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Former drummer for Gary Lewis and The Playboys and The Coasters. Tim has also played with Paul Baloche, Lincoln Brewster, Darlene Zscech and Hillsongs, Jeff Fenholt, SteveCamp among others. Tim founded The Simply Agape Project in 2001 to get free Christian music to the troops. Recordings have been made with Tim, and friends Alex Acuna, Abe Laboriel SR, Justo Almario,Steve Camp , Jared Ming and some wonderful Independant Christian artists.The Somebody Brave CD also features words of encouragment to the soldiers from Pastors, Moms, Dads, and Lt Col Brian Birdwell a Pentegon 9/11 survivor Tim is married to Donna Wirth and has four children Alan 25,Steven 23, Brittany 22, Bethany 21. Tim has played in numerous churchs as well as shows on TBN. Tim has also performed on JCTV on the show Generation Worship featuring worship leader Jared Ming. Tim has a book published worldwide titled "Pass The Plate And Let Us Prey" (My Search For Black and White Christianity in a Gray Nation)

Thursday, May 11, 2006

Is it time to Home Church?




Several years ago many people for many different reasons started to pull their children out of school and school them at home.
There is good and bad that goes with this.
The intention is often that folks dont want the world and its system to influence their child a large portion of the day.
I think thats a great idea, and if you can convince your child to read their Bibles they will be filled with so much truth through the Holy Spirit that most of the junk will be set at bay.
On the downside Ive seen many abuses of the system including parents who dont teach their children but just try to cram a bunch of info on the child the day before State testing.
The parent often is not home with the child and leaves them unsupervised which is really asking for a whole different kind of trouble.

Anyway this article is not about home schooling but home churching.
I dont know about you folks but I believe that this portion of scripture is being fulfilled even as we speak-

2 Thess 2:3 "Let no one deceive you for the Day will no come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition."

The great falling away is happening and I dont mean people falling away from church but the church falling away from the Truth of God's Word.

Recently I have been attending a church here in Modesto called "Shelter Cove."
The pastor and his wife are sweet and very nice people.
But folks, these days it takes pastors with discernment to help guide a flock.
The past month much to my dismay a man dressed has a Ghostbuster has been entertaining the children. Now again no personal attack on the man dressed as a Ghostbuster he seems like a very nice man but he is deceived.
The Ghostbuster pack on his back is The Holy Bible.

Whatever works is ok.

Is It?

(James 4:4-5 NKJV) Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. {5} Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, "The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously"?

(2 Corinthians 6:14-18 NKJV) Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? {15} And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? {16} And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people." {17} Therefore "Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you." {18} "I will be a Father to you, And you shall be My sons and daughters, Says the LORD Almighty."

These verse are amongst the hardest in the Bible and they are there for a purpose. It is very easy to end up in relationships or alliances that are really counterproductive to our Christian faith. We are heading one way and they are heading another.

Here is part of a email exchange I had with the associate pastor when I expressed my concern with him using a Emergent church tool titled Digital Glass. To set this up- my concern over Digital Glass emerged when First Baptist of Modesto junior high pastor Scott Ramsey introduced the DVD in one of his "Sanctum" meetings that I personally as something "to get our minds ready."
Here is the associates pastors email comments.

"In terms of showing or doing anything "to get our minds ready" I would have to say that this is something that we attempt do at Shelter Cove on a regular basis. Whether it be through song selection, a special solo, a drama, a choral arrangement or some other form of media, this can be a highly effective means for better appreciating God's Word, but as far as meditative practices, visual imagery contemplation, chanting, or other forms of mind altering experiences, I believe they should each be avoided at all costs. I greatly appreciate your concern and watchcare over our congregation and gladly welcome any additional information that could help to preserve what God is desiring to do in our midst. I also appreciate your recent involvement on our platform as a worshipper/drummer. " end of quote

Let me point out that his comments contradict themselves.
Digital Glass is a tool using visual imagery contemplation and attempts to alter the mind.

And with all this use of the worlds methods ,promoted by such apostate men such as Bill Hybels and Rick Warren.


Where is the Holy Spirit in all this?
I have nothing against a large portion of music styles, choral arangements used within a church service but we need to leave it up to the Holy Spirit to move as He will in the congregation to get hearts and minds ready.
We dont need to dim the lights at certain points of the service or use props.
That shows a tremendous lack of trust in what The Holy Spirit can and will do.
He does not need our help to save souls and turn people toward Jesus which is a sovereign move of God anyway.
Our part is to preach the Word and then let the Living Word of God do what it has done for centuries.

Using wordly methods sold to pastors by Willow Creek and Saddleback will produce fleshy fruit.

Weak Christians. Women who dress immodestly. And Im talking about ladies who have been in church for a long time not new Christian. Most unsaved people still think they need to dress nice and modestly when in church. Its the saved Christians who set the bad example.

All this is fruit from using materials sold by Willow Creek and Saddleback.

Are you getting tired out there of having people agree whole heartedly with you and shake their heads up and down and then go do the opposite of how you cautioned them?
I recently had a discussion with the praise team and cautioned about putting on a show.
Recently the singers have began making a entrance on to the stage.
Thats the reason I voiced concern.
(And if you dont know why this is wrong you should not be playing worship music)
Everyone agreed.
The entrance and the show continues to go on.

2Thess 2:11 And for this reason God will send then strong delusion,that they should believe the lie.
The lie is being promoted full bore through guys like Rick Warren, Bill Hybels and their huge networks.
(Bono preaching at Willow Creek its time some of you out there get a clue-quick)

Well is the solution to start Home churching?
Maybe.
Im really not sure because there are some good churches out there that do not endorse apostate methods.
Where they are Im not sure but Ive heard rumors of them being out there.

And as a point of caution read this article.
http://procinwarn.com/housech.htm

Instead of Ghostbusters why not dress up as one of the many Bible heroes we have?
Why mix the world with God which pure and simply is sin and evil.

Unsaved seekers should always feel uncomfortable in the presence of a Holy God.

Biblical methods will not pack your church build bigger buildings or drive pastors and staff salaries upward.

But seeking the Holy Spirit through Gods Word will establish a church grounded on Jesus Christ and fruit that will last.

It may not be as fun as Ghostbusters and throbbing lights.

But its the right thing to do.


Something to think about.

2 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

you stated the following:

"Several years ago many people for many different reasons started to pull their children out of school and school them at home.
There is good and bad that goes with this.
The intention is often that folks dont want the world and its system to influence their child a large portion of the day.
I think thats a great idea, and if you can convince your child to read their Bibles they will be filled with so much truth through the Holy Spirit that most of the junk will be set at bay.
On the downside Ive seen many abuses of the system including parents who dont teach their children but just try to cram a bunch of info on the child the day before State testing.
The parent often is not home with the child and leaves them unsupervised which is really asking for a whole different kind of trouble"

i realize that you did not intend for this post to be about home education but as a home educating parent i believe there are a few things i need to point out to you...i will give you the benefit of the doubt w/your personal experiences with home educating...however - some of us who home educate do so for many different reasons

my wife and i began home educating six years ago when all other options for my eldest son - who has aspberger's syndrome (essentially he is what's known as a 'high functioning' autistic) - had been exhausted...we now home educate both of our sons b/c we want them to have a classical education that will prepare them in a way that their peers are not being prepared...through our local church as well as sports and our local home school cooperative they receive all the socialization they could ever want or desire (nevermind the fact that i wouldn't want them being 'socialized' by the hooligans at the local school!)

my admonition to you is to not paint w/too broad of a brush when discussing homeschooling - especially when you are considering home churching

SMG

4:20 PM  
Blogger Tim Wirth said...

Hi: Thanks for your comments-
Anyone can abuse any system that is set up.
I do not have anything against home schooling at all.
Outcome based education has invaded our schools across the country as standards for our children continue to be lowered.
I went to private Catholic school and high school and got a great education.
However Im well aware of the fact that our public education system in many areas is a mess.
Again the post was not a stament on home schooling which I think is a great idea if you spend the time with your kids.
Thanks again for your comment.
Tim Wirth

5:51 PM  

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