Rob Bell is going after your kids and youth
There is not going to be a need for a long commentary on this one. Tim
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My comments-Ok so many of us have seen Rob's Nooma videos and have to admit that Rob is a great communicator but so what.
Many folks can be a great communicator and not be a Christian.
History is full of unsaved great communicators.
Now to the point.
Both Emergent church leaders Rob Bell and Doug Pagitt are speakers at this infaith conference and here is what that conferences focus is.
(Taken from the site)
Global, national and local luminaries representing faiths from around the world will gather to discuss nurturing youth with spirituality.
I would also encourage you to fish around this site and see what Bell and Pagitt are really mixed up in. Even though I don't think Bell or Pagitt are mixed up I think they know exactly what they are doing.
Notice on this site where the focus is and what they want you to practice.
Here is a list of all speakers.
Before you read this list though keep in thought of what the scripture teaches
Eph 5:11-12
"Ephesians 5:11-12 (New King James Version)
New King James Version (NKJV)
Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.
"11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret."
So if you are a Christian you have no business partnering with the Dali Lama and others outside the faith because no matter how nice they are there works are still unfruitful and dark.
And most of all I wouldn't want any Christian leader I let my kids exposed to gleaning off folks like the Dali Lama and Desmond Tutu.
The bible states their works are unfruitful-period!
Again here is why this group is meeting.
Global, national and local luminaries representing faiths from around the world will gather to discuss nurturing youth with spirituality.
If this doesn't throw up a big red flag you had better examine your faith AND your walk with The Lord Jesus. Who in fact didn't meet with other spiritual leaders in His day to discuss nurturing youth with different type's of spirituality.
Here is a list of the leaders attending-
Participants include:
• His Holiness the Dalai Lama, a simple Buddhist monk
• Archbishop Desmond Tutu, Episcopal Archbishop of South Africa and Nobel Peace Prize Recipient
• Dr. Ingrid Mattson, President of the Islamic Society of North America
• Rabbi David Rosen, Chairman of the International Jewish Committee on Interreligious Consultations
• Roshi Joan Halifax, Zen Buddhist Master and abbess of Upaya Zen Center
• Rob Bell, emergent Christian leader, writer, and pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church in Grandville, Michigan
• Sister Joan Chittister, Benedictine Catholic nun, writer and teacher
• Pravrajika Vrajaprana, Hindu philosopher, writer, and teacher
• Doug Pagitt, evangelical author, pastor of Solomon’s Porch in Minneapolis, emergent Christian leader
• Episcopal Bishop Steven Charleston, President and Dean of Episcopal Divinity School and a Professor of Theology
• Linda Kavelin-Popov, co-founder of the Virtues Project
• Reverend Samuel Berry McKinney, civil rights leader and pastor emeritus of Mount Zion Baptist Church in Seattle
• Father William Treacy, Interfaith leader, founder of Camp Brotherhood
• Ahmed Tijani Ben Omar, Muslim scholar and spiritual leader
• Guru Singh, Sikh philosopher and spiritual leader
• Steven Shankman, the UNESCO Chair in Transcultural Studies, Interreligious Dialogue and Peace
• Youth representatives from across Washington State
Here is what they plan to do (PS welcome to the forming of the new Christianity )
"The Youth and Spiritual Connection Dialogue begins with a panel focusing on contemporary children. In today’s complex culture, with problems such as media overload, social pressure, short attention spans, isolation and fear, how do we bring awareness of spirituality and compassion to our children in the first years of life?
In the afternoon, workshops and forums on Spirituality and Compassion will provide participants with practical tools they can contribute to their homes, communities and future generations.
Please join us on April 15th, to participate, contribute and learn at this historical event, and encourage members of your community to attend – especially new and expecting parents. "
Folks I believe this is the forming of the apostate religion that the Bible speaks about in the end times.
If I would you I would mark Rob Bell and Doug Pagitt and inform your youth pastors and pastors about this event.
If they still think its ok to use Rob Bell videos and Doug Pagitt materials I would flee that church and never turn back your kids are in serious danger.
Peace
Tim Wirth
posted by Tim Wirth | 1:54 PM
6 Comments:
this will be my last comment.
it would be wise of you to take a look at all of your posts and wonder if you should really use the name of simply agape. your posts are anything but dissension anger and hate.
if you care about the truth of christ, it should be your goal to teach out of love, not peanut gallery cynicism.
when i read your posts, i don't get the sense you care for helping people along the path so much as hoping people see you are right; and everyone else is hellbound.
the attitude that you present in your writing can be identified as one that is in line with the reasoning of many people turning away from church, instead of towards it.
I totally agree with Bucky. Tim, i think you ought to be warned. I'd hate to be in your shoes when judgment comes.
For bucky and whoever else commented. There is no hate or dissension anger coming from me. And I dont comment from the peanut gallery. Im still in church, still a Christian and mostly comment on what I see go on first hand.
Your comments are mostly on what you see as my attitude.
General statements were made by both of you, no defence of Ricb Bell or debate if you think I was in error about something scripturally.
Its because I love the church as well as the Body of Christ.
And you cant question that Im objective because I let your comments fly even though there was no substance to them just general statements.
You didnt address the post just say Im angry and hateful.
When Im really nether.
If you disagree with something I write thats fine.
But state why.
Do you think its ok to find common ground with the Dali Lama.
Ok why? And what in scripture backs up your statmnents.
I do teach out of love there is a lot of other things I could be doing.
Its because I love the Body of Christ I spend time doing this.
If you think Im in the flesh, unscriptural, or you disagree with the topic thats fine state your case instead of just making comments that are without facts but just speculation on my attitude and reason.
It would be a different story if we were in person because then you would be forced to state your case. And we could hear each others tone etc..
Look at your comments again and tell me what it had to do with my posting.
It really didnt show your opinion on the topic just a bunch of rehtoric.
But again thanks for your comments
Tim
Tim,
I have seen and heard Rob Bell through many videos and what I refer to as "pro Bell" writings as well as those who are seeing the red flags (like yourself). I have had red flags waving about Bell for a long time now. In fact, we are no longer at the church where we fellowshipped for seven years, in part, due to Rob Bell and Nooma. (Nooma is the name of his video series.)
After much prayer and investigation, we approached our pastor and youth pastor about the concerns we had with some of Bell's theology and the things he was instucting and encouraging. For example, "breathing out sin" and "Christian yoga", just to name two. Believe me, it is way bigger than that. We were told that there was nothing wrong with Rob Bell or his ministry and that we were being fundamental and rigid. At the same time, our pastor was encouraging our church body to link up with a church in our community that performs same-sex marriages and stands with Planned Parenthood, because they have a food distrubution during the holidays. Our youth wanted to put together a basket (within the youth group) for a family in our prayer-focus, but the pastor took it out of their hands and insisted that we would join this church and work with them in "unity" to "feed the hungry". We were saddened, surprised and shocked...all at the same time. It's a really long story. Our concerns were flushed over and over while we tried to communicate with both pastors. The main focus became uniting with this other church on a thread of commonality...feeding the hungry, or "getting food to hungry people".
So, what does all this have to do with Rob Bell? I believe our story is an example of how "the unity" of faith is exploited and misrepresented. Rob Bell is just a part of the picture. There is a defining line being drawn down the middle of the church. Folks are being asked to leave their churches if they don't get on the band wagon with the Emergent Movement. Some get pressured other ways. If they remian silent about their concerns, they can stay. If they change their minds, they can stay. Sadly, the watchmen are either sleeping, decieved or afraid of getting booted out.
Now, back to Rob Bell. These are simple questions; Why would a Christian minister encourage kids to perform yoga when God's Word denounces these types of avenues to try to get closer to Him? (Listen to his "Breathe" sermon.) If this doesn't give you a caution, I don't know what would. Would it not be better to lead a person down the road of repentance than to lead them to believe that they can breathe out their sin and breathe in forgiveness? This may sound trivial and unimportant to many, but it is vital to the soul. And speaking of soul; I think of what is waiting for the soul who "causes one of these to stumble" and pray that children will be protected from Bells twisted theology and his efforts to turn ancient practices into "get closer to God disciplines". These things are just a drop in the bucket. And it isn't just Bell. Doug Pagitt, Brian McClaren and even Rick Warren are moving in the "unity at any cost" direction. The list is quite long, but these are just a few high profile names.
Our family is very well established in our community (spiritually, personally and in business) and it was no secret that we served our Father inside our church and outside. My husband sat on the church council, drove one of the trailers and was a key person in the set-up and tear-down (portable church meeting in public school). He was also the greeter, an usher, filling in where needed. I was part of the prayer ministry team, connected with lots of people and also filled in at times. We are also watchmen. The Lord has shown us for a few years, what was coming. I still remember the vision He gave me of dogs coming right into the church...appearing friendly...whipping the children with their tails...people having conversations and eating and drinking and not paying attention...all the while the children are being whipped and also licked in their faces, to the point of suffocation. Some were still in their carseats sitting on the floor. The parents maintained that the dogs were friendly and I should stop making a big deal of it. The licking, to them, was friendly and my concerns were unwarranted. I saw the dogs' teeth and tongues and their whipping tails. It was horrifying. And right in the church!
That may have been too much information for you and your readers, but I believe it was one of many warnings that the Lord gave me. By the way, I confronted one of the dogs and it tried to intimidate me with it's teeth and loud bark. I punched it square in the mouth and my hand went in and was protected from any injury. I knew this to be the Lord's protection and that I had done the right thing. I see now, that I could have spent more time praying for the protection of our little church. I did share the vision with the pastor and a few others, but it was shined-on (disregarded) and not talked about. No skin off my nose, but has the church thumbed it's nose at God's warnings?
God is speaking to the watchmen in His church. Is the church throwing the watchmen as well as the children to the dogs?
I don't know if I will write or comment here again, but I do know that I will continue to pray for the watchmen and for the lost. Check everything out folks...and listen to the Holy Spirit..listen, listen, listen and then obey. Don't fall into deception in these days. Wide is the road to destruction so if you are in the mainstream you should be even more diligent to check yourself, your theology; not just for your sake, but for those who may follow you to where you are going.
A Sister in Christ
In response to "a sister in Christ" - my thoughts exactly!
See my blog on false religions vs. discernment at www.myspace.com/g33kchik
Shalom....-Amy
whoever the Sister in Christ is, that wrote two posts above.
We had almost the exact same experience at my church, and we left for the same reasons.(We have found a Biblical church.)
I have been told that being "a watch dog" is not my job. But it is!
I am also a watch man (dog if you want)!
I will pray for you.
Don't forget, dear sister in the Lord, God wins.
Keep on praying in the Spirit and reading and believing God's perfect Word.
Love another Sister in the Lord.
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