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Former drummer for Gary Lewis and The Playboys and The Coasters. Tim has also played with Paul Baloche, Lincoln Brewster, Darlene Zscech and Hillsongs, Jeff Fenholt, SteveCamp among others. Tim founded The Simply Agape Project in 2001 to get free Christian music to the troops. Recordings have been made with Tim, and friends Alex Acuna, Abe Laboriel SR, Justo Almario,Steve Camp , Jared Ming and some wonderful Independant Christian artists.The Somebody Brave CD also features words of encouragment to the soldiers from Pastors, Moms, Dads, and Lt Col Brian Birdwell a Pentegon 9/11 survivor Tim is married to Donna Wirth and has four children Alan 25,Steven 23, Brittany 22, Bethany 21. Tim has played in numerous churchs as well as shows on TBN. Tim has also performed on JCTV on the show Generation Worship featuring worship leader Jared Ming. Tim has a book published worldwide titled "Pass The Plate And Let Us Prey" (My Search For Black and White Christianity in a Gray Nation)

Monday, December 11, 2006

Saddleback worship-But the world did it first



Yes I saw the Holy Hula at Saddleback but this latest (even though the video is a rerun) is even more vulgar.
The video shows young people doing a J-Lo, Brittany Spears type dance routine to Kirk Franklins version of Awesome God originally written by the late Rich Mullins. The pic I show is when they undulate on the upbeat during the song. The movement is done quickly but it is what it is.
There is also a young man holding his hand over his crotch ala Michael Jackson/ Justin Timberlake. Its not a hard step to call this type of action wordly.
The girls also get into to a little shimmy thing where they wiggle their shoulders which results in their breasts wiggling around.
Folks I am not attempting to titillate anyone.
And I certainly was not tittilated by this.
Only disgusted.
But more disgusted that the leadership at Saddleback (if you want to call this leadership) allowed these kids to be a part of this.
This video was re-exposed at Extreme Theology website.
http://www.extremetheology.com/2006/12/pelvic_thrust_d.html
I had never seen it before and was really disgusted and sad after I watched this.
What about the young boys and girls in the front rows or watching this on the big screen at Saddleback watching these teens gyrate?
What about that?
It used to be that the world was influenced by the church.
This style of dancing did not start with the church.
It started with the world.
Saddleback just imitates this to be thought of as hip.
Over at Extreme Theology a guy name Miguel made the comment that this was a dance offering.
Funny how people will just make up phrases that are outside scripture to justify carnal/worldy/ vulgar behavior.
I also noticed the look on the dancers faces as the routine ended and they were hit with applause.
This was about them not The Lord Jesus.
Make no mistake.
God does not honor anything that imitates the world even if the intent was supposed to be focused on worship.
This dance was nether worship or Christian.
And the real tragedy here is that many of these teens probably were deceived into thinking that this was worship that glorified and was accepted by the Lord.
This is not worshipping in spirit and in truth.
It was just a imitation of what the world offers its god.
And the world did it first.
You cant slap a fish symbol on something and then call it Christian.
Something isnt determined to be Christian just because its done in a building thats named or called a church.
I thought about asking you to call Saddleback in disgust.
Saddleback in under a great delusion so that would really be a waste of time.
Saddlback is not even really a church in the biblical sense.
Instead pray for these young people on the video that their eyes would open up and they would flee from anything that imitates the world.
Pray also for the parents of these children that their eyes would be open as well.
God can open the eyes of the blind.

2 Tim 2:22
"Flee also youthful lusts; but pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart."

1 Thess 4:3-5 "For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you should abstain from sexual immorality;that each one of you know how to control your own body in holiness and honor not with lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God;

1 John 2:19 "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

1 John 4:5-6 "They are of the world. Therefore they speak as of the world, and the world hears them.We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

James 4:4 "Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

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