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Former drummer for Gary Lewis and The Playboys and The Coasters. Tim has also played with Paul Baloche, Lincoln Brewster, Darlene Zscech and Hillsongs, Jeff Fenholt, SteveCamp among others. Tim founded The Simply Agape Project in 2001 to get free Christian music to the troops. Recordings have been made with Tim, and friends Alex Acuna, Abe Laboriel SR, Justo Almario,Steve Camp , Jared Ming and some wonderful Independant Christian artists.The Somebody Brave CD also features words of encouragment to the soldiers from Pastors, Moms, Dads, and Lt Col Brian Birdwell a Pentegon 9/11 survivor Tim is married to Donna Wirth and has four children Alan 25,Steven 23, Brittany 22, Bethany 21. Tim has played in numerous churchs as well as shows on TBN. Tim has also performed on JCTV on the show Generation Worship featuring worship leader Jared Ming. Tim has a book published worldwide titled "Pass The Plate And Let Us Prey" (My Search For Black and White Christianity in a Gray Nation)

Thursday, September 15, 2005

The Purpose Driven Golden Calf Part three " Making Church a business Part Two-Rick Warrens roots and Hostile takeovers.


Im going to share some links with you about Warrens mentors. And even though Rick Warren denies that Robert Schuller is his mentor Schuller keeps stating it publicly that he mentored Slick Rick. Warrens own wife stated that Schuller had a "profound influence" on Warren (another word for mentoring). And take a look at the Ladies Home Journal article Warren wrote
http://www.myfortress.org/RickWarrenLHJ.html
So here is one on Ricks roots-Robert Schuller.
Another of Ricks mentors is Peter Drucker.
Here are some Drucker links-first in Druckers own words from Forbes magazines and then some expose's on Drucker.
http://www.forbes.com/management/2004/11/19/cz_rk_1119drucker.html
Articles on Drucker
http://user.txcyber.com/~wd5iqr/tcl/drucker.htm
http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/04/community-1.htm

As we have noticed Warrens man made movement has caused quite a confusion in the camp which Rick and his Pomeranian attack dog Richard Abanes would both deny-do you think Rick and Richard could have read this ?

from encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com Plausible deniability is a political doctrine originally developed in the United States of America in the 1950s and applied to operations by the then newly formed Central Intelligence Agency The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). Plausible deniability involves the creation of power structures and chains of command loose and informal enough to be denied if necessary. The idea was that the CIA (and, later, other bodies) could be given controversial instructions by powerful figures -- up to and including the president himself -- but that the existence and true source of those instructions could be denied if necessary; if, for example, an operation went disastrously wrong and it was necessary for the administration to disclaim responsibility. The doctrine had two major flaws. First, it was an open door to the abuse of authority; it required that the bodies in question could be said to have acted independently, which in the end was tantamount to giving them license to act independently. Second, it rarely worked when invoked; the denials made were rarely plausible and were generally seen through by both the media and the populace.

Here in reality is some of the confusion Rick Warrens movement has caused.

http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/pdlresisters.htm
http://www.crossroad.to/text/responses/purpose.htm

The purpose driven movement has initiated some hostile take overs. But hey thats big business for you
http://www.exorthodoxforchrist.com/examples_of_takeover.htm

So what can you do to be a purpose driven resistor? Here is a website that will help you.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/187120

Most of all folks get focused on how God wanted His New Testament church set up/ Read the book of Acts. Contrary to the Urban Legend that the church was not meant for the saints but for sinners/seekers/unsaved folk check how God added to the church.
Acts 2: 47 "all the while praising God and enjoying the goodwill of all the people. And each day the Lord added to their group those who were being saved".
The church never has and never will have to lower its standards so we can entertain unbelievers and somehow trick them into Christianity. The Bible does not teach that even though Slick Rick does.
When unbelievers come through the church doors they should feel welcome and loved by us. We dont need mood lighting and cool music to make them feel comfortable. Maybe just maybe God does not want them to feel comfortable. They should in fact feel uncomfortable around the worship of a Holy God. Letting them feel uncomfortable will allow the Holy Spirit to convict them of their sin and need to be saved.
" John 16: 8-9" And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me."

Unbelievers will not and should not feel comfortable in the presence of a Holy God. So we do them a tremendous disservice by appealing to their flesh like Saddleback and many other churches do.
And yes many will walk away.
John 6:66 "From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him'.
And this was with our Lord Himself preaching.
Yes in many of the fad churches they may get a false sense of security because you got their flesh hopping with their own music and they said some sort of little prayer in the height of their emotion.
But its not real and as a church we need to protest this current trend to bring the world into the church.
We need to ask ourselves this question-Is our intentions to lead folks toward our Lord-or make a 10% commission?
Saddleback and Willow Creek have lowered the standards-God however has not.
Its the blind leading the blind.
And the ditch is deep.

Next article will be The Purpose Driven Trojan Horse and Rick Warrens low view of music.

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