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Former drummer for Gary Lewis and The Playboys and The Coasters. Tim has also played with Paul Baloche, Lincoln Brewster, Darlene Zscech and Hillsongs, Jeff Fenholt, SteveCamp among others. Tim founded The Simply Agape Project in 2001 to get free Christian music to the troops. Recordings have been made with Tim, and friends Alex Acuna, Abe Laboriel SR, Justo Almario,Steve Camp , Jared Ming and some wonderful Independant Christian artists.The Somebody Brave CD also features words of encouragment to the soldiers from Pastors, Moms, Dads, and Lt Col Brian Birdwell a Pentegon 9/11 survivor Tim is married to Donna Wirth and has four children Alan 25,Steven 23, Brittany 22, Bethany 21. Tim has played in numerous churchs as well as shows on TBN. Tim has also performed on JCTV on the show Generation Worship featuring worship leader Jared Ming. Tim has a book published worldwide titled "Pass The Plate And Let Us Prey" (My Search For Black and White Christianity in a Gray Nation)

Friday, October 13, 2006

Making the church like the world

Steve Camp had a really good article on Ingrids site today
(The link to it is at the bottom of this article.)

We cant expect the world to act like the church because they have not been saved so they can only act within their own nature.
I dont get all bent when Walmart waves a rainbow flag or anything like that because Walmart is not a Christian company.
We have believed this lie that America is a Christian nation.
Now give me a second to explain.
I do love living in this country and enjoy the freedom our brave troops and police bring here.
It still doesnt mean we are a Christian country or we can reclaim that, or if there is anything left to proclaim.
We can still and must preach the gospel though.
I do believe that many of our founders were Christians and that many of our original laws were based on Judeo-Christian belief and thats great.
I also believe that we used to be a more moral country in general.
But remember the roaring 20's, the free love of the 60's etc..
Sin was still all over but it was hidden.
Now its just out in the open what was once kept in secret.
I believe we can change people when we preach the gospel and they accept Christ as their Lord and Savior.
The bigger problem here is now do to the efforts of guys like Rick Warren and Bill Hybels we have made the church like the world in order to attract the world.
Doesnt the Bible state in 1 John 15 "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
verse 16
"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the father but is of the world."

Scripture very simply points out we are not to love the world and then explains why
but yet circus churches like Saddleback thrive on feeding your flesh by all the visual they bombard you with at a service.
Just because you Christianize something doesnt it make it Christian.
It still appeals to the lust of the eyes.
With the mega church how many folks would they keep if they had a service with no music.
No treats and Starbucks.
(And by the way how much profit do you think the church puts into the Starbucks company each year? Scary even to thing about this. Im sure Starbucks will use the money to preach the gospel thoughm huh.)
Anway how many folks would they keep without the eartly show meeting perhaps in a open field?
Not many- that would sort sheep and goats quick.
My point here is that we make ourselves enemies of God by bringing the world and its methods into the church.
I do believe Rick Warren is a enemy of God no matter how many are in attendance at Saddleback as well as how many good works Rick does.

Here is a quote from a Berit Kjos article-
""The first Reformation clarified what we believe. This reformation is all about how we act and operate in the world. It involves the key components of purpose, decentralization, lay mobilization, use of technology, and continuous learning. Churches that change are thriving and growing more effective. Churches that refuse to change will miss the reformation, and are dying."[14] --Rick Warren

Not true! God's uncompromising and eternal Church can never die! As Jesus, the head of His Church, told His disciples, "My kingdom is not of this world." Nor are His followers "of the world!" Yet, He sends us "into the world" so that we, "speaking the truth in love,"[15] may demonstrate His truth and love (not man's pragmatic ideals) to all who will hear.

"I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.... Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth." John 17:14,17

End of quote here is the article link.

Folks do you think the world hates us as it hated Jesus?
Scripture clearly states the world will hate us as well.
Does the world hate our mega churches?

I would say that the world pretty much loves Rick Warren.

Did you ever take the time to wonder why?

Again the Bible teaches that if we are of Christ the world will hate us.
And I say that is pretty much a historical fact.
And hey Im not looking for adventure either but the Bible teaches what it teaches.
And its Words are always true.

Here is a link to The Steve Camp article on Ingrids Slice site


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