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Former drummer for Gary Lewis and The Playboys and The Coasters. Tim has also played with Paul Baloche, Lincoln Brewster, Darlene Zscech and Hillsongs, Jeff Fenholt, SteveCamp among others. Tim founded The Simply Agape Project in 2001 to get free Christian music to the troops. Recordings have been made with Tim, and friends Alex Acuna, Abe Laboriel SR, Justo Almario,Steve Camp , Jared Ming and some wonderful Independant Christian artists.The Somebody Brave CD also features words of encouragment to the soldiers from Pastors, Moms, Dads, and Lt Col Brian Birdwell a Pentegon 9/11 survivor Tim is married to Donna Wirth and has four children Alan 25,Steven 23, Brittany 22, Bethany 21. Tim has played in numerous churchs as well as shows on TBN. Tim has also performed on JCTV on the show Generation Worship featuring worship leader Jared Ming. Tim has a book published worldwide titled "Pass The Plate And Let Us Prey" (My Search For Black and White Christianity in a Gray Nation)

Sunday, December 24, 2006

Review of Rick Warrens Christmas Eve Service on Fox news.

Well Ive got to say I had a little time on my hands this Christmas Eve waiting for my four kids to arrive back from their grandmas.

I watched Rick Warren on Fox.

This will be a short review.

I want to premise this by saying Ive never seen Rick Warren preach before and just heard bits and pieces of sermons. I have read Purpose Driven Life and Church. And many Rick Warren articles.
Rick Warren stated in the second program "Can Rick Warren change the world" when asked about his illness when he starts to preach Rick commented "he did not like to preach."

Rick it shows.

Lets start with the music.

I liked the orchestra even though the mix was not very good for television.
Thought the harp player was a great touch even though her parts were sometime way to busy.
The singers who sang the specials were pretty good.
The band was talented even though I though the arrangement's were weak.

Now back to Rick Warren.
Ricks is just not a very good speaker and took pauses between songs (and thank God for the commercials).
Thats the least of Ricks problems here is just a short brief comments on some quotes I took.
Rick stated sin was being saved from negative emotions. This shows Robert Schullers influence on Rick.
Rick Warren The first purpose of Christmas is celebration-God likes to party.
Im not even going to comment on that one.

And if I have to please spare us both and dont read my blog anymore.
"Jesus stretched out his hands on the cross and said I love you this much."
I couldnt find that in the Bible not even in The Message.
Rick Warren continues to lie and decieve people.
He states he is a preacher not a politician.
Rick Warren is much more comfortable on "Meet the Press" than he is preaching to a congregation.
And his real ambition shows where his loyalty lies.
And its not with Jesus Christ.
Even though Rick states he is with Christ.
Ricks actions and ulterior motives show who his loyalty really lies with.
Ricks loyalty lies with Rick and his purposes.
If you think Rick Warren is not a politician you have not been watching closely.
So let me make it clear to you.
Rick Warren is not a preacher but a businessman and a politician.
And this is not just because I say so.
Ricks actions make this quite clear.

Rick Warren "It doesnt matter who you are" Rick then went on to list many religions Buddhists, Mormons, Catholics, Jews , Protestants etc.. And then said "this is not about religion but relationship."

That must really put a Buddhist at ease that they dont have to be a Christian or be saved to have a relationship with Jesus Christ.
Jesus founded the church as a place for believers to part of once saved.
Ricks prayer of salvation was not based on the Bible and would not save anyone.
Matter of fact Rick never once presented the gospel in a biblically, scripturally based way.

Not once.

Rick did speak about sin.
The same way Robert Schuller speaks about sin.

David Asner of Fox News stated Rick as having faith in business principles.

I believe this was a true statement.

Ricks followers were also referred to as his followers.
I believe that is also true.
They follow Rick Warren not Jesus Christ.
Because Warren has created a new religion.
Jesus is mentioned.
But Jesus is also mentioned in many other religions.
Think about that.
These two programs were made to turn people toward Purpose Driven not to Gods Word because that is where the emphasize was put.
Now Jesus is included in the deal but we will see what happens as time goes by.
Everyday Ricks new religion includes less and less emphasize on the Bible and more on Purpose Driven.
Im sure in time (and we may be at that point already) it will be only Purpose Driven that saves.
Ive got to say I was surprised at how bad of a preacher Rick Warren really is.
He does not rightly divide the word of God at all.
He bends it to say what he wants it to say.
It was just really bad preaching if it can even really be called that.

And this went to our Armed Forces?
Wow we really need to pray for our troops.
And I want to add Im not jealous here but I want to make a comment.

The Simply Agape Project has recorded 2 CD's that are given out to the troops and those who serve and protect our country.
Some of the music is home grown but most of it was recorded using the very best Christian musicians including Steve Camp, Alex Acuna, and Abe Laboriel SR.
When I was trying to get this free CD's to the troops through Armed Forces Entertainment and the USO and The Pentegon I was flatly turned down because they considered it proselytizing because of the Christian content in the songs.
Most of all in Steve Camps song" Cornerstone" which presents the gospel.
We still sent hundreds of free CD's to the troops through boots on the ground who would pass them out to their fellow soldiers.
Many CD's went to the front lines in Fallujah, Iraq.

But yet Rick Warren is telecasted to the troops.

God help our troops to not be deceived by this false teacher.

Im sure the Armed Forces does not consider Rick Warrens message proselytizing because Rick does not know how to present the gospel.
Or Rick refuses to present the true gospel because it gets in the way of his Purpose Driven agenda.
Thats why his message is allowed.
I know also thats why the world so readily uses Rick Warrens PDL and materials in their big companies.
There is no way this would be done if the message was Christian.
When are people going to wake up and see Rick Warren for who he is.
Ricks headway into the Armed Forces and business is not because of Gods favor in Ricks life.
Because Rick does not preach Jesus Christ.
Rick preaches Purpose Driven.
And there is a difference.
The same way Christians are different from Mormons and Jehovah Witness's.


Im taking a week off to enjoy my family.
In the future I will be speaking less and less of Warren.
Im sure some better articles will be written on this debacle.
And I will post them here.
But if this is the way Rick Warren always preaches and you dont get it.
You have the problem and I dont think I can help you.

All you need to do is check the Bible as Rick Warren talks and acts.
And you will find it does not add up.

Now Rick Warrens followers are sending Purpose Driven Life instead of Bibles to foreign countries.
If you also dont get that this is actually a new religion you are very deceived.
And about Ricks generosity and his 90% tithing back to the church.
Notice that Rick stated he set up the foundations and charities he tithes to.
Come on folks think really hard about that.

Again the Bible speaks about a great falling away and being deceived.

2 Thess 2:3
"Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition.
2 Thess 2:10-11
"and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved
And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,

Maybe you should go read your Bibles instead of Purpose Driven.

On that note have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
God Bless All our wonderful men and women in the Armed Forces and all those who serve and protect this country.
Tim Wirth and family

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