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Former drummer for Gary Lewis and The Playboys and The Coasters. Tim has also played with Paul Baloche, Lincoln Brewster, Darlene Zscech and Hillsongs, Jeff Fenholt, SteveCamp among others. Tim founded The Simply Agape Project in 2001 to get free Christian music to the troops. Recordings have been made with Tim, and friends Alex Acuna, Abe Laboriel SR, Justo Almario,Steve Camp , Jared Ming and some wonderful Independant Christian artists.The Somebody Brave CD also features words of encouragment to the soldiers from Pastors, Moms, Dads, and Lt Col Brian Birdwell a Pentegon 9/11 survivor Tim is married to Donna Wirth and has four children Alan 25,Steven 23, Brittany 22, Bethany 21. Tim has played in numerous churchs as well as shows on TBN. Tim has also performed on JCTV on the show Generation Worship featuring worship leader Jared Ming. Tim has a book published worldwide titled "Pass The Plate And Let Us Prey" (My Search For Black and White Christianity in a Gray Nation)

Tuesday, September 27, 2005

Becoming A Purpose Driven Resistor- Learning To Just Say No!!

Why even be a Purpose Driven Resistor?
Isn't Rick Warren doing some great things for God?
Why fight the Purpose Driven Life? Look how many books the guy has sold. Shouldn't we just leave this alone and if its not of God it will go away (The Gamaliel excuse Acts 5:35-39 which is what many Christians quote if they don't have the guts to act or speak against something that is not of the Lord Jesus-what about Buddhism and Hinduism-is that of God since its still around?-ask anyone who quotes that verse that question).

The first and best way to fight this movement is to pray. Pray that God will send a new hunger for His word among Christians. The best way to fight Rick Warrens man made movement is to get people to read the Bible and ask the Holy Spirit to lead them into all truth. If people compare Ricks teaching to scriptural teaching many will see that Emperor Rick is naked.

Problem 1 Rick Warren does not rightly divide the word of God. Ricks uses of multiple translations was my first red flag on purpose driven anything. I knew at that point that Rick picked and choosed scripture to make his point.

Problem 2 Rick Warren constantly contradicts himself-Ive posted on this so scroll down and read the other articles. Here are a couple gems I found that may be of interest to you concerning this subject. The first one is from the man who profoundly influenced Rick namely Rober Schuller
The following quote is from a two hour interview with Michael Horton on The White Horse Inn radio program, Nov. 1992 (re-aired Aug. 10, 1997).

HORTON: Of course we would say that that the dual nature of Christ is a mystery but not a contradiction.SCHULLER: It is a contradiction, but you know what? Contradictions are ultimate points of creativity... end quote

Just something to think about. And when I did a search on the definition of contradiction I came up with this other gem from the Hegel glossary.
Contradiction". . . the dialectic asserts that, when A is any category, except the Absolute Idea, whatever is A may be, and indeed must be, not-A also. . . . The dialectic does not reject [the] law [of contradiction]. An unresolved contradiction is, for Hegel as for every one else, a sign of error. The relation of thesis and antithesis derives its whole meaning from the synthesis, which follows them . . . . In fact, so far is the dialectic from denying the law of contradiction, that it is especially based on it. The contradictions are the cause of the dialectic process. But they can only be this if they are received as marks of error. . . . Truth consists, not of contradictions, but of moments which, if separated, would be contradictions, but which in their synthesis are reconciled and consistent." J.M.E. McTaggart, Studies in the Hegelian Dialectic § 8.
To learn more about the Hagelian Dialectic Paul Proctor and Berit have some great articles.

Ricks message is self centered-PDL starts out with "Its not about you" and then centers the rest of the book on you. The Bible does not teach us to be lovers of self. Ricks whole movement is self centered and focused on man instead of God.

What do you think church should be like?

What kind of music do you like?

Ricks materials will make you think more about your self and your needs instead of God and worshipping God in spirit and in truth..
Its a very selfish movement.

Look at some of the fruit of the Purpose Driven movement
Amber Frey
This is a quote from my local newspaper the Modesto Bee
When first flipping on "Amber Frey: Witness for the Prosecution," you might think you've stumbled across an infomercial for the bestselling book "The Purpose Driven Life."
A quote from the spiritual self-help tome opens the CBS TV movie about Scott Peterson's ex-girlfriend and references to it are peppered throughout the two-hour drama.
Amber is now doing speaking engagements.

Ashley Smith
Smith's book will be released next week and will disclose that during the ordeal she gave him more than purpose. She also gave him methamphetamines. He initially asked her for marijuana, but since she was out of that drug, she supplied him with another.
Smith later told reporters how she had read Nicholas chapters from The Purpose Driven Life and she became an instant Christian celebrity. She quickly cashed in with a book and movie deal. She is also on the speaking circuit.
And of course there is the fruit of Richard Abanes unofficial spokesman for Rick Warren.

When you have a man made movement this is the fruit it will produce.
The most important reason to regect Rick Warren and his materials is because Rick denies Jesus Christ by not mentioning Jesus in articles and not telling the true gospel in articles like the Ladies Home Journal article. On the basis of this article alone we need to treat Rick like a unbeliever.

So what do you do when purpose driven comes to your church.
1.Educate people on how PDL and Rick Warrens teaching conflict with Gods word.
2. Don't sign anything. Ive made it a practice not to sign anything in church-no membership agreements, not anything. We are already memebers of the Body of Christ if you are saved. No signature only belief in the saving gospel of Jesus Christ.
Rick and his gang has all kind of things for you to sign. Let your yes be yes and no mean no.
good link to articles

3.I think its really awful what Rick Warren will be doing in Rwanda do you think the people of Rwanda will have a choice to accept or reject Ricks man centered teaching? If you think they will have a choice once PDL is in place your wrong.
4. Do you want your church to end up like this-no matter how many people show up for services.

If you think thats ok-well pass the cool aid I guess.

Rick Warren is apostate and I believe Ricks movement is a part of the great falling away spoke of in 2Thess 2:3
Rick is not a pastor or a teacher no matter what he has on his name tag. Rick is a business man and a very, very good one at that. Rick Warren networks, uses group think, cell groups the whole ball of wax better than anyone that has come along except for maybe his false teacher buddy Paul Yonggi Cho. But Rick is part of a much bigger scheme I think. He is just one of many players to form the apostate church of the end times.

Rick Warren needs to step down as pastor of Saddleback church and confess that he was wrong and his reformation was made from his own flesh, and encourage people to burn the materials he has put out.
Rick then needs to ask Jesus Christ to be His Lord and Savior.
Rick then needs to take some time away to seek Gods will for his life.

I would encourage you to continue to pray Gods will in all this.
Be smart.
Most of all get people to read the Bible for themselves. Turn people not toward PDL but toward the word of God.
Rick Warren and his five examples for a healthy church no where does it encourage reading the Bible for yourselves (apart from PD study materials)
Maybe its time to put all the devotionals back on the shelf.
Then devote yourself to the reading of Gods word.

Is the church really growing because of Willow Creek, Saddleback etc..?
Nope attendance in the states is down we are just playing musical church chairs.

But there will always be a remenent.

Good website to go to if you are threatned by the Purpose Driven Phantom Menance


Blogger B.J. Price said...

Fight the PDL movement? Why would I want to do that? Look at the people’s lives that are being changed by the power of God. Look at the marriages being restored. Look at the men and women committing their life to ministry and missions.

I find it hard to believe that you deny that good fruit that has come from the PDL book and "movement."

Sure everyone has critics, but the good fruit is overwhelming. Were not just talking about a little good fruit, but countless 1000's of believers have been challenged in their walk with God to know Him more through studying His word and building accountable relationships with other Christians in small groups. Not to mention the ministry that has taken place by those same believers discovering their S.H.A.P.E. (spiritual Gifts, Heart, Abilities, Personality, and Experiences all to help them find their place of ministry in the local church)

It's terribly unfortunate that you cannot support the work of a Christian brother because of secondary issues such as Bible translation.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I believe telling as many people as possible that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the Life is the primary issue.

1:09 AM  
Blogger Tim Wirth said...

Jesus is the Way and the Truth and the Life. So why would Rick not even mention him in his Ladies Home Journel article "Learning to Love Yourself."Instead Rick states "God accepts us uncondionally." If that is truth why did God have to send Jesus to die for our sins. And in quoting numbers the Mormons have those as well and do lots of good things.
I also find that PDL does not teach you to study God's word but to study PDL materials. Warren himself takes scripture out of context many times in PDL to suit and state Rick Warrens purposes.
As for SHAPE here is a good article to read on that
I do not support Rick Warren not only because he uses so many Bible translations but that Rick does not know how to rightly divide the word of God.Rick bends scripture and wraps it around his purposes instead of Gods.
I do agree with your statement
"but I believe telling as many people as possible that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the Life is the primary issue."
I agree with you on that.
And Rick doesnt do that.
Rick preaches a generic God often in public. Ive seen Rick several times on TV and read most all his articles that he has been allowed to write in secular magazines. He seldom mentions or lifts up the name of Jesus.Rick plays to the crowd and has dumbed down Christianity at large by encouraging entertaining unbelievers instead of lifting up the name of Jesus. Read page 291 of Purpose Driven Church.
Ric Warren and Bill Hybels have both been very successful in making the church look like the world. The Bible disagrees with that premise.And tells us not to love the world. Matter a fact if we do love the world that makes us a enemy of God.
Rick is all about Rick-not Jesus.
I also do not call Rick a Christian brother even though I do pray for the man.
I do however respect your right to disagree with my posts
Tim Wirth

1:57 AM  
Blogger Dave Norris said...

"SPEAK TO US SMOOTH THINGS, PROPHECY DECEITS"- ISAIAH 30:10. "Note those who cause divisions and offenses CONTRARY TO THE DOCTRINE WHICH YOU HAVE LEARNED AND AVOID THEM"- ROMANS 16:17. Warren and his ilk are serving their own belly and not the way the Book of Acts promoted ONLY the word of God to build His church. Their smooth words and flattering speech ARE deceving the minds of the simple, and My people love to have it so (Jeremiah 5:31). Yes, an astonishing and horrible thing HAS been committed in our land (Jeremiah 5:30).

10:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rev. Price,

Your pragmatic response only shows me the shallowness of your understanding of what it means to be transformed by the Word of God. The damage the PDL movement and the philosophy of the Warren's method in the Purpose Driven Church exhibit a lack of true Christian love which is painful to watch and more painful to experience. I am a witness

5:23 PM  

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