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Former drummer for Gary Lewis and The Playboys and The Coasters. Tim has also played with Paul Baloche, Lincoln Brewster, Darlene Zscech and Hillsongs, Jeff Fenholt, SteveCamp among others. Tim founded The Simply Agape Project in 2001 to get free Christian music to the troops. Recordings have been made with Tim, and friends Alex Acuna, Abe Laboriel SR, Justo Almario,Steve Camp , Jared Ming and some wonderful Independant Christian artists.The Somebody Brave CD also features words of encouragment to the soldiers from Pastors, Moms, Dads, and Lt Col Brian Birdwell a Pentegon 9/11 survivor Tim is married to Donna Wirth and has four children Alan 25,Steven 23, Brittany 22, Bethany 21. Tim has played in numerous churchs as well as shows on TBN. Tim has also performed on JCTV on the show Generation Worship featuring worship leader Jared Ming. Tim has a book published worldwide titled "Pass The Plate And Let Us Prey" (My Search For Black and White Christianity in a Gray Nation)

Friday, June 20, 2008

Fools for Christ- or just Fools by Mike Oppenheimer

On June 9th 1994 - John Hinkle on TBN predicted evil would be ripped from the world, everyone was excited. It will be the most cataclysmic event since the resurrection. It would be the day the son of man is revealed. Referencing Isa.25:6-9 for the literal coming of Christ. "I was awaken and the lord spoke to me in the most awesome voice I heard it outside and inside and as I sat up he said on Thursday June the 9th I will rip the evil out of this world."

14 years later, almost to the day, Todd Bentley reads a prophecy for their Sunday night meeting (8th June) revival meeting from Wendy Alec of GOD TV that Jesus is going to personally

Jesus apparently said this to Wendy Alec video

“The Lord just spoke to me and said "This IS what will happen tomorrow night!"
The King and the King's anonting falls tomorrow night. The 8th of June, the anointing of the King of Glory falls. Jesus said, "I am coming in PERSON." The King is coming in person.
I sense so strongly there will be a personal divine visitation of the Lamb of God, the Lord Jesus Christ to the revival tomorrow night.
He will come in the clouds, in His chariot, surrounded by a great angelic host because the great honoring of the Lamb of God, The King of Glory is coming to visit Lakeland, to visit the revival, to visit the outpouring.
The devil trembles with that knowledge. For tomorrow the King of Glory sets foot upon the stage in divine, personal, one-to-one visitation.” -underline mine-

Todd reads this prophecy to the audience, which is not unlike Ruth Heflins prophesy to Benny Hinn before she died. (www.letusreason.org/b.hinn3.htm). “He is going to appear physically in one of our crusades in the next few months” ( March 29th, 2000) Hinn also said: I'm prophesying this Jesus Christ the Son of God is about to appear physically in some Church's and some meetings and to many of his people.” Maybe Bentley's meeting would be the fulfillment of this because he certainly missed showing up at Hinn’s meeting.

Bentley explains about ‘the prophetic’ and justifies the prophecy:

“...though I'm open to a... the Lord can appear... I mean I've seen the Lord. I am not suggesting there is going to be a physical, flesh, Jesus Christ on the platform. I hope you understand, we're talking about in atmosphere, we're talking about in spiritual experience, we're talking about in impartation. Now, now, Roy, if tonight's and last night's worship is any indication that something is changing in the realm of the glory,... something about the King of Glory,oh God, we want to set a place up in the throne of our hearts more than anything else for you to come and visit... Come, on. Who wants to have the King come in His Glory? C'mon...

Bentley may not be suggesting his coming physically but Alec certainly did: ‘I am coming in person to Lakeland. I am coming in the clouds, surrounded by chariots and a host of angels. I will set foot on stage in a divine personal one on one visitation to the revival.’

When Jesus comes in the clouds he is coming back to earth and that is the end of the world system as we know it. But Bentleys take on this is not the biblical one.

Bentley: ‘I am not suggesting there is going to be a physical, flesh, Jesus Christ on the platform... we're talking about in atmosphere, we're talking about in spiritual experience, we're talking about in impartation.’

Bentley changes her meaning of the statement because now this Jesus is obligate to show up to others instead of to him separately as he claims he so often has done.

Wendy Alec qualified how Jesus is to come in person- not in spirit, which would be different than any other night. “I am coming in person." The King is coming in person. “a personal divine visitation of the Lamb of God,. ”He will come in the clouds, in His chariot, surrounded by a great angelic host” “tomorrow the King of Glory sets foot upon the stage in divine, personal, one-to-one visitation.”

Bentley has an interesting reinterpretation, but why can’t Jesus come physically- Patricia King said that he did to Bentley before. In fact, she said that Jesus appeared in his human body just as he walked with on earth before he resurrected (Patricia King video with Bentley http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdwBrB8cCOk&feature=related approx. 1 minute into her spiel)

Patricia King “During that time he had this visitation of the Lord where he actually saw the lord come out of the heaven and appear to him, just like he appeared on the earth, y’know sometimes when you have visions of Jesus like you see in the Bible, you see him in all the brilliance and heavenly glory, and in his glorified state, but when Jesus was in the earth he was a man, in fact, he was so normal people did not recognize him as the Son of God….. and Todd was explaining to me that when Jesus came to him this time he came as he would have look as he would in the earth just like a man…”

Putting aside this not being the reason they did not recognize him as the Son of God, King then proceeds to offer the audience for Jesus to come to them, just as he did to Todd. This is promoting contact with apparitions for this Jesus is NOT the true Jesus of the Bible. They want us to believe that Jesus reversed himself in nature- became unglorified, became mortal again just to visit Todd.
Bentley tells the story that Jesus who came as the Son of man; wasn't the King of glory; wasn't in His resurrection glory” (transcript- http://www.christianresearchservice.com/ToddBentley1.htm)

So then how did Todd recognize him? By this spirit telling him he was Jesus?!?

Here is what the Bible says about all this- 1Timothy 3:16-4:1 Jesus was “Received up in glory.” Jesus is called “the Lord of glory” (James 2:1.) When he appeared to Paul He was in his glory (who states emphatically in 1 Cor.15:8 that he was the last to see him because he was chosen to be appointed.)

Since he is forever the high priest, his glory is forever also for it accompanies his human nature that is unable to die again. the Son who has been perfected forever (Hebrews 7:28) His glory is forever because his dominion is forever. Revelation 1:18 “I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore.”

For those who make an excuse that he did not come in his body in Bentley’s meeting but instead spiritually, invisibly in attendance; are they saying – it was not Jesus with them each night? Then why say he will finally show up, with his anointing too? So where was Jesus that night? Was he detained at another meeting? Did his Jesus forget his appointment? Did he go to the wrong address? Where is the Jesus that was to show up. Because it certainly did not happen the way it was prophesied.

The Bible tells us that Jesus is in his body forever and is presently sitting at the right hand of God which is located in heaven. So it becomes ludicrous fro anyone to prophesy such an event. This isn’t Jesus that will appear in glory but a deceiving spirit called Jesus, for they are prophesying what the Bible describes as the second coming of Christ in a different way

This is what it will be like when he comes:

Matthew 25:31 "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him.”

Colossians 3:4-5 makes it clear “When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory”

The Second Coming and glory has a different meaning to Latter Rain adherents. Everyone needs to understand what Bentley and others mean is not what the Bible means. Some have not used their Bible for so long that it is officially dormant. The Bible tells us Revelation 1:7 “He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him.”

The real authentic Jesus said in Mt.24:23: "Then if anyone says to YOU, look here is the Christ! or 'There! Do NOT believe them." Why? Because this is not the biblical Second Coming of Christ where every eye will see Jesus return literally in the clouds at the end of the age, theirs is ’spiritual’ Second Coming of Christ.” That is why this is “another Jesus” being presented to the church.

People would rather believe the false advertisements of these mendacious storytellers of the supernatural,

like the dumb down liberals that disbelieve in absolute truth and accept everything that the media tells them as the truth, they believe their stories.

These revivalists demoralize doctrine in the church, having her cast off the anchor to the word to float aimlessly on the moving tide of experience.

Why are we, the church, allowing the church to be led by false teachers? Why?

5 Comments:

Blogger Caron said...

Justin Peters spoke about this on Way of the Master... See: filesfromtoni - http://filesfromtoni.blogspot.com/
Justin speaks out on the WoF movement and is considered by some to be an expert on it... At http://www.justinpeters.org you can click on "demo" and see a presentation he gave to Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary on this... It is a brief overview of his seminar called, "A Call for Discernment." He spoke at my church and comes highly recommended by my pastor, Dr. John MacArthur.

5:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sorry for commenting here when this has nothing to do with this post but Gary Lewis and The Playboys are playing in Lancaster Pa. in two weeks and I wanted to know if you are still with them? I'd love to meet you in person.

Mike and Sharon

5:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

-A pastor pronounced "healed" by Todd Bentley Dies 8 Days Later.
-Justin Peters contacted 7 people who went up on stage and said they felt the power of God go through them, but Todd Bentley proclaimed them healed, and none of the 7 are any better, there is no change in their physical condition.

6:44 PM  
Blogger Tim Wirth said...

Hi Mike and Sharon: I havenet played with Gary since the mid 80's. It was a very interesting time of my life and I made a lot of really good music with Gary Lewis. He was great to work for. I will on ocassion run into gary in my travels as well. I will see Gary as well when he plays here in Piqua nexet week.
Peace
Tim Wirth

10:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tim, I think the Lord is allowing these false teachers in for His purpose of purifying His church. Those who love the lie and refuse the truth will be deceived. Real believers will love the truth and defend it.

All this supernatural stuff is very interesting to me because I have an unsaved neighbor who claims that spirits talk to her. She believes in "jesus" and "god" as well. There is very little difference in what she is telling me and some of what is going on in so-called Christian churches.

3:29 PM  

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