makes the deception all the more powerful because these folks followers choose to ignore the false teaching by simply writing it off as well their only human and can make mistakes.
But the false teachers never confess their false teaching as mistakes.
Ken Copeland believe we are all little gods.
If you really want to know the truth about the teacher you follow just plug in Ken Copeland false teacher into Google . It will take you to actual quotes from Ken and Gloria. Then search the scriptures to see if what they say adds up.
It does not.

10:47 AM  

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