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Former drummer for Gary Lewis and The Playboys and The Coasters. Tim has also played with Paul Baloche, Lincoln Brewster, Darlene Zscech and Hillsongs, Jeff Fenholt, SteveCamp among others. Tim founded The Simply Agape Project in 2001 to get free Christian music to the troops. Recordings have been made with Tim, and friends Alex Acuna, Abe Laboriel SR, Justo Almario,Steve Camp , Jared Ming and some wonderful Independant Christian artists.The Somebody Brave CD also features words of encouragment to the soldiers from Pastors, Moms, Dads, and Lt Col Brian Birdwell a Pentegon 9/11 survivor Tim is married to Donna Wirth and has four children Alan 25,Steven 23, Brittany 22, Bethany 21. Tim has played in numerous churchs as well as shows on TBN. Tim has also performed on JCTV on the show Generation Worship featuring worship leader Jared Ming. Tim has a book published worldwide titled "Pass The Plate And Let Us Prey" (My Search For Black and White Christianity in a Gray Nation)

Friday, January 11, 2008

Great article on the Emergent Church

Sent to me by Bud Press here is a great article by Roger Moran-

The Emerging Church movement calls for biblical scrutiny by Missourians
By Roger Moran
Missouri Baptists had their first significant encounter with the “Emerging Church” in December 2005 when former Missouri Baptist Convention (MBC) Executive Director David Clippard recommended a $200,000 loan to a new church plant in St. Louis, called The Journey. The loan was to “help facilitate a church planting center in St. Louis.” But the Executive Board, which approved the loan, was unaware of the issues surrounding The Journey. Soon, an intense debate over such issues as alcohol and the Emerging Church would ensue.

By the July 2006 board meeting, then-MBC President Ralph Sawyer requested that the board’s church plant workgroup investigate and report on mounting concerns regarding alcohol use among some church plants. The workgroup issued their report in August 2006 finding no evidence of alcohol-related issues at The Journey or among MBC church plants.

By the 2006 annual meeting of the Convention, Clippard declared in his executive director’s address that the Journey’s pastor, Darrin Patrick, was a modern-day Caleb and portrayed The Journey as a church plant model.

But by the December 2006 Executive Board meeting, everything changed: it was discovered that there were significant alcohol-related issues and that The Journey had a bar-room ministry in a St. Louis micro brewery for nearly two years called “Theology at the Bottleworks.” An advertisement for the bar-room meeting on The Journey’s website encouraged attendees to “grab a brew [and] give your view.” The Journey’s mission pastor stated on the church website that he and his wife enjoyed having drinks “at the almost secret bar beneath Brennan’s on the Central West End.” As recently as June 2007, The Journey’s website advertised the event stating: “This large and lively discussion combines cold beer and hot conversation on the relevant issues of our times.”

By January 2007, the St. Louis Post Dispatch published on the front page of the Sunday edition a story with the headline, “Beer and the Bible, it works for one growing St. Louis church. But it’s got Missouri Baptists hopping mad.” On March 4th, The Journey was featured on NBC’s “Today Show” in a report entitled, “Beer and Bibles: New Churches Lure Young Members.”

Acts 29 Network
But the issues surrounding The Journey were much more significant than just a bar-room ministry. It was also discovered that Patrick serves as vice president of the Acts 29 Church Planting Network, a group of young, Emerging Church planters that plant likeminded churches across the United States, many of which are Southern Baptists, and a growing number of which are young Missouri Baptists.

On March 20, 2007, Baptist Press released another article entitled, “Alcohol, Acts 29 and the SBC (Southern Baptist Convention),” which only deepened the concerns that were already being raised across Missouri, especially with Acts 29’s status as approved ministry partner for the MBC.

The founder and president of Acts 29 is Mark Driscoll, named by Christianity Today as one of the most influential young preachers in America, with over a million downloads of his sermons each year. Also known by his peers as “Mark the cussing pastor,” Driscoll pastors Mars Hill Church in Seattle, which he planted in 1996.

Stating that, “I myself swim in the theologically conservative stream of the Emerging Church,” Driscoll claims to be “theologically conservative and culturally liberal.” Regarding the use of alcohol, Driscoll writes: “My Bible study convicted me of my sin of abstinence from alcohol,” at which time he “repented” and immediately began to drink alcohol. Driscoll’s church website notes that the church has “beer-brewing lessons whenever a large group of [Mars Hill] men get together.” This would be in keeping with Driscoll’s view of Jesus, who, according to Driscoll, began His public ministry at a wedding, where He “kicks things off as a bartender.”

This past New Year’s Eve, Driscoll’s church hosted what they called a “Red Hot New Year’s Eve Bash,” which included a “champagne bar” in the church (ID’s were required for drinkers) and “bonus points” were offered for those whose attire was “RED hot.”

Driscoll is also founder of the Paradox Theater, a ministry of Mars Hill Church, which in its first few years, hosted about 650 secular rock concerts for underage kids in Seattle. According to Driscoll, “We have had only a few minor problems [at the Paradox Theater], like the Japanese punk band that got naked during their set for no apparent reason.”

Another concern about Acts 29 churches like The Journey is their “film night” ministries where secular R-rated movies are viewed and then discussed. At the Journey, four of the five most recent films that could be documented were R-rated. According to Driscoll, his church also has a film and theology event that shows “an occasional unedited R-rated movie.” Driscoll also writes that some of his “sermons on sex were R-rated,” and notes that he gives “warnings to parents and sometimes saw whole visiting youth groups walk out blushing halfway through the sermon.”

Another concern about Acts 29 is the issue of gambling. Damascus Road Church, an Acts 29 church in the Northwest, advertises on its website their “Men’s Poker Night,” stating, “If you’re a man, and you have 10 bucks, here’s your chance to prove your poker skills or lack thereof.” The church also sponsors a “Men’s Bible and Brew,” and a “Men’s Movie Night.”

With all this being said, it is critically important that Missouri Baptists understand that churches like The Journey, Mars Hill and Acts 29, represents the right-wing of the Emerging Church, which some SBC leaders insist that Southern Baptists should embrace. In fact, The Journey’s Patrick and LifeWay’s Ed Stetzer (who was an Acts 29 board member until recently) served as co-chairs of North American Mission Board’s (NAMB) Young Leaders Task Force. Driscoll was scheduled to speak at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary this month, although he has stated for the record that he will “not be drinking or cussing when he speaks at the seminary.”

The “left wing”
While Driscoll has been a highly influential player among the right-wing of the Emerging Church, Brian McLaren would represent his counterpart among those who comprise the left-wing of the movement.

In November 2004, Christianity Today, identified McLaren as “the de facto spiritual leader for the Emerging Church.” McLaren serves as chairman of the board of Emergent Village, the group that occupies the far-left wing of the movement. This group claims to have everything from a Texas Baptist pastor to a New England lesbian Episcopal priest.

McLaren has been strongly criticized within his own circles for some of his aberrant theological views. Driscoll has publicly stated some of his concerns about McLaren and other Emergent Village leaders which include: “referring to God as a chick, questioning God’s sovereignty over – and knowledge of – the future, denial of the substitutionary atonement at the cross, a low view of Scripture, and denial of hell … .”

Driscoll has been equally critical of McLaren’s call for a five-to-10-year moratorium against any pronouncements against homosexual behavior. Yet, despite Driscoll’s claim that he is distancing himself from the “Emergent” stream of the Emerging Church, he is a contributing writer in a new book on the Emerging Church with some of the same leaders from Emergent Village that he has so strongly criticized for their “liberalism.” In June, a “senior fellow” and a board member of Emergent Village were featured speakers at a conference on the Emerging Church hosted by Driscoll’s church.

Providing a glimpse into the theological underpinning of the left-wing of the Emerging Church, McLaren writes in his book, Generous Orthodoxy: “… I don’t believe making disciples must equal making adherents to the Christian religion,” arguing instead that we may just need to “help people become followers of Jesus and remain within their Buddhist, Hindu or Jewish contexts.” He further writes: “Ultimately, I hope that Jesus will save Buddhism, Islam, and every other religion, including the Christian religion, which often seems to need saving about as much as any other religion does.”

While the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship (CBF) is building strong relationships with the left-wing of the Emerging Church, some SBC leaders are calling on Southern Baptists to support and embrace the “theologically conservative and culturally liberal” wing of the Emerging Church – specifically Acts 29. They argue that our “kids are dropping out of church in droves … when they reach their 20s.” But churches like Mars Hill and The Journey, they say, “are attracting them!”

One layman’s opinion
If Southern Baptists could just plant more “theologically conservative and culturally liberal” Acts 29-type Emerging Churches, where people can hang out in a bar and drink beer, learn to brew their own beer, dance in “RED hot” attire at special church events, smoke, cuss, tell off-color jokes, watch R-rated movies, listen to “R” rated sermons on sex, attend secular rock concerts hosted by our churches, play $5 hands of poker with our church buddies while we drink our beer, indulge in the arts of tattooing and body piercing, etc., then maybe our young people would come back to church. Or better yet, maybe they would stay in church.

It should come as no surprise that people are flocking to “Missional,” churches like The Journey and Mars Hill, but we should find it disturbing at best that some SBC leaders view the Emerging Church as a legitimate solution to the problems of encroaching worldliness and carnality within contemporary American Christianity.

Equally disturbing is the failure of some to see that drinking at a church “ministry” and hanging out in a bar is the path that leads some to the rehab center, some to prison and still others to an early grave.

Likewise, isn’t watching sexually explicit R-rated movies the path that takes some to the pornography websites in the privacy of their homes and offices? (Let’s not forget that pornography is a serious problem among evangelical Christians.)

And isn’t $5 and $10 poker games at church the path that will take some to the gambling boats and casinos?

When “right believing” produces wrong living, of what value is our theological conservatism? Have we forgotten that the demons of hell believe – and tremble. One could argue that the great tragedy for those whose passion is to be “cool” and “culturally relevant,” is that in the end, we will find ourselves increasingly irrelevant. The more the church tries to look like the world and act like the world in order to win the world, the less we will have to offer the world.

But there’s another important question that deserves an answer: Beyond things like drinking, smoking, cussing, hanging out at bars, watching dirty movies, gambling, rock concerts, etc., what else beyond such “legal” behavior does the “world” clamor for in its desire to fulfill the passions of its sinful fleshly nature?

Have we forgotten the most fundamental of all biblical principles, that whichever nature we nurture becomes dominant in our life – that when we feed the flesh, the flesh grows stronger?

“Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness,” the Bible commands, “but rather expose them,” as we strive to keep ourselves from being “polluted by the world.”

“Friendship with the world,” we are warned in Scripture, “is hatred toward God.” And Jesus tells us, “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.”

But far from “hatred,” the world is fascinated with preachers and deacons and church members that look, act and talk like the world.

The Bible is clear that we are in the world but not of the world. Any Christian movement that assaults either the truth of God’s Word or our biblical understanding of the seriousness of sin, is a movement that warrants our very close attention. (Roger Moran is research director of the Missouri Baptist Laymen’s


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wednesday, January 16, 2008
Lititz Grace Church - More "Creative Church Advice" From Heretics
To My Dear Friends at Lititz Grace Church,

Your pastoral staff is attending this "Creative Conference" in February.

Check out the speakers who your pastors are not only financially supporting but getting creative "advice" from.

My time is limited at the moment so I am going to provide you some information on one of the "HERETICS" your pastors will be getting advice from.

Please take the time to read some of the well-written, accurate, and reliable articles about T.D. Jakes, a Pastor who denies the Trinity "HERE".

Do you really want your pastors to get their advice from men such as T.D. Jakes who denies the Trinity?

Don't take my word for it. Don't take your Pastor's word for it. Learn and look into these men and decide for yourselves if this is of good discernment for your pastors to attend this conference.

Here's a "CREATIVE" idea from Truth the conference your pastors are choosing to attend and compare it with "THIS CONFERENCE".

Below is a description of each conference directly from their websites. Compare the two and then answer our new poll question.

#1. "Creative Conference" - Join Ed Young as he shares the life lessons and raw truth you need as pastors and church leaders to realize God-sized dreams for your church. God has infused Fellowship Church with a passion for reaching today's culture in a creative and uncompromising way.

As we've grown in the last sixteen years from 150 people meeting in an office complex to over 20,000 worshipping each weekend across our five campuses, we've taken risks, made mistakes, and learned some amazing lessons. We want to share those lessons with you and help you take your church to the next level.

Each of our conferences is designed to explode your vision of what's possible in the local church.

#2. "True Church Conference" - No church will experience TRUE growth apart from the power of God. And God will not pour His power on a corrupt and impure bride. There is a connection between purity and power in the church (Acts 5). In the absence of God’s power, we are tempted to succumb to worldly gimmicks and man’s wisdom “to make something happen.” The result is a malignant growth that is dishonoring to God.

At First Baptist Church, we have been striving to be obedient in the area of church discipline for almost 20 years. Although far from “having arrived,” am convinced this practice is a key to the blessings of revival and growth we are presently experiencing. An unusual spirit of sweet humility, love, joy, and unity has been evident. A passionate joy for sound doctrine is seen everywhere. There has been an increase in moral purity, especially among our teenagers.

A steady stream of new converts is being baptized. They give strong testimonies of repentance toward God and faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. The weekly outreach Visitation program has averaged over 300 in recent weeks, and our involvement in world missions has grown exponentially. We are seeing significant increases in both attendance and membership.

Certainly any goodness or blessing we have experienced is all of grace. There is no explanation for this growth and blessing except the hand of God. John Dagg, one of early America’s most respected theologians, wrote, “When discipline leaves the church, Christ goes with it.” I believe Christ has left most churches! This is at least partially due to the fact that corrective discipline for unrepentant members is all but totally neglected.

Today, like Israel of old, we have become man-centered and pragmatic in religion. We hope in Ishmael instead of Isaac. Instead of carrying the Ark of God on the shoulders of the priests, we have devised clever, wooden carts that are more “relevant” and “efficient.” And, sadly, these often produce growth, but it is not true church growth. Therefore, we have a name that we are alive but are dead!

To lead this year’s conference, we have assembled passionate expository preachers who have deep conviction about God’s glory in the church. It is a special joy and privilege to have Dr. Jay Adams to teach on biblical counseling and its relationship to church discipline. This may be the last speaking event for Dr.
Adams outside of his home church.

We will never be perfect or have a perfect church this side of His return. However, we should give our all for His glory in the church (I John 3:16, Ephesians 3:21).

We must humble ourselves and strive to be obedient, that He might be pleased to bless us with TRUE growth that will expose the modern, man- centered, and unbiblical church growth movement for the fraud that it is. Let us say with Paul, “to Him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus to all generations forever and ever. Amen” (Ephesians 3:21).

Striving with you to build true churches for His glory and our good.

12:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Friday, January 18, 2008
Truth Matters - Promoting A Radically God Centered View Of All Things
John 14:16-18 (ESV):

16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, 17even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you. 18"I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

"Could it be that too many of God's true children, and especially the preachers, are sinning against God by guilty silence?...I for one am waiting to hear the loud voices of the prophets and reformers sounding once more over a sluggish and drowsy church. They'll pay a price for their boldness, but the results will be worth it." - AW Tozer

We at Truth Matters are concerned with the condition of the evangelical church. This includes the "gospel" message of "easy believism" that is popular today. This world is filled with millions of people (including evangelicals) who think they are going to heaven, but are sadly mistaken (Matthew 7:13-27). One of the things we have learned many times before, but this past year in particular, is that a preacher's method does affect the message. As Ligon Duncan stated at the 2007 PCRT conference, "You cannot use a method that is fundamentally self-centered to invite people into a moral universe that is fundamentally God-centered."

We believe that the prescribed response to the Gospel is that we repent of our sins and place our faith in Jesus Christ alone for the forgiveness of our sins (Acts 20:21). God reveals through His Word alone (Sola Scriptura) that He offers Salvation by Grace alone (Sola Gratia), through Faith alone (Sola Fide), in Christ alone (Sola Christus), for His Glory alone (Soli Deo Gloria).

We need to understand that the true gospel is a call to self denial (Lk 9:23-26). It is about counting the cost of following Jesus (Lk 14:28-30). It is about surrendering to Christ as both our Lord and Savior. We believe that our response to the gospel includes both that we repent of our sins and place our faith in Jesus Christ alone for the forgiveness of our sins (Acts 20:21). This involves an understanding of our sin, and our lost, spiritually dead condition. It involves an understanding that God is Holy and Righteous, and that His Just Wrath is upon us. Yet, He demonstrated His Love for us in that, while we were yet sinners, He sent His only begotten Son Jesus Christ to die for our sins. We need to understand that Jesus Christ died and rose again for our justification.

All Believers in Christ are called to be His Witnesses. Our Witness here at Truth Matters blog includes the following:

* to glorify God by declaring Jesus Christ in all His glory as the only hope for fallen man.

* to glorify God by testifying to the excellencies of Christ

* to glorify God by unashamably declaring the Truth of Scripture as laid out within the theology of the Reformed faith.

* to glorify God by contending for the faith

* to glorify God by calling the visible church to be obedient to true Worship

* to glorify God by promoting a radically God centered view of all things

* to glorify God by honoring God's revealed Word through the practice of Biblical interpretation and discernment

The goals of our Witness described above are challenging ones. As we pursue this walk along the narrow path, we do stumble into the sin of spiritual pride. Some of the comments we recieve here at Truth Matters blog criticize our efforts. Although the ones making these critiques misunderstand our motives, their comments typically come with some valid points. Constructive criticsim is always welcomed. Through God's Sanctifying Grace, our words will be more effective in reflecting the Grace, Mercy, and Love within our Lord and Savior's heart that He expresses towards this lost world, as well as His blood bought Church.

However imperfect (or offensive) we may be at times, our stand for the purity of His Church and His Truth must continue. We desire to see the visible church return to it's biblical foundation. We desire to see a church where the Truth revealed in God's Word is preached and taught in all it's fullness; where the sacraments of baptism and the Lord's Supper are prominant. We desire to see the church seek to please God, not man. We desire all of these things with the motivation of seeing God glorified, honored and worshiped in Spirit and Truth.

2 Timothy 4: 1 I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: 2preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. 3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 4and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. 5As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.

We stand with you Brother Tim!

2:17 PM  

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