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Former drummer for Gary Lewis and The Playboys and The Coasters. Tim has also played with Paul Baloche, Lincoln Brewster, Darlene Zscech and Hillsongs, Jeff Fenholt, SteveCamp among others. Tim founded The Simply Agape Project in 2001 to get free Christian music to the troops. Recordings have been made with Tim, and friends Alex Acuna, Abe Laboriel SR, Justo Almario,Steve Camp , Jared Ming and some wonderful Independant Christian artists.The Somebody Brave CD also features words of encouragment to the soldiers from Pastors, Moms, Dads, and Lt Col Brian Birdwell a Pentegon 9/11 survivor Tim is married to Donna Wirth and has four children Alan 25,Steven 23, Brittany 22, Bethany 21. Tim has played in numerous churchs as well as shows on TBN. Tim has also performed on JCTV on the show Generation Worship featuring worship leader Jared Ming. Tim has a book published worldwide titled "Pass The Plate And Let Us Prey" (My Search For Black and White Christianity in a Gray Nation)

Thursday, July 12, 2007

A Warning to Saddleback Church and others-Harry Potter is being promoted on Rick Warrens website


Source-Rick Warrens Ministry Toolbox
http://www.pastors.com/RWMT/article.asp?ID=316&ArtID=10674
Now first of all its important to note that Rick Warren is not directly promoting Harry Potter but James Emery White is under his recommended reading.
Here is the quote-

Recommended reading
by James Emery White

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows by J.K. Rowling. Though the seventh and final installment is yet to be released (July 21, to be exact), when it does, it will be well-worth reading. Though some would disagree, I am one to put Rowling's work in the camp of fantasy literature, along with Lewis and Tolkien, with her use of magic more mechanical than occultic. I found her earlier six volumes instant classics of the genre, and the final book will undoubtedly cement this series as among the best written.

Now for the record I don't know anything about James Emery White it states he is a pastor but that doesn't mean anything these days.
Also I want to state for the record that James Emery Whites statement above is a lie and deception from the very pit of hell itself.

Even though you have to dig for this it is on Rick Warren site so Rick should be accountable for what goes on his site.
This goes to show you what happens when christian businessmen like Rick Warren take on the role (but not calling ) of pastor.

Another problem with promoting this on Ricks site is that it provides a link where you can buy the Harry Potter book on amazon.com

Rick himself has not come out in favor of Harry Potter but I wonder if he thinks he can make some money by putting more butts in the seat at Saddleback or it becomes in vogue will Rick go with the flow?
Unfortunately for Rick, Saddleback and the thousands being deceived this is not the flow of Gods Holy Spirit.

And where is Richard Abanes in all this?
My old sparring partner and un-officio spokesman for Rick Warren has all but disappeared from the net.
Richard wrote a excellent book about the dangers of Harry Potter which I read and passed around to several friends back in the 90's.
I would really like to know what Abanes thinks about all this?

Face it folks ever since businessmen like Rick Warren are now running church anything goes.
The Harry Potter endorsements Will be buried for now until they become ok with the new Christianity and Im pretty sure at that point Rick will give a wink and hearty thumbs up to reading material that can put children into deep occultic bondage. Harry Potter is nothing like Narnia or Lord of the Rings fantasy it involves children learning witchcraft-nothing less.

Here is a letter from a friend of mine that I would like to share with you about this subject.
And hey Rick why not ask Richard Abanes how bad Harry Potter is. That is if you really want to know?

Here is the letter.

PLEASE, PLEASE read what I have written to you today. I never really understood what it meant to grieve the Holy Spirit until I pursued these things. Although I know it is a topic many Christians, especially pastors, have decided to either accept or simply sidetrack, this has become an enormous sadness in my heart for some time and I want to share my concerns.

My daughter has many friends in churches where the "fun and exciting" films and books of Harry Potter are being talked about as if they are as good if not better than the bible. In recent conversations with many, MANY teenagers she knows, I have heard the same thing coming from their mouths... that they don't think about these books and movies from a biblical perspective. In fact, the pastors often talk about them as if they are the greatest thing to entertain oneself with. I believe you know, as well as I do, that witchcraft exists. It is very real and the demoralization of our nation is becoming greater as the days go by because we do not take a stand for our God anymore. The reverence and holiness of our Father and the fact that our lives do not belong to us anymore are of little concern to many Christians, youth and adult.

Are we not to take each day as a gift from our Lord? Are we not to try to live each day as best we can... to learn and grow and become His hands and feet and Word for those around us? Yes, the world is evil and many things in it are bad, but when we pay to entertain ourselves with evil, is that not an opposition to God and simply something to honor ourselves? Witchcraft is a complete opposition to Godliness. Many Many teens and young children are completely enticed by the Harry Potter topics. Perhaps you did not know that the author, JK Rowlings has practiced witchcraft and the chants in the books and movies are actual incantations. Please take the time to research her background and the background of her material. She prayed to Satan to bless her work, and so he has, with not only our children but our pastors being swept up in the evil. We are to abstain from evil, to think on things that are good and pure and just and noble. Not fill our minds with the opposite, no matter how enticing it is. Sin is enticing. That is merely what it is. Some claim that the books help kids to learn to read and the movies help to expand their imaginations. Shall we also place porn or slanderous reading in front of them if it helps them? We can teach our children the right and wrong of things without explicit involvement in them.

Please don't encourage this any longer. If you and/or your staff are promoting this material, please stop. It is completely against our Lord and His ways and it is heartbreaking for kids like mine who choose not to take part in it when every one of her friends feel the material is practically blessed by the pastors. As I stated above, the overall response when I ask them how they feel God would view Harry Potter, they simply said that they’ve never thought of it from the bible perspective before. Please encourage our kids to do that. I encourage YOU to do that. Check your lives against the bible and try to live as though Jesus was here… because He is. I ask that you would encourage our kids to think about all the books and movies they see. To pray and to seek God and what HE would have them do. Please don’t sidetrack the topic of witchcraft and demonism in what they consider fun and exciting. So many do not even believe it’s real. Others do not see anything wrong with it because our pastors do not take a stand against it. It isn’t just innocent entertainment. It is the eternal souls of so many.



Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
Exodus 22:18

Ye shall not eat [any thing] with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times.
Leviticus 19:26

Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I [am] the Lord your God.
Leviticus 19:31

And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.
Leviticus 20:6

A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood [shall be] upon them.
Leviticus 20:27

There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
Deuteronomy 18:10-11

And it came to pass, when Joram saw Jehu, that he said, [Is it] peace, Jehu? And he answered, What peace, so long as the whoredoms of thy mother Jezebel and her witchcrafts [are so] many?
2 Kings 9:22

And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke him to anger.
2 Chronicles 33:1-6

Behold, I and the children whom the Lord hath given me [are] for signs and for wonders in Israel from the Lord of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion. And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
Isaiah 8:18-19

But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one: To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God. And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.
Acts 8:9-11

And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying: The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation. And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour. And when her masters saw that the hope of their gains was gone, they caught Paul and Silas, and drew [them] into the marketplace unto the rulers,
Acts 16:16-19

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Galatians 5:19-20

Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Revelation 22:14-15

Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
Exodus 22:18

Ye shall not eat [any thing] with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times.
Leviticus 19:26

Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I [am] the Lord your God.
Leviticus 19:31

And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.
Leviticus 20:6

A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood [shall be] upon them.
Leviticus 20:27

There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
Deuteronomy 18:10-11

And it came to pass, when Joram saw Jehu, that he said, [Is it] peace, Jehu? And he answered, What peace, so long as the whoredoms of thy mother Jezebel and her witchcrafts [are so] many?
2 Kings 9:22

And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke him to anger.
2 Chronicles 33:1-6

Behold, I and the children whom the Lord hath given me [are] for signs and for wonders in Israel from the Lord of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion. And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
Isaiah 8:18-19

But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one: To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God. And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.
Acts 8:9-11

And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying: The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation. And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour. And when her masters saw that the hope of their gains was gone, they caught Paul and Silas, and drew [them] into the marketplace unto the rulers,
Acts 16:16-19

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Galatians 5:19-20

Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Revelation 22:14-15

May our Lord bless your words and heart in these things.

Lynne

6 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have one big problem with what you are saying. You can take any book and YES even the bible and read anything you want. Good and Bad. Don't take away something that can be so simple and make it so difficult. Let the kids decide for themselves if it is a book that they should read. Don't avoid it at church, but don't make it evil. Tell them what you believe but don't take away their right to decide, that is a gift that God gave us. I don't see anything wrong with the books and my son does read them. But he also knows that they are not real and he knows that God is alive and kicking. And as my son puts it. "God is alive and kicking and screaming, but most of the world isn't listening. There are so many other things to worry about and that need our attention. Why waste time on a silly little book." That is saying alot, especially when it comes from a 10yr. old boy. My son has made me see things in a whole new light. And maybe if you give our children half the chance to decide for themselves, they will surprise you. Always let them have the right to read something and find out if they like the message they are recieving. I guarntee you that if they believed in God before, they will after. Maybe a little more then before.
Sincerely,
Anonymous

9:43 PM  
Blogger Tim Wirth said...

I truely dont mean to come off as insulting but are you kidding me?
you state
"Let the kids decide for themselves if it is a book that they should read."
This kind of attitude is whats wrong with society and Christianity today.
In my house Im the parent and I decide what my kids can and cannot listen to or read.
And I have all teens.
And you had better believe there has been war at times but Im accountable to God for my children and I take that very seriously.
Have I ever failed and compromised.
Yep.
And its even more of a fight when you give in and then you wake up from being stuck in stupid and have to change what you said was ok.
"A silly little book"
You have got to be kidding.
You really need to read the other articles here on this blog.
You also state.
"My son has made me see things in a whole new light. And maybe if you give our children half the chance to decide for themselves, they will surprise you. Always let them have the right to read something and find out if they like the message they are recieving."

Im sorry I really dont want to sound mean but have you lost your mind?
A 10 year old (and yes they can suprise us once in a while) has no sense of discernement what so ever.
Thats supposed to be your job as a parent.
This post has got to be some sort of prank I really cant believe this is a Christian parent responding here.
I would love to know if you go to Saddleback.
I really pray that God wakes you up so you would not be so very naive.
Peace
Tim

12:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry Tim but your attitude is what caused the great rebellion in the Church in the Sixties probably your generation. Did you actually contact JK Rawlings and ask her for yourself if she is an ocultic witch and maliciously put it into the books so that children would become possessed
as you are insinuating. If your going from scripture all books with wizards and magic should be baned and anything fantasy. So if your going to bash one then bash them all don't be partial I think that a women became successful and your a bit jealous maybe. One other point if the book was demon inspired why did it take 8 tries to get the thing published and published by a small publishing firm at that. I think that if Satan had an agenda it would have gone right away. Look at the Davinchi code that was instantly made into a movie following the Passion. I don't think you talk to people to get the correct info before you scandalized them on your page. witch hunts were inspired by a reactionary, misogynistic church. Whats in your wallet BROTHER.

6:04 PM  
Blogger Tim Wirth said...

First of all Im not jealous of how much money a women makes. People make tons of money everyday Christian and non Christian alike so that a nonargument. You are reading much into the article as well. There is no comparison between JK Rowling and a person like CS Lewis. If you dont understand the differance between the material it surely is your problem.
Show what information was given incorrectly as well.
Again the differance between CS Lewis and Rowling are leagues apart. Im sorry you dont see that.
Tim

6:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
Exodus 22:18
The difference between CS Lewis and JK Rawlings is worlds apart.
Seems to me all Are sinners and fall short of the Glory.
I think that if it wasn't for one Tolkien witnessing to Mr lewis he would be in the same boat as JK Rawlings even though I don't know were she stands.
My point is rather than you badger people. Maybe, and this is a BIG maybe. You should pray for these people that they wouldn't see the fire of hell. Unless you like to keep heaven for your self.

7:40 AM  
Blogger Tim Wirth said...

Every good discernment ministry is usually accused of badgering or hate speech as we point out error. Its part of the territory. My job is to inform people of how things stack up against scripture. Its the Holy Spirirts job to lead into all truth. I realize I cant do anything without the Holy Spirit.
As fas as the differances I mentioned these are literary differances.
JK Rowlings books are specifically about children being taught to be witches.
Thats the subject matter period.
Both Tolkein and CS Lewis feature the battle of good between evil. Rowling teaches picking the lesser of two evils.
I really dont see what a lot of Christians dont get about the differance in subject matter.
And Of course I pray for folks like Rick Warren and Benny Hinn as well as many of the people we expose here. It would be great if they got off their own agenda and got on what The Holy Spirit would lead them today.
We shall know them by their fruits.
And most popular does not nessicarily mean good fruit.I can show you many popular people that are not of the Lord.
Tim

2:38 PM  

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