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Sunday, September 17, 2006

Purpose Driven Deception Part Five-Rick Warrens Bible and his music

From Richard Abanes booklet "Rick Warren and The Purpose that Drives Him" page 38.


'"In fact, he wanted to be a guitar playing rock star. If anyone would have told him as a teenager that in less than 20 years he would be pastoring one of Americas largest churches, he would have told them, "You're crazy!" He had "no intention of being a pastor."

On Sunday, April 17, 2005 Speaking before 30,000 at Angel Stadium in Anaheim, he announced his Global Peace Plan. He believes it will herald in a new worldwide spiritual awakening in the 21st century.

But before he made the announcement, he decided to have some fun and surprised the audience when he said, I've always wanted to do in this stadium He then sang an impersonation of Jimi Hendrix's hit song, Purple Haze. As the audience erupted into laughter, the church band joined in playing back up to it. http://www.assistnews.net/Stories/s05040087.htm

Purple Haze is a song by Jimi Hendrix from his album “Are you experienced? (about a LSD trip).

The lyrics go like this: Purple haze all in my brain Lately things just don't seem the same Actin' funny, but I don't know why 'Scuse me while I kiss the sky. Purple haze all around Don't know if I'm comin' up or down Am I happy or in misery? Whatever it is that girl put a spell on me. Purple haze all in my eyes Don't know if it's day or night, You got me blowin', blowin' my mind Is it tomorrow, or just the end of time?

Frankly I find the song quite revealing and fitting for what Warren has been doing. Sometimes God shows us what is under the surface. Amazing that people would approve of this as he launched his plan to change the world. From Mike Oppenheimer At Let Us Reason website.
(More about Rick Warrens PEACE plan in a later post)



I want to state that I really love music and I am a drummer and a percussionist.
I to ,like Warren had ambitions of being a rock star and I had some success in both the secular and Christian music worlds.
So I understand the drive and ambition musicians (sans Warren here of course) go through.
After being saved in 1994 I was really really suprised (and pleased at the time)that Christian worship was put together that exact same way I played music back in the secular world.
You start out big usually with a uptempo song with lots of bang and emotion.
After keeping the tempo up and using lots of effects (lighting flash pots etc..) to create the mood you slow things down for a couple of songs.
You then end with a bang.
Now in Christian services after the slow songs they usually bring the message after the slow songs so it gives everyone a chance to settle down.
Praise and Worship so called services have copied the world to the tee because they know it will work.
Because its what people are used to back before they were saved.

But what does Gods word state about Rick Warrens religion?

Eph 4:22-25 "That ye put off the old man, whic is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind.
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness."

This single verse tears down everything Rick Warren and Purpose Driven religion stand for.
Rick teaches you can have your cake and eat it to.
The Bible however teach's the opposite.

Rick false religion and false teaching appeal to the flesh thats why it has been so welcome and succesfull in the secular corporate world and other religions.
Rick Warren is one of the reasons pastors are now calling themselves CEO's imitating the world.
What does the Bible teach about imitating the worlds ways?

1 John 2:15 "Love not the world, nether the things that are in the world. If any man loves the world. the love of the Father is not in him."

Rick Warren from pastors.com
"In every church there are the "E. F. Huttons: "When they speak, everybody listens!" Often they have no elected position. But they are the legitimizers in that church. In a small church, you need to find out who are the E. F. Huttons.


How do you know if they are the E. F. Huttons? They're often the people who are teased the most. Its an interesting little phenomenon. When they tell a joke everybody laughs. When there's a decision to be made and somebody says something, everyone looks to see how the legitimizer is going to react.


You need to be perceptive of these people in your church. Find out who the legitimizers are; the ones who are willing to go for change. Find these people and start pouring your life into them. Build your vision in them. Love everybody but move with the movers."

Notice that Rick didnt say "Find your Peter and Pauls.
No that would sound to biblical.
Who Is EF Hutton?

This is from Wikpedia-
"E. F. Hutton & Co. was an American stock brokerage firm founded in 1904 by Edward Francis Hutton, his brother Franklyn Laws Hutton, and Gerald M. Loeb. Under their leadership, it became one of the most respected financial firms in the United States and for several decades was the second largest brokerage firm in the United States.

The brokerage house was the prinicipal component of what grew into a conglomerate of companies owned by E. F. Hutton Group Inc., listed on the NYSE. Other subsidiaries of that Delaware-chartered holding company were E. F. Hutton Trust Company (now "Smith Barney Corporate Trust Company" and owned by Citigroup), E. F. Hutton Life Insurance Company, and E. F. Hutton Bank. The Hutton companies also managed many mutual funds and other investment vehicles, some of which were separately incorporated and/or registered, and participated actively in corporate mergers and public offerings of securities. The firm was best known for its commercials based on the phrase, "When E. F. Hutton talks, people listen."

Francis Hutton died in 1962 and years later in the 1980s, the conglomerate disintegrated due to corporate misconduct, mostly by the brokerage firm. The firm had knowingly engaged in money laundering for organized crime (the so-called "Pizza Connection" because money was sometimes delivered in pizza boxes, see External link) and other unlawful groups (including the "Iran-Contra Affair"). It was not until after the president of the brokerage firm, Scott Pierce (the brother of Barbara Bush, wife of the then-vice-president of the U.S.), entered his corporation's guilty plea to 2000 criminal counts of federal mail and wire fraud in 1985, that the Hutton conglomerate fell apart. The Firm was sold to Shearson Lehman/American Express, to form Shearson Lehman Hutton. In 1993, acknowledging that it had failed to create the country's first financial services supermarket, American Express sold Shearson and Hutton retail brokerage operations to Sandy Weill's Primerica. The following year, American Express spun-off Lehman Brothers, forming Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., a separately traded public corporation.

The criminal "check-kiting" involved fraud on Hutton's brokerage clients and the banks where it did business: When Hutton was supposed to send money to a brokerage customer from that customer's account, Hutton would draw a check on a bank account on the other side of the country from the customer and mail it; Hutton would not deposit the money to "cover" the check until days later, usually after it had already "cleared". Thus, Hutton was, in effect, getting short-term loans (termed "the float") from the banks for free and forcing the banks to make those loans by threatening not to keep its accounts with them if they did not. The value of the unpaid "interest" on those forced "loans" amounted to many millions of dollars and made a significant addition to Hutton's "bottom line"."
What would you rather have in your church leadership.
Pauls and Peters or EF Huttons. In spite of how they move and shake.
(Yea Rick likes those hula dancers)

Now Rick own Bible "The Purpose Driven Church" states on the cover

GROWTH WITHOUT COMPROMISING YOUR MESSAGE & MISSION
This may be true only if your message has nothing to do with Jesus Christ and scripture.
Because this all this book offers is compromise.

Now do I love music?
Of course I do and I like contempory music as well. But there is a time and a place for everything.
And lets not mistake hyped up emotions with the presence of God.

Rick Warren as well believes God is limited to act in your church based on the music style of your church.

In Ricks own words from an article he wrote on pastorport.com. Rick parrots the heresy he writes in Purpose Driven church.
"The style of music you choose to use in your services will be one of the most critical (and controversial!) decisions you make in the life of your church. It may be THE most influential factor in determining who your church reaches for Christ and whether or not your church grows. You must match your music to the kind of people God wants your church to reach.

The music you use positionsÂyour church in your community. It defines who you are. Once you have decided on the style of music youre going to use in worship you have set the direction of your church in far more ways than you realize. It will determine the kind of people you attract, the kind of people you keep, and the kind of people you lose.

Match your music to the kind of people God wants your church to reach.
If you were to tell me the kind of music you are currently using in your services I could easily describe the kind of people you are reaching, without even visiting your church. I could also tell you the kind of people your church will never be able to reach.

I reject the idea that music styles can be judged as either good or bad music. Who decides this? The kind of music you like is determined by your background and culture. Certain tones and scales sound pleasant to Asian ears. Other tones and scales sound pleasant to Middle Eastern ears. Africans enjoy different rhythms than South Americans.

To insist that all good music was written in Europe two hundred years ago is cultural elitism. There certainly isn’t any biblical basis for that view. Depending on where you grew up you may love Kentucky Bluegrass, Dixieland Jazz, Chicago Blues, Milwaukee Polka, or Nashville Country & Western. None of these styles is any better music than the other.

In churches we also need to admit that no particular style of music is sacred. What makes a song sacred is the message of it. That sacred message may be communicated in a wide variety of musical styles. For 2,000 years the Holy Spirit has used all different kinds of music to bring glory to God. It takes all kinds of churches, using all kinds of music styles, to reach all kinds of people. To insist that one particular style of music is sacred is simply idolatry.

There is no such thing as Christian music. There are only Christian lyrics! Music is just an arrangement of notes and rhythms. Its the words that make a song spiritual. If I were to play a tune for you without any words, you wouldn’t know if it was a Christian song or not.

There is no such thing as Christian music. There are only Christian lyrics.
Im amused whenever I hear Christians resist the contemporary Christian songs by saying We need to get back to our musical roots! I wonder how far back they want to go. Back to the Gregorian chant? Back to the Jewish melodies of the Jerusalem church? They usually only want to go back about fifty to a hundred-years.

It is comical to me when people assume that the hymns mentioned in Colossians 3:16 refer to the same style of music we call hymns today. The truth is, we dont know what their hymns sounded like. What style of music did they use in the New Testament churches? I can tell you. They used the style that matched the instruments and culture common to that day. They obviously didnt have pianos or organs back then so the music wouldnt sound at all like the music in your church!

On the other hand, when I read about biblical worship in the Psalms, I see that they used drums, clashing cymbals, loud trumpets, tambourines and stringed instruments. That sounds a lot like contemporary music to me!

Saddleback is unapologetically a contemporary music church. Weve often been referred to in the press as The flock that likes to rock. We use the style of music the majority of people in our church listen to on the radio. Years ago, after being frustrated trying to please everyone I decided to survey our church. I passed out 3 x 5 cards to everyone in the Crowd service and asked them to write down the Call Letters of the radio station they listened to.

What we discovered was that 96% of our people said they listened to middle-of-the-road adult contemporary music. They liked bright, happy, cheerful music with a strong beat. If you want to reach people under 40, you need to realize that they don't understand any music before 1965. To them, a classic is an Elvis tune! Their ears are accustomed to music with a strong bass line and rhythm.

Although music is usually the most controversial element of a seeker service it is a critical element that cannot be ignored. We need to understand the incredible power of music, and harness that power by being willing to set aside our own personal preferences and use the music that will best reach the unchurched for Christ. " end of quote.


Obviously Rick thinks God is hindered to only act in the parameters man sets up.
What a shame so many are being deceived by Rick Warren this double minded man who is unstable in all his ways.

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