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Former drummer for Gary Lewis and The Playboys and The Coasters. Tim has also played with Paul Baloche, Lincoln Brewster, Darlene Zscech and Hillsongs, Jeff Fenholt, SteveCamp among others. Tim founded The Simply Agape Project in 2001 to get free Christian music to the troops. Recordings have been made with Tim, and friends Alex Acuna, Abe Laboriel SR, Justo Almario,Steve Camp , Jared Ming and some wonderful Independant Christian artists.The Somebody Brave CD also features words of encouragment to the soldiers from Pastors, Moms, Dads, and Lt Col Brian Birdwell a Pentegon 9/11 survivor Tim is married to Donna Wirth and has four children Alan 25,Steven 23, Brittany 22, Bethany 21. Tim has played in numerous churchs as well as shows on TBN. Tim has also performed on JCTV on the show Generation Worship featuring worship leader Jared Ming. Tim has a book published worldwide titled "Pass The Plate And Let Us Prey" (My Search For Black and White Christianity in a Gray Nation)

Tuesday, July 01, 2008

This Is Rich

Actually it wasn't Rich but Richard Abanes self proclaimed apologist who recently defined the word mentor for on another website.

Here was the definition of mentor-

MENTOR - “A wise and trusted counselor or teacher.” “An individual who provides independent support and advice to enable the candidate to realize their full potential and help establish their career.” “The critical role and responsibility assumed by an experienced and wise educator who agrees to help, build a relationship with, and facilitate the professional growth of one or more proteges. Mentors are to be models of effective teaching and of a very visible desire to continue to grow professionally, every day, and throughout the career.” “A trusted counsellor or guide.” “Person who acts as an adviser to a learner, especially used in work-place learning environments. The activity is called mentoring.”

It has been asked why I tie Rick Warren in with Todd Bentley. Well they both share the same mentor and teacher which is C. Peter Wagner.

Rick listed C Peter Wagner as his mentor here-

Rick Warren wrote his doctoral dissertation at Fuller Seminary on his church growth ideas. His mentor was C. Peter Wagner! Here is a copy of the FirstSearch Dissertations Abstracts listing:



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Title: NEW CHURCHES FOR A NEW GENERATION: CHURCH PLANTING TO REACH BABY BOOMERS. A CASE STUDY: THE SADDLEBACK VALLEY COMMUNITY CHURCH (CALIFORNIA)
Author(s): WARREN, RICHARD DUANE
Degree: D.MIN.
Year: 1993
Pages: 00413
Institution: FULLER THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY, DOCTOR OF MINISTRY PROGRAM; 0790
Advisor: Mentor: C. PETER WAGNER

You can read more on Rick Warrens connection to C. Peter Wagner and other false teachers here http://www.letusreason.org/Popteac23.htm

Now it will be interesting to see if Richard Abanes will try to redefine the word mentor again since his pal Rick listed C. Peter Wagner as his mentor.

I'm sure though Abanes won't touch this though.

The same way he doesnt touch Warren's association with David (Paul) Yonggi Cho, Ken Blanchard and others that can't be easily explained away or spun.

And Richard complains when other's don't answer his questions.

Richard never answers the hard question's.

So thats kinda like the pot calling the kettle black.

Talk about a lack of discernment.

Peace

Tim

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