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Former drummer for Gary Lewis and The Playboys and The Coasters. Tim has also played with Paul Baloche, Lincoln Brewster, Darlene Zscech and Hillsongs, Jeff Fenholt, SteveCamp among others. Tim founded The Simply Agape Project in 2001 to get free Christian music to the troops. Recordings have been made with Tim, and friends Alex Acuna, Abe Laboriel SR, Justo Almario,Steve Camp , Jared Ming and some wonderful Independant Christian artists.The Somebody Brave CD also features words of encouragment to the soldiers from Pastors, Moms, Dads, and Lt Col Brian Birdwell a Pentegon 9/11 survivor Tim is married to Donna Wirth and has four children Alan 25,Steven 23, Brittany 22, Bethany 21. Tim has played in numerous churchs as well as shows on TBN. Tim has also performed on JCTV on the show Generation Worship featuring worship leader Jared Ming. Tim has a book published worldwide titled "Pass The Plate And Let Us Prey" (My Search For Black and White Christianity in a Gray Nation)

Sunday, December 24, 2006

Review of Rick Warrens Christmas Eve Service on Fox news.

Well Ive got to say I had a little time on my hands waiting for my four kids to arrive back from their grandmas.

I just watched Rick Warren on Fox.

This will be a short review.
I want to premise this by saying Ive never seen Rick Warren preach before and just heard bits and pieces of sermons. I have read Purpose Driven Life and Church. And many Rick Warren articles.
Rick Warren stated in the second program "Can Rick Warren change the world" when asked about his illness when he starts to preach Rick commented "he did not like to preach."
Rick it shows.

Lets start with the music.
I liked the orchestra even though the mix was not very good, thought the harp player was a great touch even though her parts were sometime way to busy.
The singers who sang the solos were pretty good.
The band also played well even though I thought the arrangements played were weak.

Now back to Rick Warren.
Ricks is not a very good speaker and took pauses between songs (and thank God for that and the commercials).
Thats the least of Ricks problems here is just a short brief comments on some quotes I took.
Rick stated sin was being saved from negative emotions. This shows Robert Schullers influence on Rick.
Rick Warren The first purpose of Christmas is celebration-God likes to party.

And if I have to please spare us both and dont read my blog anymore.
Rick said,
"Jesus stretched out his hands on the cross and said I love you this much."
I couldnt find that in the Bible not even in The Message.

Rick Warren "It doesnt matter who you are" Rick then went on to list many religions Buddhists, Mormons, Catholics, Jews , Protestants etc.. And then said "this is not about religion but relationship."
That must really put a Buddhist at ease that they dont have to be a Christian to have a relationship with Jesus Christ.
Jesus founded the church as a place for believers to part of once saved.
Ricks prayer of salvation was not based on the Bible and would not save anyone.
Matter of fact Rick never once presented the gospel in a biblically, scripturally based way.
Not once.
Rick did speak about sin.
The same way Robert Schuller speaks about sin.
Rick reffered to sin as negative emotions.
David Asner of Fox News stated Rick as having faith in business principles.
I believe this was a true statement.
Ricks followers were also referred to as his followers.
I believe that is also true.
They follow Rick Warren not Jesus Christ.
Because Warren has created a new religion.
Jesus is mentioned.
But Jesus is also mentioned in many other religions.
These two Fox programs were made to turn people toward Purpose Driven not to Gods Word because that is where the emphasize was put.
Now Jesus is mentioned in the deal but we will see what happens as time goes by.
Everyday Ricks new religion includes less and less emphasize on the Bible and more on Purpose Driven.
Im sure in time (and we may be at that point already) it will be only Purpose Driven that saves.
Its a fact that instead of bibles Ricks followers pass out copies of Purpose Driven Life and Church.
because PDL is where their loyalty lies.
Not to God.
But to Rick Warren.
Ive got to say I was surprised at how bad of a preacher Rick Warren really is.
He does not rightly divide the word of God at all.
He bends it to say what he wants it to say.
It was just really bad preaching if it can even really be called that.
Also watch as Rick Warren continuely lies and contridicts his own statement.
Warren states he is not a politician.
Thats just crazy. Warren is knee deep involved in politics.
And notice how Rick Warren is 10 times more comfortable on shows like "Meet the Press" rather than preaching to a congregation.
Thats because Rick Warren is not a pastor or a preacher but a businessman and politician.
With a big agenda.
Ricks not Gods.
It is not important to Rick to preach the gospel, his recent comment in Christianity Today expose this.
And you know what, this shows.
Im not sure that Rick really knows what the gospel is.
I have still not heard Rick Warren preach the gospel according to the Bible.
Not once.

And this went to our Armed Forces?
Wow we really need to pray for our troops.
I have a comment of this as well.
I do not want this to be perceived as jealousy.
I speak of this to make a point.
The Simply Agape Project recorded 2 CD's to be sent to the troops and those who serve and protect our country.
These are free to the troops.
When I was in communication with The Pentegon and Armed Forces Entertainment the CD's were not allowed to be sent through these channels because they considered this proselytizing.
We did send hundreds of free CD's to boots on the ground who then passed them out to their fellow soldiers.
The CD's were recorded using some home grown music but the majority was recorded using the very best Christian musicians including Steve Camp, Alex Acuna, and Abe Laboriels SR.
Steve Camp's song 'Cornerstone" presents the gospel in a biblically grounded fashion.
Now we did get hundreds of copies to places like Fallujah, Iraq to boots on the ground who passed the CD's out.

Now Rick Warrens telecast is allowed because it is not proselytizing in any way.
Really think about that.

Its a all inclusive message that even a Buddist or Muslim could relate to.
Remember though that sound doctrine will divide.
Rick Warrens doctrine does not divide because it is not sound or biblically based.
Thats why Rick has made such headway into the Armed Forces and many major companies and why so many companies use PDL.
Purpose Driven is not a Christian message.
If it was it would not be used or accepted by the world or secular companies.
Because it would be considered proselytizing.
This is not Gods blessing on Rick Warrens life.
It has to do with someone else.
You followers of Warren should really wake up.
Its a Christian flavored message only (at this point in time).

Im taking a week off to enjoy my family.
In the future I will be speaking less and less of Warren.
Im sure some better articles will be written on this debacle.
And I will post them here.
But if this is the way Rick Warren always preaches and you dont get it.
You have the problem and I dont think I can help you.
All you need to do is check the Bible as Rick Warren talks and acts.
And you will find it does not add up.
Now people are sending Purpose Driven Life instead of Bibles to foreign countries.
If you also dont get that this is actually a new religion you are very deceived.

Again the Bible speaks about a great falling away and being deceived.
2Thess 2:3
"Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,"

2 Thess 2:10-12
"and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness"
Let this verse sink deep into all who follow this false teacher.

Maybe you should go read your Bibles instead of Purpose Driven.
God Bless our troops as they spend time away from their families and protect our country.
Please God protect them all from the evil one.

On that note have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
Tim Wirth and family


Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sure glad you posted this article as Rick Warren is NOT even a fair preacher. He HAS started a new religion and many follow after this blind leader of the blind. "Woe to the foolish prophets, who follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing" Ezekiel 13:3.

10:05 PM  
Blogger In The Word said...

I couldn't make myself watch this program. It was on AFN here overseas and I ended up starting to watch it in the middle.

Then the God lights the joint up comment when he went back to make a "clarification" about lighting a joint up and lights the joint up to make sure no one misunderstood him. I thought that was way off base.

And I am sure someone will say I am being to critical. Praise God! I would rather be discerning than misled.

11:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's reach the world for Christ.
Merry Christmas!
Rick Muchow
PS I found out I was overated a long time ago.

2:47 AM  
Blogger Tim Wirth said...

If this is indeed Rich Ive got to say that reaching the world for Christ is what evry Christian should do.
The way we do that is to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Rick Warren your pastor did not do that on your show.
Its not a issue of style either.
Rick never preached the gospel according to scripture not once during the program.
If your congregation does not see that there is where the problem lies.
Tim Wirth

10:38 AM  

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