Rick Warrens meeting with Chris Rosebrough and Bob Dewaay
A concerned reader commented-
What do you know regarding Warren's latest conference and the "generous" invitation he extended to his detractors in the discernment community to be his guests at the latest 3-day conference on the grounds of Saddleback? (all-expenses paid)
I ssume you were included in the list of those invited, as you have boldly taken on the subject of Warren yourself -- as well as his staunch defender Richard Abanes.
Warren seems determined to sway his detractors and draw them into his his circle. This is without a doubt a very smooth move on his part, extending the hand of friendship to those who have tirelessly exposed the darker purposes of the Purpose Driven movement. Clever and diabolical are two terms that come to mind as describing Warren's ploys. And foolish is the word that would best describe those who accepted his invitation... To think they'd "find something" in their time there to report back to their constituents was a little naive on their parts, I believe. Knowing Rick and his ability to put his best foot forward, I'd have thought better of our watchmen than to oblige themselves to Warren by accepting such an invitation. To think he'd invite their participation in this event if he thought they'd be able to find an ounce of anything unorthodox, offensive or false to report back to us about.
I'm deeply concerned about those who accepted Warren's invitation to attend this 3-day conference. Chris Rosebrough, for example. He began live-blogging from the event but then mysteriously disappeared from the scene. If you'll go on Chris's website, his latest post is a Thank-you to Rick Warren and Saddleback for their generous hospitality and Rick's genuine sincerity. Chris mentioned Bob DeWaayas being present there withhim, and the two of them together being treated to a gracious "one on one" meeting with Warren, from which it was determined that he was SOOOO sincere, SOOOOwilling to consider their grievances with him (so "conciliatory"...)
What's going on here??? What were these guys thinking in accepting Warren's deceptive overture to them? Did they think they would be impervious to his wiles, that they would be able to resist his charm, his disarming manner, his and "sincerity"?
I am most concerned. I am wondering how many of our illustrious watchmen took the bait to attend this conference that was deliberately designed, one might reason, to win their trust of Warren and thus discount all the negative reporting of Warren's unbiblical goals, agenda, aspirations. We already know that that Warren weilds a charm that is disarming, and are we not fools to engage it, and to ingratiate ourselves to him for his "sincere generosity" and "hospitality"?
What can you tell us about the discernment community's response to Warren's unexpected 11th hour invitation to be his guests for a three-day immersion in carefully planned presentations and warm-fuzzy experiences?
I'm searching for some word from within the discernment community, some post-conference respoonse, and finding nothing (so far). Have we not just been played? I suspect that Warren may have succeeded in convincing his opponents that he is a harmless and lovable character after all, and the consummate gentleman, his knowledge of politics having served him well.
Ingrid has had precious little to say recently besides remarking that Chris Rosebrough was asked by Warren to shut down his live blogging of the conference (with which he complied). Where is any comment post-conference from within the discernment fold? All I'm finding is silence, and it's a little disconcerting.
What do you know about any of this, Tim? Can you tell us someething? Perhaps I'm asking prematurely. I suppose there may be some response show up later today...
Here is my responce-
The post this person was referring to was here-
I expressed my concerns to Chris about this publically on his website. I also spoke to Chris a couple of times on the phone to get some more information on what is going on. After my conversation with Chris I must say I at this point I am not concerned but I will be interested on how Chris responds to all this as well as how Bob Dewaay responds.
I however would not have went to the meeting for the following reasons.
1. Rick Warren is famed for how charming he can be. I believe Rick has a deceptive spirit around him though. For more on this turn your Bibles to Danial 8:23-24.
2. Rick Warren and what he does is very much out in the public. He is a member of the Council of Foreign Relation and spoke at the Davos conference with Emergent Church leader Brian McLaren
read this article by Joe Farah and the Davos article by Herescope.
I really dont have anything to say to Rick Warren but repent and stop deceiving the thousands of churches in the Body of Christ with all his false teachings and associations.
I do not believe anything outside of a direct act from God would convince Rick Warren to repent and cease his false teaching and leading the Body of Christ astray.
But God is still a God of Miracles. He is also a God that will turn you over to a reprobate mind if you dont repent.
Out of all the people invited( which the list included Deb and Dave Dombrowski, Ingrid, James Sundquist among some others) only Chris and Bob decided to go on Rick Warrens dime.
Im sure Saddleback and Warren checked damage control and sought the blogs and website's with the most hits so he could get the most bang for his buck.
Warren may be a lot of things but he is a brilliant businessman and knows how to do damage control.
Sad but I think no matter how Chris or Bob respond this is a win-win for Rick Warren because he paid their way.
At least thats my opinion.
Ingrids refusal publicly on her website stated it best I thought.
I was personally not invited to this meeting and would not go anywhere with Rick Warren picking up my tab. I would not spend a penny of that guys money period.
The bad thing about all this was that Abanes has run rampant on Chris blog with his usual half truth's and lying tongue.
Richard even stated that this meeting was cancelled on another website because no one took Warrens offer which of course was not a true statement.
I asked Chris if he knew of any meeting that was supposed to have included Richard Abanes, he stated he hadnt heard of any other meeting that would have included Richard.
Read my comments about that here
Maybe Richard is not as close a confidant as I have thought he was with Rick Warren.
But who really know's Richard spins sometimes so quickly you get dizzy following what he originally says.
Richard does like to inflate the truth.
Anyway I spoke to Chris today and he has stated he is working on a article and it would be up on his blog soon.
So of course its best to let Chris speak for himself , which Im sure he will do.
I have heard nothing about a response from Bob Dewaay and I dont know him. But I would hope that he will respond as he is lead by the Lord.
Again Im not exactly sure of what would motivate anyone to sit at a table outside of a public arena with Rick Warren.
Most of all not on Ricks dime.
We''l see how this all plays out. Though I commend Chris and Bob for taking the time not just to react. But to sit and think prayerfully about how they will respond.
If I had a tape of this meeting it would be out on U Tube whenever I got it and let the public take away what they will from it.
But Chris and Bob are accountable to God to respond as they see fit.
We will see what happens.