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Former drummer for Gary Lewis and The Playboys and The Coasters. Tim has also played with Paul Baloche, Lincoln Brewster, Darlene Zscech and Hillsongs, Jeff Fenholt, SteveCamp among others. Tim founded The Simply Agape Project in 2001 to get free Christian music to the troops. Recordings have been made with Tim, and friends Alex Acuna, Abe Laboriel SR, Justo Almario,Steve Camp , Jared Ming and some wonderful Independant Christian artists.The Somebody Brave CD also features words of encouragment to the soldiers from Pastors, Moms, Dads, and Lt Col Brian Birdwell a Pentegon 9/11 survivor Tim is married to Donna Wirth and has four children Alan 25,Steven 23, Brittany 22, Bethany 21. Tim has played in numerous churchs as well as shows on TBN. Tim has also performed on JCTV on the show Generation Worship featuring worship leader Jared Ming. Tim has a book published worldwide titled "Pass The Plate And Let Us Prey" (My Search For Black and White Christianity in a Gray Nation)

Friday, February 01, 2008

Cedarville University Cancels Shane Claiborne Event

From my good friends and brothers and sisters in the Lord Deb and Dave Dombrowski.
This is a local issue for me so I was glad to get this news-Tim

Cedarville University
Cancels Shane Claiborne Event


January 31, 2008 - On January 23rd, Lighthouse Trails reported that Cedarville University had scheduled emerging church leader Shane Claiborne to speak at Cedarville on February 11th. It has now come to our attention that the Claiborne event has been cancelled.

Lighthouse Trails spoke via email with John Davis, Associate Director of Public Relations for Cedarville University, who confirmed that Shane Claiborne would not be speaking there after all. Davis stated: "In light of the concern expressed, both on and off campus, about Shane Claiborne, the university has opted to cancel the event."

The evening with Claiborne that was going to take place was named after Claiborne's book, The Irresistible Revolution. Our Jan. 23rd report pointed out that proceeds from the sale of that book were going to many emerging/contemplative type organizations including Brian McLaren's home church and mystic proponent Tony Campolo. The book's foreword is written by liberal political activist Jim Wallis.

One Cedarville professor wrote to Lighthouse Trails today after hearing of the cancellation and said he was sorry that Claiborne would not be speaking because students need to "become active participants in the world of ideas and to become critical thinkers." He added that perhaps "Claiborne's visit would have sparked a number of interesting and educationally valuable conversations that we so desperately need to have." Another person called us, identifying herself as a student at Cedarville, and said it was "very unfortunate" that Claiborne was cancelled. She said he was a wonderful person and his book had great ideas.

While it is understandable that professors wish for students to have knowledge of various mindsets, it is not so understandable that they would want to use those promoting false doctrine to instruct students, even if they are really nice people. When we asked a Cedarville University personnel last week if he would bring in a New Ager to address the students, he said no. But, as we pointed out, that is what they are doing by bringing in any emerging church leader and/or author. The two philosophies line up very neatly. Thus, while we agree that Christian college students should be informed on the various religions and spiritualities of the world, we disagree that they should learn them from the proponent themselves. Would a university need to bring in a Marxist to teach the students about Communism? No. Neither do they need to bring in an emerging activist to teach the students about mysticism and emerging spirituality.

The problem is most people don't really know what emerging spirituality is all about. Thus, it is difficult for people to see it as anything but a different kind of Christianity but Christianity none the less. While we believe it is for the best that Shane Claiborne will not be speaking at Cedarville this February, our ongoing concern is that if Cedarville faculty, staff, and students do not fully understand the spiritual implications of emerging, then next month or the month after that it will be another name and then another.

We beseech Cedarville students and faculty to learn what the dynamics of the emerging church are. This would include understanding contemplative spirituality because mysticism is the driving force behind emerging. In fact, without mysticism there would be no emerging church movement.

Today, when we told Ray Yungen what had happened at Cedarville, he asked us to convey something he felt was vital. It is from his book A Time of Departing:
Dr. Rodney R. Romney, former Senior Pastor of the First Baptist Church of Seattle is a person frequently quoted as an example of a New Age Christian. He very candidly revealed what was conveyed to him in his contemplative prayer periods. The "source of wisdom" he was in contact with told him the following:
I want you to preach this oneness, to hold it up before the world as my call to unity and togetherness. In the end this witness to the oneness of all people will undermine any barriers that presently exist.1
Could this be a familiar spirit speaking here? Jesus Christ did not teach that all people are one. There are the saved and the unsaved. And Jesus Christ is the catalyst for this distinction. But the spirit who spoke to Dr. Romney also revealed something else of vital importance. It declared, "Silence is that place, that environment where I work."2 Please pay attention to this! God does not work in the silence--but familiar spirits do. Moreover, what makes it so dangerous is that they are very clever. One well-known New Ager revealed what his guiding (familiar) spirit candidly disclosed:
We work with all who are vibrationally sympathetic; simple and sincere people who feel our spirit moving, but for the most part, only within the context of their current belief system.3
The term "vibrationally sympathetic" here means those who suspend thought through word repetition or breath focus--inward mental silence. That is what attracts them. That is their opening. That is why Tilden Edwards called this the "bridge to far Eastern spirituality," and this is what is being injected into the evangelical church!

If Cedarville students and faculty cannot grasp the underlying reality and spiritual framework behind the emerging church, then they could find themselves swept up into a spirituality that is not in harmony with the Gospel of the grace of God.

But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God. (Acts 20:24)

Notes:
1. Rodney R. Romney, Journey to Inner Space (New York, NY: Riverview Press., 1986), p. 132.
2. Ibid., p. 138.
3. Ken Carey, The Starseed Transmissions (A Uni-Sun Book, 1985 4th printing), p. 33.

4 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Looks like Cedarville has another apostate teacher coming to talk to the impressionable students!Brad Kallenberg!
Univ. of Dayton Philosopher-pro-emergent

ALSO.. the end of Feb. Cedarville has spiritual formation advocat and writer, "Eric Geiger" speaking!
See Paul Protor's commentary on "The Simple Church" http://www.newswithviews.com/PaulProctor/proctor127.htm

Cedarville needs much prayer now that true believers would earnestly contend for the faith! The message of the cross; sinners coming to the Lord and Savior, Jesus, for forgiveness so that they might have eternal life.

Cedarville needs to abandon these apostate lies!!

3:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our daughter just spent a year at Cedarville University. She said the first week was good at chapel, then it changed. Slowly we are learning more about her "Bible" teaching that she got for $24,000.00: none! She was exposed to emergent books all the time there. I have studied this "movement" for 6 months and am familiar with all the books. An Assistant Professor of Theology, newly hired, used "Heaven is a Place on Earth" in Christian Life and Thought class in the fall of 2007. It is a shocking book and in the first three pages mocks heaven, implying Huck Finn had the right idea that it is boring. The tone of the book is questioning faith and church and traditional Christianity. Google it and read excerpts on amazon.com. The book gets much worse. I can't imagine why a Bible teacher would use such a mocking book with impressionable students. The author of that book appears to be very "emergent" if you google him. Our daughter said that "Discussions" in class terribly weakened her faith. She felt after reading only one chapter that the "book" was heresy and said so to a fellow student. She would not read another word and ended up getting a C because she hated the book. She did not trust any Bible faculty member after that and did not like chapel, either. The speakers sounded liberal. It felt wrong to her, all of it. She never heard an altar call to be saved while there. Now she is hearing real Bible teaching again. My husband and I are furious that we trusted these administration officials, "Bible" teachers, and spent a fortune on a school that pretends it isn't advancing the emergent heresy daily. They are. They use the buzz words, they invite the emergent speakers, they don't care where the kids go to church, and they sell the books. Add it up. They weaken young people's faith. Avoid it at all costs.

7:29 AM  
Blogger Tim Wirth said...

Thanks for this comment. When my oldest son graduates from junior collage I was considering sending him to Cedarville. Not now though. I have seen Cedarville slid down the slippery slope since I attended a youth rally there with my kids some years ago when they were in grade school. The music was so loud it hurt my ears. Now Im a ex rocker and even though I always wore ear protection when I drummed or played perc I can take some volume. This was way to much. Saddleback church was the same way as well as many churches now. This does not homor God but excites the flesh.
After that I though Cedarville had melloed a bit and lived up more to there conservative reputation. Now they have really let the false teaching in.
A really sad sign of the times when its almost better to send your kids to a secular collage.
Sad.
Peace
Tim

6:35 PM  
Blogger Travis Cravey said...

In love, I ask why are you threatened by Shane Claiborne's message? If you read his book, or listen to him speak, you'll find that he preaches that Jesus is the Son of God, who died for our sins and was resurrected. There is apostasy out there right now, certainly, but trying to live as Jesus taught us surely can't be one. In Christ's love.

8:00 AM  

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