The Emergent Church is a form of paganism

Great article I found on the internet from a interview with Pastor John MacArthur.
Keep in mind that self proclaimed apoligist and unofficial spokesperson for Rick Warren-Richard Abanes has gone on record defending the emergent church here.

http://tallskinnykiwi.typepad.com/tallskinnykiwi/2008/02/hot-on-the-bl-1.html

Its interesting that Richard Abanes proclaims himself a authority on cults, religions and paganism. But the facts seem to keep eluding Abanes.
Most of all the Facts on the Emergent Church and Ken Blanchard to name a few while Richard concentrates on things outside of the camp such obvious error as Ekhart Tolle.


Here is the article and interview with Pastor MacArthur-
Source -http://www.crosswalk.com/root/pastors/11560481/page0/


MacArthur: The Emergent Church is a Form of Paganism
Paul Edwards
"The Paul Edwards Program," WLQV Detroit

Paul Edwards, host of “The Paul Edwards Program” on WLQV in Detroit, interviewed pastor-teacher of Grace Community Church John MacArthur about the emerging church movement in America. Paul begins the interview by asking Pastor John to respond to a radio interview with prominent emerging church leader Doug Pagitt. In the clip from October 22, 2007, Pagitt denied that there is a place of eternal conscious torment for persons who die apart from faith in Jesus Christ.

Paul Edwards: Help me with this—the emerging church prides itself on conversation, having a conversation, so let’s have a conversation. How can you have a conversation with someone, when you’re not even speaking the same language?

John MacArthur: Let me just cut to the chase on this one: [Doug] Pagitt is a Universalist. What he was saying is real simple. He was saying when you die your spirit goes to God and judgment means that whatever was not right about you, whatever was bad about you, whatever was substantially lacking about you, gets all resolved. It doesn’t matter whether you’re a Buddhist, a Hindu or a Muslim—doesn’t matter whether you’re a Christian really; we’re all going to end up in this wonderful, warm and fuzzy relationship with God. That’s just classic universalism.

I think you know it’s most helpful, Paul, to go back and kind of recast how we view these people. He’s not a pastor; he’s not a Christian; that’s not a church. When you call yourself a Christian and you call yourself a pastor and you say you have a church, all of that has to be—to be legitimate—defined biblically. And if it’s not, that’s not a church and you’re not a pastor and you’re not even a Christian.

What you have here is a form of false religion … A form of paganism that basically wants to be thought of as Christian because it gains a certain ground. But the underlying bottom line of this whole emerging movement is they don’t believe in any doctrine, they don’t believe in any theology. They don’t want to be forced to interpret anything in scripture a certain way and the out is, “Well the Bible isn’t clear anyway.” In other words, we don’t know what it means; we can’t know what it means.

Brian McLaren says nobody has ever gotten it right—we haven’t got it right now—so let’s not make an issue out of anything. Let’s just be open to everything. Let’s not take a position on theology, or for that matter, on morality or behavior because, hey, there’s no judgment anyway so we’re all going to end up in God in some ethereal, eternal relationship. And that’s just non-Christian. It is blatantly, flagrantly non-Christian. It’s as non-Christian as any false religion.

Edwards: [When “Emergents” and many seeker-sensitive church advocates say “We do church a certain way,”] it seems to me that they do it by totally ignoring the book of Acts and the Epistles.

MacArthur: I’m going to seem anachronistic if not an outright dinosaur at this point. I believe the church has one function, and that is to guard the truth, to proclaim the truth and to live the truth. So you take the Word of God, you teach it, you proclaim it, you protect it, you defend it, and you live it, and that’s a church. The Word of God rightly divided, rightly understood.

That’s not the idea in a seeker church; that’s not the idea certainly in an emerging church. Everything becomes style and contextualization and everything is built around the manipulation of people’s hot buttons as if we were selling a product like any other product in our culture. This fails to understand that the only real power in the spiritual realm is Divine and that God works His power through His truth, and that’s all that matters.

I think the illusion of success is created by crowds. You’ve probably heard recently that Bill Hybels, who is the guru of the seeker movement, has openly confessed that they did a big survey and found they’ve been doing it wrong.

Edwards: “We made a mistake,” he said.

MacArthur: Yes, we made a mistake. And so, the solution is—one of the lines in the statement was—we gotta get a blank piece of paper and start all over again. That’s exactly the problem. Why do you want a blank piece of paper when you have all kinds of paper full with the Word of God?

Edwards: Right.

MacArthur: If you want a biblical mandate and you want to do ministry biblically, you teach and preach the Word. I don’t think it matters whether you have smoke and mirrors. I don’t think it matters whether you wear a tie, or don’t wear a tie, whether you wear a black T-shirt and holes in your knees or a blue suit. (I think there are reasons to go with the suit rather the grunge approach—of dignity, respect, sober mindedness, seriousness, loftiness, etc, etc.)

At the end of the day, the only thing that matters is that we proclaim the Word of God. Look, I’ve been doing this for so long, and I haven’t changed anything. Contexts come, contexts go; fads come, fads go; styles come, styles go. I just keep doing the same thing. We show up on Sunday morning, we sing a little bit, we pray, we open the Word of God and explain His meaning to the people. The people just keep coming and coming and what I say goes around the world, on radio, and then it gets transferred into 50 languages and books and commentaries because [the Word] knows no boundaries. It knows no cultural restraint, because the Word of God is transcendent.

Edwards: One of the things I get most frustrated about is whenever people like you who are standing for truth point out the error both in the emergent church and in the seeker movement people will immediately run to 1 Corinthians 9 and begin screaming, “You know Paul said, ‘I became all things to all men,’ which means to the grunge I become as grunge, to the Universalist I become as a Universalist.” But in 1 Corinthians 9 Paul isn’t saying that we compromise the message and we become whatever the audience needs us to be in order to make the gospel palatable.

MacArthur: Well, of course not. All he is saying is there’s a foundation in the proclamation of the gospel with the Jew and there’s a different starting point with the Gentile. If I’m going to evangelize a Jew, I’m going to start with the Old Testament because that’s the substantial basis. So every time the Apostle Paul preached to the Jews he started with the Scripture—the Old Testament Scripture. Every time he evangelized Gentiles he started with creation. For example, in Acts 14 and Acts 17 he talks about the unknown God. Who is the unknown God? He’s the God who made everything—that was the foundation.

All he is saying in 1 Corinthians 9 is you must understand the starting point of your audience and here’s the point: ideologically. In other words, how do they think ideologically, philosophically, religiously? What are the ideas, the theories, the viewpoints that they hold? It’s not about identifying with their lifestyle; it’s not about being able to converse about every episode of South Park, every R-rated movie and every Rap song—that’s not it at all.

How do people think religiously, how do they perceive truth?—those are the starting points that Paul was establishing. That’s a far cry from saying that to reach this generation we must do their music, we must dress the way they dress, we must live the way they live, we must be familiar with the baser components of their culture. That’s a million miles from what the Apostle Paul had in mind. He was talking about those things that controlled their thought process and their worldview.

Paul Edwards is the host of The Paul Edwards Program, a columnist and pastor. His program is heard daily on WLQV in Detroit and on godandculture.com. Contact him at paul@godandculture.com.

Purpose Driven is a New Religion

I posted this on my word press blog a couple weeks ago and Richard Abanes (unofficial spokesman for Rick Warren) picked up on it and even provided a link to it from another website in order to mock me I guess.
But I still state if you examine the purpose driven movement in compares to other religions and those that teach a different plan of salvation or a different jesus such as Mormonism and Catholicism.
Mormons preach another jesus plus adds to the Bible in other books such as the Book of Mormon.
The Catholic church teach a different plan of salvation than the rest of Christianity as well as holding the traditions of men on the same level as scripture.
The Purpose Driven Movement is a combination of both there by making it a movement or religion outside of Christianity.
Now I have no hate for Catholics or Mormons. I was raised Catholic and know what the Catholic church's magisterium teaches.

{By the way this is what the magisterium is ""The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the Magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him"}

Look at the many article coming out of Africa on Rick and Kay Warren and purpose driven.
Notice where the focus is.
Is it on Jesus Christ or scripture?
Absolutely not.
Its focus on turning people toward Purpose Driven.
Examine the following quotes.

"Built around the tenets presented in Dr. Warren's best-selling book, The Purpose Driven Life, the government-sponsored campaign involves church services, study groups, newspaper advertisements and the distribution of hundreds of thousands of free copies of the book translated into Kinyarwanda."

My comments (Notice Bible's were not distributed but copies of Rick Warrens own book Purpose Driven Life. Where is the focus here? You decide.)
Quote
"The majority of the country was Catholic before the genocide. Many sought sanctuary in their churches when the killing started, only to be killed in their pews, sometimes betrayed by their clergy. (A priest was convicted last month for instructing killers on the best way to bulldoze a church containing 1,500 parishioners.)"

"In the aftermath, Catholics began looking elsewhere, spurring an increase in evangelical churches across the country. Indeed, congregations are springing up faster than churches can safely be built to house them -- Kigali city council recently closed nine churches for failing to meet basic building standards."

"People didn't lose their faith in God, but they did lose their denomination," Dr. Warren said. "They left the Catholic Church, but they joined a Baptist or Anglican or Pentecostal church. There has been rapid growth over the past 14 years."

My comment
(Notice that Warren holds the Catholic denomination on the same page as other Christian denominations. There has been many question from serious apologists of where Warren stands on Catholicism. This quote makes it very plain where Warren stands. This is error on Warren's part concerning the theology and doctrine taught by the Catholic Church. Even the pope would say we are not on the same page.
I believe the pope used the word anathema.

I provide the following quote "All Catholics are expected to worship the host (Eucharistic Adoration of the transformed wafer), and church leadership says it is anathema (to be accursed) to reject this teaching....
source http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/index.php?p=738&more=1&c=1)

Rick Warren article source-
source http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=477461

Notice in the article Jesus Christ is not mentioned. Now I know Rick didnt write the article but again the focus is not on Jesus so why mention Him anyway?

The focus is on Rick Warren and Purpose Driven.

Notice how this is Rwanda campaign is government sponsored.
What happens to the people who dont want to get aboard the Purpose Driven cho-cho- train?

The bottom line is Rwanda doesnt need purpose driven it needs Jesus Christ.

More to come
Tim Wirth
For more information on Rick Warren and Africa check out the following link
http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/raceforafrica2.pdf

Points to Ponder- Rick Warren, Richard Abanes, Ken Blanchard, Psychics, Yoga by Bud Press

Christian Research Service

POINTS to PONDER

April 26, 2008



Rick Warren, Richard Abanes, Ken Blanchard, Psychics, Yoga





> Friends to the end?



Richard Abanes' book, Rick Warren and the Purpose that Drives Him, was published July 2005. On page 15, Abanes tells of an interview between he and Warren, which took place on May 4, 2005.



During the interview on pages 28-29, Abanes records Rick Warren stating that, "Well, I do know Ken Blanchard. But we're not close friends--no closer friends than half-a-dozen other celebrities" (emp. added, book on file).



However, in his February 19-20, 2005 article, "The Skills of Leadership: Leading Like Jesus Part 3," Rick Warren stated that,



"My good friend Ken Blanchard who wrote The One Minute Manager and a bunch of other books he always says, Catch people doing something right. We always do the opposite. We catch them doing something wrong. But catch people doing something right and affirm it" (Pastors.com, click HERE for PDF file, page 12, bold emp. added).



> Ken Blanchard's network of psychic friends



By now, most of CRS's readers should know that New Ager Ken Blanchard is a member of the New Age Hoffman Institute ( http://www.hoffmaninstitute.org/ ), and sits on the Hoffman Institute's Advisory Council--along with Sonia Choquette ("A third generation psychic") and Margot Anand ("Founder of Sky Dancing Tantra International," http://www.hoffmaninstitute.org/about/directors-advisors/advisors.html ).



In the following two paragraphs, Bob Hoffman established the Hoffman Institute, and Ken Blanchard is a graduate of the Hoffman Quadrinity Process:



"It is now 33 years since an American psychic named Bob Hoffman blended his own channelled and intuited insights with the psychological teachings of the noted neurologist and psychiatrist Dr Siegfried Fischer to create the Hoffman Quadrinity Process" ["A Psychological De-Tox...from Odyssey in Quest of Soul October 2000," http://www.quadrinity.com/articles/article3a.htm ]



"The list of Hoffman Process graduates is impressive and sometimes surprising. It includes the likes of international management guru Ken Blanchard and Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell" [Ibid.]



Ellen Tadd is a "Clairvoyant Counselor" whose specialties include: contact with spirit guides, karma exploration, reincarnation, meditation, and chakra reinterpretation ( http://ellentadd.com ). Of Tadd's book, Death and Letting Go, Ken Blanchard stated:



"'What Ellen says about death and dying is very helpful, no matter what your faith or religion. Her book not only encourages us to deal with death now, but helps us consider how we live day in and day out too'" (Montague Press, "Acclaim for Death and Letting Go," http://www.montaguepress.com/reviews.shtml ).



Bob Garner is billed as the "premier magic motivational speaker, magician motivational speaker and mentalist motivational speaker" ( http://www.bobgarner.com ).



Furthermore, "In addition to helping your audience achieve business and personal success, Garner-who is also recognized as an expert on ESP and psychic phenomenon-will discuss the unknown powers of the mind such as clairvoyance, psychometry, telekinesis, and more" ( http://www.bobgarner.com/radio_tv.html ).



Garner is the author of the 2005 book, ESP: Untap Your "Psychic" Potential

http://www.bobgarner.com/esp_book.html, and the co-author of Blueprint for Success: Proven Strategies for Success and Survival--slated for release in summer 2008. The book is advertised on Garner's website, along with the following:



"Bob Garner has joined forces with Stephen Covey (The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People) and Ken Blanchard (The One Minute Manager) to create a new book called, 'Blueprint for Success-Proven Strategies for Success and Survival'" ( http://www.bobgarneraudio.com/ ).



> Yoga and a smile



AIM Beyond "provides health and wellness services offering: life enriching workshops and trainings, healing retreats, health coaching and intuitive readings, yoga instruction, and bodywork: massage therapy and energy healing sessions" ( http://www.aimbeyond.com/index.html ).



Alison I. Miller, founder of AIM Beyond and Maui Yoga Experiences, has been educated in Kinesiology, and received certifications in massage therapy and energy medicine. She "received her certified yoga instructor designation from Ashtanga master, Tim Miller" ("Biography," http://www.aimbeyond.com/about/bio.html ).



In addition to Yoga, AIM Beyond specializes in "Health Coaching," which helps the particpant(s) to "achieve balance, fulfillment, and life purpose," and includes, but not limited to "Meditation, Visualization, Biofeedback, Yoga etc." ( http://www.aimbeyond.com/services/coaching.html ).



AIM Beyond offers a comprehensive Yoga package to its individual clients and corporations, and "...skillfully blends a variety of traditional styles (e.g. Hatha, Ashtanga, Iyengar, Anusara) to create a powerful, healing, and energizing experience" ( http://www.aimbeyond.com/services/yoga.html#who ).



Among other businesses and corporations, AIM Beyond's Past Client list includes: The Sierra Club, Maui Lotus Yoga, Yoga Del Mar, Maui Senior Home and, The Ken Blanchard Companies

( http://www.aimbeyond.com/about/client.html ).



AIM Beyond's "TESTIMONIALS" page contains a photo of Ken Blanchard and Alison I. Miller, along with Blanchard's vibrant testimony:



"'Alison is a fabulous person! Every time I see her, I find a woman who is living her life through peace, love, and understanding. She's a gem!'" ( http://www.aimbeyond.com/about/testimonials.html ).



> Meanwhile, back at the Rancho



Dr. Bruce Humphrey is the pastor of Rancho Bernardo Community Presbyterian Church in San Diego, California, where a steady diet of Purpose Driven, Centering Prayer, and Ken Blanchard's Lead Like Jesus Group Studies are served up like cotton candy at a county fair ( http://www.rbcpc.org/ ).



Dr. Humphrey is no stranger to cults and the New Age Movement. Some of his sermons reflect his knowledge on Buddhism, Jehovah's Witnesses, psychics, paganism, occultism, Hinduism, Gnosticism, and evolution (click HERE ).



And, Dr. Humphrey is no stranger to Mormonism. In fact, in his February 8, 2004 online sermon, "Discerning Real Faith," he stated that,



"I don't know what you know about Mormonism. While I believe some Mormons are true Christians, there are some very unusual doctrines in the Mormon religion. While we believe that Jesus is the only Son of God, our Lord and Savior, the teaching of the Latter Day Saints is that Jesus is one among many who worked his way into becoming a god. While we, as Christians, believe that our salvation is based entirely on God's grace given us through Jesus' death and resurrection, they hold that people must supplement Christ's work with their own righteousness" (click HERE ).



But in the same article, Dr. Humphrey stated,



"Years ago I was asked by a nephew to do his wedding. There was an interesting catch. He was marrying a Mormon. He needed to convert to her faith in order for them to have a temple wedding, but he still wanted a Christian wedding as well. They talked to me about how to include his Christian family and her Mormon family and decided to have me do a separate ceremony at their local Mormon church. I agreed."



And why did Dr. Humphrey perform a wedding at the Mormon church? He explains:



"I chose not to focus on our doctrinal differences that day. In my desire to bring both families together, I talked about what is common to all kinds of churches. I spoke about how easy it is for people to simply go through the motions of religion without genuine transformation" (Ibid.).



Finally, in his February 10, 2008 sermon, "Leadership Is Influence," Dr. Humphrey had much to say about Ken Blanchard and his book, Lead Like Jesus:



"This spring we are taking two months to reflect on a book titled Lead Like Jesus. It is co-authored by Ken Blanchard, one of our church members. In fact, Ken will be preaching a message in the middle of this series of sermons" ( click HERE ).



Ken Blanchard is a member of Rancho Bernardo Community Presbyterian Church, a church which offers a one-hour class titled, "Mat-Pilates," which combines "the exercise forms of pilates and yoga with praise music, this one-hour class will engage your mind, body and spirit" (click HERE ).



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Researched & Compiled by:

Bud Press, Director

Christian Research Service

www.christianresearchservice.com



Please report broken links to Steve Muse, Director of Eastern Regional Watch Ministries at http://www.erwm.com/contact.htm .

The New Wave of Apologetics by Tim Wirth

The New Wave of Apologetics
by Tim Wirth

There is a New Wave of Apologetics sweeping through the Body Of Christ for some years now.

But before we see what apologetics is not, let's study and see what it is.

The term apologetics comes from the Greek word, apologia (apologeisthai), which in the New Testament usually refers to an individual’s defense of his conduct (1 Cor. 9:3--sometimes against legal charges, and in Acts 19:33, 22:1, 24:10). In the Acts passages, however, Paul defends himself by defending his message. So in Phil. 1:7, 16, apologia refers explicitly to a defense of the Gospel, and in 1 Pet. 3:15, to a defense of the Christian hope.

Defending the faith, therefore, is a biblical practice. The discipline of apologetics seeks to instruct Christians in such defense. As an analysis of a biblical practice, apologetics is a properly theological discipline. If theology is “the application of Scripture to all areas of life,” then apologetics is “the application of Scripture to unbelief” (Frame, Knowledge of God, 81, 87), including the unbelief that remains in Christian hearts.

From a John Frame article:
My own reading suggests that a “biblical apologetic” would take this general shape: The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge (Prov. 1:7) and wisdom (9:10); indeed, wisdom and knowledge are summed up in Jesus Christ (1 Cor. 1:30, Co. 2:3). Though God is known through his creation, people repress this knowledge (Rom. 1:18-32) until God’s grace renews their minds (Rom. 12:2). The apologist should press upon the non-Christian the evidence that God is clearly revealed in nature. But he should present it in the context of a biblical worldview, with an epistemology reflecting what the Bible says about knowledge. And he should present the Gospel in God’s own authoritative voice, using Scripture’s own arguments (as 1 Cor. 15:1-11) and other arguments that follow scriptural leads. As an example of the latter, when Scripture says that God is revealed in creation, it authorizes us to find evidence in creation to use in apologetic witness (as Acts 14:15-18, 17:22-31). When it says that the events of redemption occurred at specific times and places, it authorizes us to find apologetic resources in the historical study of those times and places (Acts 26:26).
Consider first that I believe that this is the time we are in:

2 Thess 2:3 "3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin[a] is revealed, the son of perdition,

1 Tim 4:1-2 "1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,"

2 Tim 4:3-4 "3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.

Consider now the new wave of apologetics where you don't defend the Christian faith, but defend the faith of others by spinning the Christian faith.
Here is just one example of many, many instances of the new wave of apologetics:

Here is one in defence of Rick Warren.

" Take note of Apologetic Lesson One: Never look at one of anything to build an opinion. Not one word. Not one statement. Not one deed. To ignore this primary lesson in apologetics is to basically commit an error similar to the type of error you would commit by taking one Bible verse out of context. This is especially true, when seeing something that appears to be an anomaly. In scripture we can see this in all the verses wherein God is spoken of as one. But then suddenly, WHAMO!, the New Testament, and we see Jesus being called God. Say Waaaaahh??? Both JW and LDS jump to a conclusion — i.e., Jesus is another God. How wrong is that? Basically, they ignore many other verses and do not think it through to try and see compatibility.

Now, let us take this issue of Warren. We have a very interesting incident that on the surface MIGHT suggest pluralism (if that’s what you’re looking for). Either that, or it is Warren’s endorsement of Judaism (if that’s what you’rel ooking for). Only problem is: these views would be inconsistent, indeed it would contradict, what he has stated both before and afterward. Hmm.

For instance, at pastors.com, we hear him talking about how he forms his Easter message, saying, “As I go through these things, first I sit down, and I start praying. I start thinking about people I know who are going to be there. People I have invited, like my doctor, an atheist Jew who came for Easter. I start thinking: “Now what is going to help this guy know about Christ?” and I will go through that little formula and think about the points for my sermon” (Ministry Toolbox, Issue #221)

But perhaps Warren is talking only about “atheist” Jews. Possible.
But then we these words at pastors.com in an article by Chad Meister: “Having seen the incredible evidence for God’s existence, we’ve narrowed the field considerably. But we still haven’t reached the Christian faith, for there are different kinds of theism, including the three central theistic religions – Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. So how do we go about demonstrating that Christianity is the true theistic religion? Here the Bible plays a central role, and there are several kinds of evidence for both its reliability and its divine inspiration. . . .

Regarding its inspiration, one of the most powerful evidences is Old Testament prophetic claims that are fulfilled in the New Testament. There are dozens of such passages, and what is so amazing is the breadth and specificity of many of them. Not only do they demonstrate that a divine Mind must have been involved, but they also prove that Jesus was the Messiah that the Old Testament predicted, thus nullifying a Judaism, which denies Jesus” (Ministry Toolbox, Issue #279)
Woah! Pretty clear!!!
End of statement-

The one error (among many errors) here is that scripture is not even used in defence of Rick Warren but Warrens own website Ministry Toolbox.

This is the way of the new wave of apologetics.

This is all being used I believe to blur the lines of any and all religions to try to form the false religion of the end times scripture speaks about.

The false religion will need defenders of the new faith which is a hodge podge of religion.

From Tamara Hartzell 'In The Name Of Purpose"
The universal religion with its spiritual transformation is not coming; it is here. The Angel of light's kingdom is gathering together "all men of peace" from "every world religion" "as the embodiment of the emerging Kingdom of God on earth."* In this emerging interfaith kingdom there is:
"One Truth," yet many theologies;
"One God," yet many paths;
"One Church," yet many expressions; and
"One Divine Life," yet many 'little Christs.'

Despite its deceived claims that its message hasn't changed, today's Christianity is embracing the teachings of the counterfeit kingdom. As a result, it is being steadily transitioned away from Jesus Christ, the Rock of Offence, to the universal "Christ" who broadly accepts people within all religions/faiths. Its purposeful pursuit of unity with the world truly is uniting today's Christianity with the world.

"The religion of the future will be a general converging of religions in a universal Christ that will satisfy all ... In the end, it is hoped that the Christian will become a better Christian and each Hindu a better Hindu." —Jesuit theologian Father Jacques Dupuis, at the 2003 interfaith congress "The Future of God"*
"The Christ has no religious barriers in His consciousness. It matters not to Him of what faith a man may call himself." —Alice Bailey & Djwhal Khul*

"I happen to know people who are followers of Christ in other religions." —Rick Warren*

"He ['the Christ'] inaugurated the new era and ... the new world religion began to take form. The word 'religion' concerns relationship ..." —Alice Bailey & Djwhal Khul*

"I have known many people who believe in the Messiah of Jesus, regardless of what religion they are, because they believe in him. It's about a relationship, not a religion." —Rick Warren*

"The day is dawning when all religions win [sic] be regarded as emanating from one great spiritual source; all will be seen as unitedly providing the one root out of which the universal world religion will inevitably emerge. Then there will be neither Christian nor heathen, neither Jew nor Gentile, but simply one great body of believers, gathered out of all the current religions." —Alice Bailey & Djwhal Khul*

"I thought, you know where people are moving in they probably need new houses of worships, temples, and synagogues, and churches, and stuff like that." —Rick Warren*

"The church is bigger than any organization in the world. Then you add in Muslims, you add in Hindus, you add in all the different religions, and you use those houses of worship as distribution centers, not just for spiritual care but health care." —Rick Warren*

"I could take you today to a million villages ... they got a church. Or they got a synagogue. They got something. They got a house of worship. The church is the biggest organization in the world.... And I came up with a thing called the P.E.A.C.E. Plan. When Jesus sent the disciples out, he said, 'When you go into a village, you find the man of peace.' Now this person doesn't have to be a Christian.... You find the person of peace, and then you begin to do the P.E.A.C.E. Plan ... Now why am I telling this to you? Because we're going public with it this next year in 2006.... And I believe it will change the world." —Rick Warren*

Yes, change is the order of the day.
Truth becomes the sacrifice:
So remember to keep in Gods word daily.
Examine your faith and walk daily.
And beware of the new wave of apologetics

The Elijah List by Sandy Simpson

Great article by my friend and brother in the Lord Sandy Simpson

The ElijahList
The biggest distributor of false prophecies in hyperspace.
compiled by Sandy Simpson, 4/08



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This is a sampling of false prophecies by many false prophets that have been distributed by ElijahList. I have been collecting ElijahList newsletters for years. The following are but a tiny fraction of the false prophecies ElijahList has sent out. Prophesy, that is predictive, is to be judged not only on whether or not the prophecy came true, but on how it depicts the character and testimony of God, and whether or not it teaches what the Bible teaches. If a Third Wave prophet happens to, on the very off chance, get a prediction right his prophecy must still be judged as to whether or not it is consistent with the law and the testimony (Is. 8:20). If it is not it is a lying prophecy, not from the Lord, but from either the delusions of his or her own mind (Jer. 14:14) or from evil (Jer. 23:10) which has it's origin from the evil one (Jas. 3:15, 1 Jn. 3:8).

Steve Schultz, head of ElijahList, states a very unbiblical premise for the prophecies he sends out to his mailing list of 100,000 plus.

When we post any word at all on The Elijah List website-- ANY word some think it's from God and some think it's NOT from God. So, that's the way it's supposed to work. Over time, you will decide literally for yourself which words you feel are trustworthy for YOU and/or which prophets you feel have the least or best credibility. (Steve Shultz: "DEBUGGING THE PROPHETIC--Questions and Answers with Steve Shultz", The ElijahList, 12/4/07)
First of all, I want you to notice who the prophets listed below have claimed is speaking. They ALWAYS claim to be speaking what they heard from God. If the Lord has not spoken, as they claim, then why would there be a question as to their "trustworthiness", and why would ElijahList be sending these lying messages out? The fact is that Shultz, the ElijahList, and those who read it believe that ALL those who post prophecies are true prophets/prophetesses REGARDLESS of their telling the truth or spreading lies. This idea that a prophet can be wrong when they are claiming to have heard from the Lord and still be considered a prophet of God is part of the theology of the New Apostolic Reformation or Third Wave.
The alleged messages from God to these ElijahList prophets are often colored in blue to delineate them from the black color used for regular information. This, I believe, is intended to be like the red letter text in some Bibles. It looks to me like this practice shows that they are putting prophecies on the same level as the written Word.

Another practice that is often repeated it to quote from the Old Testament, in particular from Israel taking the land of Canaan, and allegorically apply it to the Gentile Church. Promises and commands for Israel are teleported to modern times and turned into all kinds of mandates for the Church. This is what Gary Gilley of Think On These Things had called "fairy tale hermeneutics". Most of the emails from ElijahList are full of the misapplication of Old Testament Scripture. I don't have time to detail all these instances but wanted to mention this aspect of the false prophecies in order to help the reader to understand that there are many dimensions to the false prophecies and false teachings I am detailing that are not fully covered by this article.

I will continue to add to this article as I have time. Check back for updates.



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"... There shall be a cleaning up, and there shall be a wonderful, wonderful victory, says the spirit of the Lord; therefore, let your Christmas be a Christmas of celebration, because beyond this year, into 2004, suddenly there shall be a shift ... Look for the wind," says the Spirit. A very unusual wind, and you shall not say as Elijah said, "God was not in the wind." The spirit of the Lord said, "It shall be a sign that that which has tormented the citizens of this nation, of Great Britain, of Saudi Arabia, and many other nations, shall be swiftly brought to an end," says the Lord. There shall be a wind that shall blow in certain portions of the nation. They shall see as never before this wind," God says. (Kim Clement, November 22, 2003, Portland, Oregon, cited in Elijah List, 9/16/04)
This has to be referring to terrorism. Terrorists have not stopped "tormenting" the US, UK, Saudi Arabia and other nations by the end of 2004 so this is a false prophecy. Kim Clement has a long history of false prophecies. It is a wonder any Christian would even give him the time of day.
In recent months, the Lord has taken me up several times, in the Spirit, to a particular place in the Heavenly realm. I call this place the land of promises. This place was lush and flourishing with the life of God. The very atmosphere of this place was radiating with the presence of the Lord. It had the feeling of Spring when all things are new and refreshing. All around I could see rainbows reminding me of the promises of God throughout His word and the personal promises and prophecies that have been delivered from His mouth to His people throughout history. ... I want to present a key in the life of Jesus that I call "synchronization" because it is a secret to bringing manifestations of heaven into the earthly realm. I believe that Jesus came to this earth and lived His life as a prototype of what is possible and available for each one of us. Jesus lived in a place of such intimacy and fellowship with the Father on a daily basis that He just proclaimed and decreed what he saw and heard His Father doing and the realm of heaven was immediately ushered into every situation He touched. You see, Jesus did not do any miracles as God! He was most definitely the Son of God, but He laid down His power as God and limited Himself as a human in the very same way that we are limited. The only difference between Jesus, in His human life, and us is that he lived a life completely yielded to the Holy Spirit. (Ryan Wyatt, "Birthing Manifestations of the Realm of Heaven on the Earth", Elijah List, 7/5/04)
False vision, false prophecy. Why? Because Jesus Christ was God at all times here on earth in His humanity. Yes, the Son was always obedient to the will of the Father, but that doesn't mean he was not God. A core doctrine of the Church is that Jesus Christ is 100% Deity and 100% man for all eternity. This teaching is the false teaching of Word of Faith that basically says that Jesus Christ was simply an anointed man who was perfectly obedient, therefore if we are obedient we can do everything He did and more. The problem is, we are not little gods like WOF teaches. We are servants and He is the Master. He is ALWAYS the One who does miraculous things, and He is the ONLY one who can do the miracles.


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As we were waiting in London for our flight to Nigeria, we looked out the windows and saw an interesting pattern in the clouds. There was clearly a sword emblazoned in white across the sky. We knew the Lord was communicating about the SWORD that had come into the atmosphere over London and England. ... I shared that this was a time that the sword was being awakened in the atmosphere over London. ... I decreed that tradition would not guide the Church from this day forward. I also decreed that false religion (the sword of Islam) would not be able to be the guiding force over England. From this passage I felt like God was saying, "I want to take charge over England and London for this hour. ... Officials do not know why the 147-year-old clock on the banks of the River Thames stopped at 10:07 p.m. Friday. It resumed keeping time, but stalled again at 10:20 p.m. and remained still for about 90 minutes before starting up again, said an engineer at the Palace of Westminster, which operates the clock. ... Note by Steve Shultz: Please observe that the temperature reached 90 degrees and the clock stopped for 90 minutes . . . both a record for the history books. Perhaps there is meaning . . . a sign and a wonder for London, for England -- Steve Shultz (Chuck Pierce: "GOD'S INTERVENTION OVER LONDON AND THE WHOLE OF ENGLAND -- Prophecy and Prayer Directives Coincide with Historic, Unexplainable 90-Minute Stop of BIG BEN CLOCK", The ElijahList, 5/31/05)
First of all, this is false prophecy because it is based on reading omens like a pattern in the clouds or Big Ben stopping briefly. De 18:10 Let no-one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in {Or who makes his son or daughter pass through} the fire, who practises divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft Second, this contains a definite false declaration/prophecy about Islam not being able to be the guiding force over England. Islam has only increased it's influence in England since 2005. Case in point: The Archbishop of Canterbury's lecture on "Civil and Religious Law in England: a Religious Perspective" given on 2/07/08 where he says: This lecture will not attempt a detailed discussion of the nature of sharia, which would be far beyond my competence; my aim is only, as I have said, to tease out some of the broader issues around the rights of religious groups within a secular state, with a few thought about what might be entailed in crafting a just and constructive relationship between Islamic law and the statutory law of the United Kingdom. ... In conclusion, it seems that if we are to think intelligently about the relations between Islam and British law, we need a fair amount of 'deconstruction' of crude oppositions and mythologies, whether of the nature of sharia or the nature of the Enlightenment.He is basically equating sharia law with Judeo-Christian law, thus giving his endorsement to instituting it within the laws of England. Another fact is that more Mosques than churches have been guilt in the UK since 2005. (Islam, Rome, The Antichrist, and False Prophet? by Bob Mitchell, Moriel Ministries, http://www.moriel.org/articles/sermons/islam_rome_antichrist_false_prophet.htm) In fact Muslims have been buying Christian churches an setting up Mosques in them. (http://eye-on-the-world.blogspot.com/2007/04/england-old-church-becomes-mosque.html) Britain may continue to regard itself as a Christian nation. But practicing Muslims are likely to outnumber church-attending Christians in several decades, according to a recent survey by Christian Research, a group that specializes in documenting the status of Christianity in Britain. (CLITHEROE votes to change a church to a mosque, Posted in: Islam & the Arab World— @ 8:31 am, 2/4/07) So what Chuck Pierce declared and what "God" allegedly said has not come true.


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"This Christmas, I will bring about changes so massive, that the Church shall no longer even look like the Church has looked before. I will invade the marketplace. I will take Texas, and I will honor you. I will buckle the Bible belt again, and bring honor back to you,’ says the Lord." (Kim Clement: "WATCH OVER THE CHRISTMAS SEASON--FOR THERE SHALL BE THE IGNITING OF FIRES", The ElijahList, 11/18/06)
There were not any sudden change in the churches except that it has become more apostate and many churches in the southern US are now giving themselves over to the New Apostolic Reformation and the Emerging Church. So this is a prediction from the enemy, not from God. Any changes in the churches involved with people like Kim Clement do NOT bring honor back to the Lord.
I also saw the Lord handing out many graduation certificates to those who are prophetically gifted. Many who have faithfully labored on one level are about to immediately be elevated to the next one. Almost all of these were going from elementary to middle school, but this is a significant advancement, and widespread credibility will soon come to the prophetic ministry in the church. (Rick Joyner: "2007--A YEAR OF INCREASING REVELATIONS OF SCRIPTURES, PROPHECY, DREAMS, AND VISIONS", The ElijahList, 12/29/06)
This is not Biblical. There is no school where prophets go from elementary to middle school. There is no such thing in the Bible. A prophet is either a true prophet who has simply heard from the Lord and delivers that message to God's people which is 100% accurate because it is God Who has spoken, or he is a false prophet who has to learn how to prophesy by using his imagination (Eze. 13:2, Jer. 14:14) or interpreting omens (De. 18:10) and who does not speak the truth. Rick Joyner would be one of those. By the title of this fantasy Joyner proves again that he is all about new revelations that have nothing to do with the Word of God.


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Recently I was invited into a prison to teach about the shofar and, of course, to blow it . . . . At the end of the teaching, I explained how the breath of God is released as the shofar is blown...In the Spirit as the shofar sounded, I immediately saw a Jacob's ladder being extended down inside of many prisons and jails with angels ascending and descending . . . . I saw angels with swords drawn ready to cut time for some prisoners . . . SOME PRISON FILES AND RECORDS WILL STRANGELY DISAPPEAR THIS COMING YEAR -- I SAW ANGELS SNOOPING INTO FILING CABINETS. In the Spirit I could overhear some prison wardens and officials discussing some of the prisoners' destinies who were doomed with lengthy sentences, saying, "How can this be? Where are those records and files? Without that record or file there is not enough evidence to keep him here! He will walk out the front gate a free man!" Death row angels were descending to interfere in the affairs of men and women and the death assignments over them. Some angels were present to stay the hand of death, while other angels were present to welcome others into the presence of Jesus. (Bill Yount: "THE YEAR OF THE PRISON BREAKER ANOINTING--MANY JOSEPHS ARE BEING SUMMONED BY THE KING!", The ElijahList, 5/12/2007)
Comment by The Berean Call: Mr. Yount declared his vision of a heavenly "jail break" was made possible not by prayer but by the blowing of a ram's horn. Yount's "prophetic words" are promoted by the Elijah List, and he is a favored speaker at New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) conferences. Mr. Yount teaches that blowing the shofar operates according to scientific and spiritual "laws" so that the physical properties of sound has a profound heavenly impact, which in turn releases favor and God's "breath" upon the earth. In contrast to Scripture or early church practice, no such tools or methods are taught in God's Word. One might also wonder why the Lord needs to rifle file cabinets in order to accomplish his will. (http://www.thebereancall.org/node/5432)
The Spirit of the Lord says that God is placing a crown of manifestation on the heads of His faithful, diligent, chosen saints--a crown of great favor and authority with God and men--a new and greater installment of the fruits and blessings of the Spirit. Another measure, and another, and another. (Todd Bentley: THE DAY OF MANIFESTATION--IMPARTATION OF FAVOR, The ElijahList, 5/26/07)
There is no such crown mentioned in the Bible. There is the crown of life (James 1:12, Rev. 2:10), the crown of righteousness (2 Tim. 4:8), the crown of glory (1 Pet. 5:4). There is also no "new and greater installment of the fruits" of the Spirit addressed in the Bible. Fruits are identified in the written Word. There is simply the evidence of the fruit of the Spirit in those who are obedient to Jesus Christ. The blessings of God are His to bestow, but serving the Lord and being under His protection may also bring Christians into trials that test their faith. Those who think that they are only walking with the Lord when they are "blessed" by Him are fooling themselves. False prophets identify blessings with money, power and influence. Many true missionaries and church planters had no worldly money, power or influence. Yet many souls were added to the Kingdom. The fact is that any "manifestations" in the Third Wave have been those that deceive and delude Christians and cause non-believers to not want become a Christian because the Truth has been brought into disrepute (2 Pet. 2:2).
God says, "I am raising up a 'promise keeper' generation that will joyfully obey My commands and decrees entering into covenant relationship with the Lord their God in a profound way. As My children spend time in My presence I will reveal the power of My covenant-keeping promises. I am birthing a fresh wave of love for right living by My commandments. (Catherine Brown: "THE JOSIAH GENERATION--FREEDOM FIGHTERS FOR HOLINESS!", The ElijahList, 6/11/07)
Here are some commandments the followers of these false prophets have not gained a love for, therefore this is a false prophecy: Concerning those who tell lies in the name of the Lord - 1Co 5:11-13 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to JUDGE those inside? God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you." Concerning testing false prophets - 1Jo 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but TEST the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. Concerning separation from false teachers and worldly people - Re 18:4 Then I heard another voice from heaven say: "Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues. Concerning judging rightly instead of teaching people not to judge at all - John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. Concerning avoiding those who teach false doctrines - Rom. 16:17 "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them." Concerning rebuking those who teach or prophesy lies in the name of the Lord - Titus 1: 13 "Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith " Eph. 5:11 "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them " Concerning withdrawing from those who walk disorderly and do not teach sound doctrine - 2 Thes. 3:6 "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh DISORDERLY, and not after the tradition which ye received of us " Concerning not allowing false prophets and their TV and materials into your home - 2 John 10, 11 "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds " Concerning rejecting heretics - Titus 3: 10 "A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition reject."These are some of the commandments of God that Third Wavers have yet to embrace and love.
The Coming Kingdom! - The kingdom of God will not be socialism, but a freedom even greater than anyone on earth knows at this time. At first it may seem like totalitarianism, as the Lord will destroy the antichrist spirit now dominating the world with "the sword of His mouth" and will shatter many nations like pottery. However, fundamental to His rule is II Corinthians 3:17, "Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." Instead of taking away liberties and becoming more domineering, the kingdom will move from a point of necessary control while people are learning truth, integrity, honor, and how to make decisions, to increasing liberty so that they can. God created mankind to be free, and that is our most natural state, which is why He put the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden. It was not to cause Adam and Eve to fall, but there could be no true obedience unless there was an opportunity to disobey. Likewise, there can be no true worship unless there is the freedom not to worship. Otherwise, the Lord would have done better to have just created a computer instead of man and programmed the computers to worship Him! What kind of worship would that be? Freedom is required for true worship, true obedience, and true relationship. The kingdom will start out necessarily authoritative in many ways, or in many areas, but will move toward increasing liberty--so do all true churches and movements that are advancing toward the kingdom. You may have to be very controlling of toddlers, but the older they get, the more they can be trusted, and the more freedom they should have if they are going to develop into true maturity, which requires personal responsibility. Those who are here to help prepare the way for the coming of the kingdom, which includes all Christians who are alive now, can learn much from the fall of the Iron Curtain. The same lessons can apply in a local church when ministering to those coming out of a spiritually or emotionally controlling relationship or prison. However, we must start thinking bigger. The Great Commission is to make disciples, not just converts, and of nations, not just individuals. Those who are called to rule and reign with Him must start thinking much bigger. (Rick Joyner with Dutch Sheets "THE TRUE SOLDIERS OF THE CROSS ARE MOBILIZING. THE CHURCH IS ABOUT TO BE CLOTHED WITH A BEAUTY THAT IS BEYOND THIS WORLD!", Elijah List, 6/19/07)
Comment by Herescope: This statement above is an extraordinary admission! The Dominionists who are building the kingdom of God on Earth will usher in their kingdom on their white horses crying "peace, peace!" But here is an acknowledgment that the red horse of force, might and control lurks just behind the scenes. In this article the false prophets are preparing their troops for what is to come. Dominionism "Lite" always promises peace and prosperity, and a nice sounding Christian culture or government. But Dominionism "Dark," which is the only way that dominionism can truly be enforced, is always totalitarian. You can't "make" disciples or "convert" whole nations" unless you use force. This is war. (http://herescope.blogspot.com/2007/06/dominion-at-first-it-may-seem-like.html)
God will send His people into Austria from other nations to help bring forth the Gospel to the people and encourage those already working in the harvest fields. He will send those with the demonstrations as a witness--beginning 07/07/07, a release of the Spirit (see below for event details). ... July 7-13, 2007, The Heart of God Festival, Austria (Europe) (Catherine Brown and Kathie Walters: "PROPHETIC WORDS FOR SWEDEN AND AUSTRIA", The ElijahList, 6/21/07)
The date 7/7/7 was a date on which the "Spirit" was to be released all over the world, not just in Austria, according to the NAR prophets. According to other organizations on the web 7/7/7 was to be a "lucky day" on which to get married, etc. In fact it was one of the most popular wedding dates ever. Sin City probably has the most invested in the upcoming day. (http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1630320,00.html) Yet many Christians also bought into this superstition and many prophets were prophesying that great signs and wonders would happen on 7/7/7. Yet if you check the news of that day, nothing significant happened other than people organizing events around superstition, Eva Longoria hiding her tattoo under makeup for her wedding (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=7&entry_id=25059), more political unrest, and the regular items in the news. As usual, with regards to other "prophetic" dates, nothing significant happened. Read "The New Apostles & Prophets & Superstition" for more information on this numerology type stuff.
The Spirit of the Lord says, "Apostles and Prophets will now be the witnesses that Bring Sight to the Blind!" YES, Spiritually and Physically! You will now begin to see a mighty increase of physical eyes miraculously healed to seal the voice of God saying, "Open My Nation's Eyes Spiritually!" (John Mark Pool: "OPEN BLIND EYES! AMERICA, GET READY TO SEE AMAZING SIGNS, WONDERS, AND MIRACLES!", The ElijahList, 6/29/07)
This has not come true. Not one shred of medical proof has been offered for any alleged miracles of blind people receiving sight. Could it be because the "apostles and prophets" of this movement are false ones?
The Lord says, "There will be prophetic ingenuity of apostolic government that will hit many company CEO's and CFO's as their hearts are hit with a new quickening of My Spirit to shift their strategies of financial growth, resulting in more efficient and productive methods for speedier multiplication of profits." (Reeni Mederos: "A NEW WAVE OF ENTREPRENEURIAL FIRE IS ABOUT TO HIT THE AMERICAN ECONOMY", The ElijahList, 9/9/07)
First of all there are no foundation apostles today, therefore no apostolic government. Second, where in the Bible was God concerned in a "speedier multiplication of profits"? Everything belongs to God. He can supply what His Church needs. His focus is not on money, nor should ours be. God would not declare something that is against His admonition to be careful of the love of money which is the root of all kinds of evil (1 Tim. 6:10). Third, we have not seen many CEO's changing their strategies of financial growth in order to grow the true church, only the apostate Third Wave ones. The American economy has been in a decline since 2007 and, in fact, any new "entrepreneurial fire" has been coming increasingly from outside the US.
Says God, "I'm coming and heeding their cries. Will not My city be saved? Will not Africa be saved? Will not Europe be saved? Will not South America be saved? North America?" ... "New wells. New wells for a new day. But this well carries with it not only revival, but reformation, societal transformation." ... "It's going be greater than tsunamis'; for there is a spiritual tsunami coming to Asia," says God. "There's a spiritual tsunami being poured out across the face of the earth." ... (CINDY JACOBS: God says, "I'm Raising Up a New Generation of Revivalists Such as the World Has Not Seen", The ElijahList, 9/18/07)
God is not going to save whole continents and nations, certainly not through these false prophets. The only societal transformation will happen when Christ returns to rule and judge the earth in the Millennial Kingdom. Till then we struggle against spiritual principalities and powers (Eph. 6:12) who have the rule over the earth (John 14:30, Eph. 2:2). All of Asia will not be saved, only individuals in Asia who understand the Gospel message through the conviction of the Holy Spirit, repent and believe. The earth will not be saved. Few will find the narrow way (Matt. 7:14). This Dominionism is simply a setup for the Antichrist who will claim to be saving the planet and bringing peace (Dan. 9:27). Be careful of the false prophetesses who cry "Peace, peace" where there is no peace (Jer. 6:14)!
The Lord is asking, "Are you willing to make the necessary steps in order to establish yourself in the domain I have given to you and release it to those who are in need?" (John Meyer: "The Fruit & Gifts of the Spirit Intertwined in 2008--A Look at this Coming Year", The ElijahList, 10/9/07
God is not in the "domain" business. That word is not used in the Bible except in the case of the land that had been given to Gad (De. 33:20). Gentile Christians are not here to take over land, or even areas of the world. We are to preach the Gospel and disciple all nations, not take dominion over areas of the world. That is a type of Christian fascism called Dominionism and is entirely unbiblical. If God is not establishing domains for Christians then how can they "release it to those who are in need"? One cannot "release" a domain unless they are talking about selling land. If this is talking about a spiritual domain, in other words (from their false teachings) some kind of "anointing" then that is patently unbiblical as well. Christians cannot release Divine anointings through slain in the spirit, etc. God does His will in the supernatural. Our mandate has not changed, nor are we to assume we can know what God knows. John Meyer is very critical of anyone who disagrees with what the New "apostles" are doing. They are called "The Scoffing and Mocking Spirit". This is exactly the theme of the Toronto Blessing, Brownsville, Benny Hinn and many other Third Wavers. If you disagree with them then you are mocking the Lord and His work. This kind of accusation is patently absurd, but stems from the fact that they believe they are the only truly "anointed" of the Lord. In fact, by virtue of their disobedience to God's Word they prove that they are the very thing they are railing against.
"In this Nation, yes, there shall be three earthquakes," says the Lord. "Not earthquakes of judgment, but a sign in the earth. The wind has brought the rain. Signs from above. Fires have come on top of the land. Signs on top of the land. Fire consuming religion, consuming witchcraft and consuming control, and the synagogues of satan shall be invaded by the forces of righteousness," says the Lord of hosts. (KIM CLEMENT and JAMIE GALLOWAY: "SIGNS IN THE EARTH and A VISITATION FROM THE ANGEL GABRIEL", The ElijahList, 10/23/07)
I checked with the USGS (http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/eqlists/eqstats.html#table_us) and there have been 13 earthquakes from 2007-2008 above a magnitude of 6.0. All in all there have been 3624 recorded earthquakes in that time period (so far). Which three were Clement and Galloway addressing? Oops. I forgot. It was the "Lord of hosts" who gave this information. Also, since this is talking about literal signs in the earth, there was no fire consuming religion, witchcraft or synagogues of Satan.
On the 24th of August, I was taken into a prophetic experience where I saw the angel, Gabriel. This was a first for me! ... I knew Jesus had sent him to bring rain and on September 8, a tropical cyclone named "Gabrielle" started heading towards North Carolina. The storm was named Gabrielle, which is the feminine form of "Gabriel." I believe God was sending this strong wind to be a blessing of rain to North Carolina and a message to the South. I believe our Papa was manifesting Himself as gentle and loving, like a mother hen as Jesus said it Himself in Luke 13:34. He could have come as another form, but He chose to show His gentleness. The storm reported no fatalities and little destruction, but gave massive amounts of rain. This was a blessing and not a curse. (KIM CLEMENT and JAMIE GALLOWAY: "SIGNS IN THE EARTH and A VISITATION FROM THE ANGEL GABRIEL", The ElijahList, 10/23/07)
God has never sent an angel like Gabriel to announce rain to a particular region of the earth. He did not even send an angel to announce that rain would return to Israel when Elijah prayed for rain. God does not send angels for trivial things. He sent Gabriel to announce the birth of His Son. That is an occasion for angels to be sent, not because the land needs rain and there happens to be a storm with the "feminine form of Gabriel" on the way. Also God does not come in the form of a typhoon. We do not worship a pantheistic god like these false prophets. 1Ki 19:11 The LORD said, "Go out and stand on the mountain in the presence of the LORD, for the LORD is about to pass by." Then a great and powerful wind tore the mountains apart and shattered the rocks before the LORD, but the LORD was not in the wind. After the wind there was an earthquake, but the LORD was not in the earthquake. The large amounts of rain to that area may have been a blessing, but these kinds of false prophecies are a curse.
"Pray, pray, pray for America. The land of the brave, the land of the free, the Spirit shall be free. America, you are free. You are free from the oil crisis. Soon and very, very soon, there shall be five sources of energy that you will have to choose from. Rejoice, for you are going to see the celebration of My choice in this nation. America, you are the salt of the earth. You are the light of the world. America, you are free." (Kim Clement: "THE SCROLL HAS BEEN OPENED--What Einstein saw before he died will be revealed in this day and age", The ElijahList, 10/27/07)
This is not prophecy because it is based on things already in the news. It is also false because America is not free from the oil crisis, in fact it is only getting worse in the six months since it was given. There are alternative fuels but none have become widespread and are unlikely to as those who trade in oil and transportation are will not allow alternative sources of energy a real chance of succeeding unless they are cut in on the profits. Furthermore no "scroll has been opened" in heaven. That happens during the Tribulation, not now.
God says: "The soil has been scorched. But where it has been scorched there, I'm about to pour rain as never before. California, I have loved you. I have kept you as My own. I am jealous over you. I have watched with a burning jealousy, and I said that I will only consume the enemies of this California, for I have raised it up to be a voice to Nations. I have raised it up so that people will see American domestic television in a different way and in a different light." God said, "I'm about to invade American domestic television and send it to the earth with light, light, light, light, light, light!" (Kim Clement: A Magnitude 5.6 EARTHQUAKE Just Shook the SAN FRANCISCO Area. God says, "Freedom Has Come to California", The ElijahList, 10/31/07)
Wow. How wrong could he be! To this day secular American TV gets more deviant as it goes and American Christian TV has brought the truth into disrepute all over the world. California has not been a witness for the Lord but is full of blasphemies and markets deviant behavior to the entire planet.
But now God says, "There's got to be the opening." And the Spirit of God says, "On the 11th of the 11th, so many historical things happen." This door that God has opened will begin on November the 11th. God said, "Especially in the Middle East, you will remember." God says, "Do you understand that what you have prayed for is going to begin to take place, and the door that I've opened is a resource from the Kingdom of God for My people--that they haven't had up to this point." (KIM CLEMENT: "PEOPLE of DESTINY, Make Your Destiny Known RIGHT NOW!", The ElijahList, 11/9/07)
Nothing of significance happened on 11/11/07 that will be remembered. Check the NYTimes and other resources if you do not believe me: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C02E0D71439F932A25752C1A9619C8B63&scp=2&sq=&st=nyt
I see an angel with a sword poised over Lagos, and I hear the Spirit of the Lord say, "It is a delivering sword. It is both a sword of mercy and a sword of judgment." The Lord says, "I am going to expose that which is masquerading under a false and counterfeit anointing and Lagos will experience a 'dirge' until it acknowledges the pure prophetic Voice of the Holy Spirit." (Catherine Brown: "NATIONS WATCH! God is Rising as the KING of JUSTICE for the OPPRESSED of the EARTH", Vision for Lagos, Nigeria--received on 11-19-07, The Elijah List, 12/9/07)
A well known false prophet and false teacher in Lagos is T.B. Joshua. Yet many Third Wavers believe he is a true man of God. Read the following information about T.B. Joshua here and order the Kerugma expose on him here. So there has been no exposure of people like T.B. Joshua other than what has been going on all along, and certainly not among the apostate Third Wave groups.
God says ... "There shall be appearances, great, great appearances. There shall be appearances as you have never seen. Why would My people not believe that I can come and appear in the most remote places on the earth?" (KIM CLEMENT: "There will be PROPHETS in Science, Business, Households, the Music Industry and the Media", The ElijahList, 11/28/07)
Matt. 24:24-28 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time. "So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the desert,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
The Lord says, "I am going to send unusual manifestations of fire and wind on Africa in this new season--as the angel of the four winds of Heaven is released on his global mandate." (Bill and Marsha Burns and Catherine Brown: "2008--The Year of the OPEN DOOR and There Shall Be Manifestations of WIND and FIRE in Africa", The ElijahList, 12/19/07)
(1) There have been no unusual manifestations of fire and wind in Africa in 2008. Any fires or winds are natural or manmade occurrences, not a special blessing from God. (2) The angel (note that it is angels not one angel) who come to gather the saints from the four winds (every part of the earth) have not done so yet. The Rapture has not happened yet nor has Jesus Christ returned. Mr 13:27 And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens. This false prophecy is obviously from a person who is a Dominionist and believes in Kingdom Now theology.
Added 4/22/08 You will take back coveted land and place it at the feet of your Father. For I tell you this day I hear the prayers of Crazy Horse, Sitting Bull (mighty warriors) and Joseph--apostolic prophetic declarations that were made and are hanging in the balances of fulfillment. The day of the warrior has come. ... "For the KNEE is a place of prayer and devotion--now hear this word of wisdom: I will restore your place of intercession and prayer, and that which has wounded you and displaced you from your rightful position of prayer and authority for this nation shall no longer handicap you any more. The knee that was broken shall now be repaired," says the Lord, "and you shall stand in the gap once again." ... God says, "Those that have sat in darkness shall now rise in this dawning of a new day. A Bright and Morning Star shall be seen in 2008, leading them to the place of their destiny. The tomb of history shall now be opened, revealing the exploits that have even to this day remained hidden. The spirit of exploitation shall be banished from their borders, breaking the cycle of the curse that has found its way into this present generation. The temptation of wealth will not spoil the heart of the youth as they reach for higher. ... (Chad Taylor: "The DAY of the WARRIOR Has Come--You Will TAKE BACK COVETED LAND and GIVE IT to the FATHER", The ElijahList, 12/28/07)
A lot to deal with here. I have great sympathy for the plight of the American Indian and the factors that have led to many problems because of past exploitation. But this does not mean that God "heard the prayers" of Godless heathen. Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull may have been praying but certainly not to YHWH. They would have been praying to the false gods of the Indians including the "Great Spirit". As a boy, Crazy Horse loved to listen to the teachings of the Lakota religion. His father was a holy man of the tribe -- a medicine man. He taught the boy to honor all things, because all things had a life of their own. Not only people and animals had spirits, he said, but trees and rivers, as well. Above all was the Great Spirit. (http://www.voanews.com/specialenglish/archive/2006-11/2006-11-12-voa1.cfm) This is pantheism and animism, the false religion of most of the world. Sitting Bull was also not "apostolic and prophetic", certianly not of God. He worshipped the false gods of the Indians. Quotes from Chief Sitting Bull:
I am here by the will of the Great Spirit, and by his will I am chief. ... Each man is good in the sight of the Great Spirit. ... (http://www.powersource.com/gallery/people/sittbull.html) Each man is sinful in the sight of YHWH (Jer. 17:9). Sitting Bull summoned the Lakota, Cheyenne and Arapaho to his camp on Rosebud Creek in Montana Territory. There he led them in the sun dance ritual, offering prayers to Wakan Tanka, their Great Spirit, and slashing his arms one hundred times as a sign of sacrifice. (http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/people/s_z/sittingbull.htm) Wakan Tanka is not YHWH. The dances of pagans to their gods are often signified by arm slashing (1 Kings 18:28). For more information why the Great Spirit is not God read our WCGIP section. They were certainly not making "apostolic prophetic declarations". When Chad is speaking of KNEE he is talking about the place Wonded Knee. That is not a place of prayer and devotion to the true God but to false gods. How can American Indians, who have not been saved, be restored to their "rightful position of prayer and authority for this nation"? A troubling aspect to this prophecy is the mention of the "Bright and Morning Star" to be seen in 2008. Is this a predicion of the coming of Christ? If so then Christians are not to predict the time of Christ's return (Mr. 13:32) but watch for the signs of the times (Mt. 16:3). Of course the Bible calls Lucifer the "morning star" (Is. 14:12) and then later Jesus Christ is called the "bright morning star" (Rev. 22:16). Let us hope the AntiChrist will not be coming in 2008. There has been no real breaking the cycle of curse for the First Nation's peoples. In fact the "temptation to wealth" has caused Indian-financed casinos to pop up in virtually every place in the nation. Last time I was on a driving trip through 23 States of the US I noted that almost every 20 miles there is an Indian casino along the major highways. The exploitation of First Nations peoples was not the cause of greed among the American Indian tribes, which has also not turned out very well for them since they are now being exploited by organized crime and their people are getting hooked on gambling. The reason for their problems is that most do not know the Lord, and they have false believers like those of the WCGIP telling them they already knew Him.
Added 4/22/08 For 2008, prophetically, I hear "sickles." ... When the prayer bowls fill in Heaven, the result on earth is the acceleration of harvest and judgment (see Revelation 8:3). In 2008, the Church must join with the intercession of Jesus (see Hebrews 7:25) for the release of national revival. (Stacey Campbell: "For 2008, Prophetically, I Hear SICKLES--God is Preparing to REAP NATIONS", The ElijahList, 12/31/07)
First of all there are no "prayer bowls" mentioned in the Bible. The bowls in Revelation are God's wrath of judgment on the unrepentant (Rev. 15:7). Second, there is no "acceleration" mentioned in Rev. 8:3. The censer presented by the angel is not a bowl but incense, part of which is the prayers of the saints. But there is no mention of those prayers being of "acceleration" unless you are making an argument from silence. Thirdly, the intercession of Jesus in Heb. 7:25 is mentioned in the context of Him living to intercede for us as His sacrifice, once for all for sin, has already been made. It mentions nothing about Jesus interceding for "the release of national revival". Therefore, since this is claimed to be a word "heard" from God this is clearly a false prophesy. God does not make false analogies regarding His Word.


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Added 4/22/08 We feel that God is looking for 300 Gideons to besiege the Lord at strategic high places in Israel for the 2008 U.S. Presidential elections and for America to remain pro-life and pro-Israel. Those of you who become a part of this modern-day Gideon's army will be preparing the way for the revival of Israel, and interceding for what we believe to be one of the most critical elections in recent history. Personally, we feel the Lord is asking us, as His army, to stand up! (Curt Landry, House of David Ministries, Inc. & Steve Shultz, The ElijahList"Now's the Time to Join Gideon's Army", The ElijahList, 1/2/08)
"Feeling" that God is saying something is no way to hear from God. First of all the story of the 300 and Gideon is a histrorical story that will not be literally repeated again. Second, notice that false teachers and false prophets love to gather in the "high places". This should tip any true believer off that this is not an event instituted by God. God denounced the high places being used as places of worship over and over again (1 Kings, 2 Kings, Ps. 78:58, Hos. 10:8) When God comes He will tread down the high places (Mic. 1:3). Third, the revival of Israel will happen in the Tribulation (Rev. 7:2-8), not before it. Yes some will be saved but no great revival will happen according to the written Word.
"This year I want to meet with you at a deeper level--another dimension. My power is being released more widely across the earth because many are meeting me at this deeper level, where you learn more of My truth, ways and power. Dig deep into the Scriptures, dig deep into My nature, dig deep into My presence. The deeper we go, the more revelation and power I release." (Ras and Bev Robinson and Patricia King: "SEEING the Unseen and HEARING the Unheard AND the LIGHT INVASION of 2008!", The ElijahList, 1/3/08)
You don't learn more truth by digging "deep into" God's "presence". They should have stuck with digging deep into the Word, but as it is with all Gnostic heretics they have to add to the revelation of Jesus Christ, the Apostles and prophets "new" revelations. From my observation, the deeper they go into slain in the spirit and Gnostic mysticism and divination, the further they get from any true revelation and power, and certainly from understanding God and His ways. The sad fact is that false prophets, false apostles and false teachers will NEVER know the power of God, the character of God, the miracles of God, and the revelation of God's Word unless they repent, believe in and obey the Jesus Christ of the Bible
I feel the Lord is saying, "I want to use fresh strategies and fresh impartations of My Spirit. I want you to break out of My old familiar wineskins." (JILL AUSTIN: "Entrepreneurs, Creative People and Marketplace Warriors--BREAK DOWN THE WALLS!", The ElijahList, 1/4/08)
Imagine breaking out of God's "old familiar wineskins"! What audacity to even suggest that God is the cause of Christians being lukewarm. In any case, the picture of the old and new wineskins in the Bible is a response to people who commented on why the disciples of John were fasting but the disciples of Jesus were not. Mark 2:19-22 Jesus answered, "How can the guests of the bridegroom fast while he is with them? They cannot, so long as they have him with them. But the time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them, and on that day they will fast. "No-one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment. If he does, the new piece will pull away from the old, making the tear worse. And no-one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the wine will burst the skins, and both the wine and the wineskins will be ruined. No, he pours new wine into new wineskins." You will notice that it has nothing to do with any scenario in this modern time of "fresh strategies and fresh impartations". In fact now is technically the time of fasting and prayer Jesus spoke of after He would be taken physically from this world.
God says: ... I am in a creative mood; if I am in a creative mood, I will design things especially for this generation." (Kim Clement:
"MY PROPHETS WILL NOT BE QUIET! For They Carry the Next Generation's BURDEN and POWER, says the Lord", The ElijahList, 1/12/08)
I suppose it can be posited that God was in a "creative mood" when He created this universe. Yet the Bible says nothing about God being in a creative mood, even while creating the universe. Does God have moods? How can He when He is unchanging (Heb. 1:10-12; 13:8)?
Added 4/22/08 The Spirit of God says, "That all would prophesy; that all would understand; that when words come out of the mouth of man who is energized by the Spirit to speak--despise not the words that come forth. These are the words of life, for there is life and death in the power of the tongue. I have gone throughout the earth searching, listening for the sounds of life; listening for people who would speak My Words. There is a dictation that comes from hell itself to speak their words." God says, "So many of My servants would take the words of My enemy and speak them out as if they were truth. What is truth? My Word is truth. No matter what you see, no matter what evidence you say there is--there is no evidence against truth. Truth is My evidence. (Kim Clement: "MY PROPHETS WILL NOT BE QUIET! For They Carry the Next Generation's BURDEN and POWER, says the Lord", The ElijahList, 1/11/08)
I have to confess, after all the false prophecies of Kim Clement I do wish he would "be quiet". I was incredulous when I read this "prophecy". It is always interesting to me that the "prophecies" of these false prophets always condemn them. Since Clement's words have ben proven to be false, then he himself has said where they come from. It truth is the "evidence" of true prophets then Clement has been proven over and over again to be a false prophet.
Added 4/22/08 And, the Lord said, "I am calling you, My people, to a higher place than you have ever been before. It is a place of favor and blessings, and it is a place where My treasure is hidden. Come up here, beloved, and I will give you some of the hidden manna (revelation)." (Bill and Marsha Burns: "2008 The Year of the Open Door--I AM Calling You to a HIGHER PLACE THAN YOU HAVE EVER BEEN Before", The ElijahList, 1/12/08)
The rewards to the seven church and Christians who overcome are not earthly rewards but ultimately rewards in heaven after we go to be with Him. Cases in point: Rev. 2:7 ... I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God. Rev. 2:1 ... He who overcomes will not be hurt at all by the second death. Rev. 3:12 Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. ... Rev. 3:21 I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne. The "hidden manna" is not "revelation". JFB Commentary comments: the hidden manna—the heavenly food of Israel, in contrast to the idol-meats (#Re 2:14). A pot of manna was laid up in the holy place "before the testimony." The allusion is here to this: probably also to the Lord’s discourse (#Joh 6:31-35). Translate, "the manna which is hidden." As the manna hidden in the sanctuary was by divine power preserved from corruption, so Christ in His incorruptible body has passed into the heavens, and is hidden there until the time of His appearing. Christ Himself is the manna "hidden" from the world, but revealed to the believer, so that he has already a foretaste of His preciousness. Compare as to Christ’s own hidden food on earth, #Joh 4:32,34, and #Job 23:12. The full manifestation shall be at His coming. Believers are now hidden, even as their meat is hidden. As the manna in the sanctuary, unlike the other manna, was incorruptible, so the spiritual feast offered to all who reject the world’s dainties for Christ is everlasting: an incorruptible body and life for ever in Christ at the resurrection. Barnes NT Notes says: Will I give to eat of the hidden manna. The true spiritual food; the food that nourishes the soul. The idea is, that the souls of those who "overcame," or who gained the victory in their conflict with sin, and in the persecutions and trials of the world, would be permitted to partake of that spiritual food which is laid up for the people of God, and by which they will be nourished for ever. Also, the treasure in heaven is not referring to material wealth and prosperity, but doing the works that God has ordained us to do in order to receive a reward in heaven after we go to be with Him (1 Tim. 6:19, Luke 12:33, Rev. 22:12). Based on these two unbiblical statements, this message cannot be from the Lord.
Added 4/20/08 Right as the last word came out of my mouth, the Holy Spirit said to me, "Go check your gas gauge again." I quickly did and it read "F." It had been full all along. Right then the Holy Spirit spoke to me again and said, "When your perspective is not aligned with Mine, even the things that are full in your life will appear empty." (Kathi Pelton: "God's Perspective in 2008--I Will SING Over My Children and Express My Delight in Them", The ElijahList, 1/16/08)
Sounds good, but is this prophecy "aligned" with what God has commanded us to do and not do? Here again we have an example of looking at natural occurrences in the world for omens. We are not to look for omens (De 18:10). We have the finished revelation (1 Cor. 4:6) of God's Word as our foundation (2 Cor. 2:16-17). Why? Because His Word is living and active (Heb. 4:12). The Holy Spirit speaks to true believers through His Word which is the Law and the Testimony (Is. 8:20) as written by Holy Spirit inspiration by the prophets, Apostles, and God Himself (1 Cor. 2:13, Rom. 15:4). We don't need omens from false prophets who are always looking for some way to come up with another "prophecy".
"Some of you have prayed for rain and some of you have prayed for wind. Some of you have prayed for the earth to shake. There's so much pain they watch and say, 'Lord, where are You?' Some of them don't understand that I work and I walk in the storms of life. Even in the midst of wind and rain and fire, you'll find Me there; you'll find Me there." (Kim Clement: "What Are You Waiting For? Now is the Time to Arise and Take the Promise of God", The ElijahList, 1/18/08)
Notice the working in of the four elements used in the occult. This is a regular theme of false prophets.
Added 4/20/08 Later in this same chapter, a very revealing statement is made by the Lord, which is the first clue on the road to ministry, "And He said unto them, 'I must preach the Kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.'" Luke 4:43 ... In that one brief moment in time, the strategy for "world missions" and "evangelism" was revealed to millions that would someday follow in His footsteps and say "I must preach the Kingdom of God to other cities also…" The pressing, unshakable gravity of the Kingdom, compelled Jesus forward into new regions and cities to propagate Heavenly seeds that would someday grow up into historic revivals. This mandate for ministry is still the standard today. WE CAN WIN THE WORLD, ONE CITY AT A TIME! ... From what Jesus is stating, we can conclude that cities are the keys that open the doors to nations and worldwide revival. ... The Church must come out of the contemporary mindset that abandons the streets and infrastructure of its cities and begin to invade them with every form of ministry and creativity at our disposal. Once we begin to open up this ancient strategy that Jesus first laid out, we will see the Heavens open and entire cities filled with joy as Phillip did. This is the "treasure" that Isaiah described that was "out of darkness" and within reach of every believer. (Chad Taylor: "Winning the World--ONE CITY AT A TIME--Opens the Doors to Nations and Worldwide Revival", The ElijahList, 1/21/08, capitalized emphasis in original)
This prophecy is a reiteration of the ideas laid down by C. Peter Wagner and Ed Silvoso and lays the basis for the "Tranformations" theology of the New Apostolic Reformation as detailed by people like George Otis, Jr. in his "Transformations" video series. The only problem is that, at it's core, it is built on twisting Scripture. If we look at the context of Luke 4:42-44 we find out that Jesus Christ was ministering to "people", not whole cities. Luke 4:42 At daybreak Jesus went out to a solitary place. The people were looking for him and when they came to where he was, they tried to keep him from leaving them. You cannot minister to a city without ministering to people. We as Christians are not called to win cities and nations for Christ. We are called to preach the Gospel to people everywhere. Lu 20:1 One day as he was teaching the people in the temple courts and preaching the gospel, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, together with the elders, came up to him. 2Co 9:13 Because of the service by which you have proved yourselves, men will praise God for the obedience that accompanies your confession of the gospel of Christ, and for your generosity in sharing with them and with everyone else. Rom. 10:13-15 for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." {Joel 2:32} How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!" {Isaiah 52:7} People are to share the Good News with people, not cities or nations that do not have a body, soul or spirit. This false idea of "win the world one city at a time" then is used to claim that "the Heaven's open and entire cities" will be "filled with joy". There is no reference about Philip having the "Heaven's opened" for him in the Bible. The "treasure" that Isaiah is talking about in Isa. 42:6-7 is a prophecy about Jesus Christ ministering to and setting free people, not cities and nations. Is. 45:1-3 is a prophecy about Cyrus (who, by the way, was prophesied by Isaiah, a true prophet, by name over 150 years before he was born!) in being God's instrument to free the Jews from the Babylonians and commission the temple to be rebuilt in Jerusalem. It has nothing to do with the Gentile Church. This is another in a long list of examples of verses being pulled from their context by false prophets and employed to suit their ends.
Added 4/20/08 Last year God asked me an unusual question: "Todd, are you ready to pray for people to receive a double portion?" Then, as I sought the Lord for direction in 2008, He brought that question to my remembrance as He said: "2008 is the year of the double portion"-- (Todd Bentley: "Prophetic Directions for 2008", The ElijahList, 1/23/08)
This is a reference to the "double portion anointing" that is so frequently espoused by Third Wave false teachers like Benny Hinn. Do you know when that happened? That happened days before the anointing on my life doubled. Literally! The ministries anointing doubled after that." (Honolulu Hawaii, Feb. 28, 1997 evening service). In 1991, Benny Hinn commissioned Rodney Howard-Browne to be the ‘laughter dispenser' in the so-called new wave of the Holy Spirit: ``Rodney, God has given you a great anointing for this. Let the holy laughter hit them in Jesus' mighty name...it's coming [zaps him].... Pick him up. Now release it on the people, Rodney!" Rodney replies: ``Be filled right now. In the name of Jesus, I command you to laugh right now. I loose the joy of the Lord right now. In the name of Jesus, let it bubble out of your belly right now in Jesus' name. Let the joy of the Lord bubble out of your belly. Lord make everybody drunk in the Holy Ghost. Make everybody drunk in the Holy Ghost. In the name of Jesus [repeated 10 times]....Double dose!" [Pushes people over, weird tongues with no interpretation, etc.] Mike Oppenheimer of Let Us Reason Ministries comments on the "double portion anointing": NOWHERE in the New Testament do we read of the anointing being transmitted from one person to another person by the laying on of hands. It was never by or from but through the laying on of hands (Acts 19). The apostles did not preach about receiving the anointing by their hands or ministry. Nor do we read of there being a “double-portion” anointing, or triple as Benny Hinn claims. What about Elisha, didn't he ask for a double portion of Elijah's spirit? He did not ask for a double portion of his anointing. These are two different words in the Hebrew. (http://www.letusreason.org/Pent2.htm) This is a false prophecy because it is based on a false teaching.
The Spirit of the Lord has revealed to me numerous times, what I, from Scripture, would consider some of His favorite colors. This may seem distractive to some, especially if you have a hard time driving at night. (Who knows? Maybe this will help those of you who can't see too well to drive at night.) (Tom Panich: "Yahweh's Life Expressions: His Colors, His Lights and His Sounds", The ElijahList, 1/29/08)
The Bible says nothing about God having "favorite colors". God created all the colors, seen and unseen. On that basis we can assume that all colors created by God, which He called "very good", are His favorites (Gen. 1:31). This vision makes this false prophet sound like he has inside information about God not revealed in Scripture. That is classic Gnosticism.
Recently I went into another heart vision and saw people walking inside the heart of God. It was literally a live, breathing, pulsating heart. We were beating as one with Him, engrafted in the core of His innermost heart chamber. God's heart is full of infinite crevices and He is longing for us to discover the many facets of Him as we walk inside the innermost chambers and begin pouring them out. When you walk inside God's heart, you will begin knowing the depths of Him. As you begin walking with the heart of God, you will be walking as one with Him. Your heart will be beating at the same beat of His. You will feel what He feels as He shares the intimate details of His heart. (Julie Smith:"The Greatest Destiny of a Man is the DESTINY OF A LOVER", The ElijahList, 2/13/08)
There is no mention here of God's written Word, the Bible. There is also no mention of the Word incarnate, Jesus Christ. How can a person "share the intimate details of His heart" if they do not dig deep into the Word of God and obey it? How can they "feel what He feels" if they do not really know Him as He is revealed to us in the ultimate revelation, the Bible? This is simply mysticism without truth.
An Explosion of Faith and Healing ... A shift will occur in the area of faith. The prophetic movement and sectors of the faith camp will have a divine interchange. This convergence will create a culture for a new wave of miracles. As in the medical field when a scientific breakthrough is discovered and new cures are found, breakthroughs in healing ministries will occur. What was once considered hard cases to heal will begin to be normal and regular occurrences. Greater insight and increased authority over the deaf and dumb spirit and the demonic spirit of infirmity will result in many healings from deafness and long-term generational illnesses. (James Goll and Al Thomas:"It's the Time of the Changing of the Guard" and "The Spirit of Barnabas is About to Be Unleashed", The ElijahList, 2/16/08)
To date not one true documented case of Divine healing has been presented to the public coming from any Third Wave meetings. Every time the media has investigated people like Benny Hinn and others they have not been able to produce documented true Divine healings. In fact people go away with promises of healing but they are still not healed, and some have even died because of false promises being made by the false "faith healers". So certainly no "hard cases" will be healed either. Hard cases are routinely turned away at Third Wave meetings. "Healings" being attributed to God are not Divine healings because they do not meet Biblical criteria. Most if not all faith healers end up going to the regular medical establishment for healing rather then healing themselves or seeking out another faith healer. Many faith healers have died of the same afflictions they claim to be able to heal. God does heal people today, but as Christians we are admonished to bring sick people to the Church elders and have them pray for them. God may or may not heal as healing is NOT guaranteed in the Atonement. We leave everything up to the Lord praying "Thy will be done". When we obey the Lord and His Word then we can see many Divine healings take place, which is what I have seen in my lifetime. Those who expect healing at the hands of false Third Wave prophets will NEVER experience true Divine healing unless they repent and turn. I feel sorry for them.

Kim Clement: I Speak these Words that I Hear Bellowing, "Whoever had a Grip on You, and Walked on Your Territory--AMPUTATION!" ... The Spirit of God says, "Would Jacob have enchantment against him? Would Israel have divination come against him?" For God said, "There will be no divination; there will be no enchanting," for the Spirit of God said, "What has been made as a declaration has no signature. Every prognosis that's come against you, it doesn't have a signature. Because the signature of God is all that you need for something to happen to take away the grief." ... I pronounce from the Spirit of God that a new dimension of energy, passion, vigor has been released upon you, this house, the people of God who receive it. "New energy," and God says, "because of the restoration of the energy and vitality and vigor upon My Body, so I will release very soon the new source of energy--the new sources of energy to this Nation. It will only truly come about when My people enter into a new realm of energy that is coming from the oil of the Lord. The oil of the Lord shall bring the flame and your flame shall not go out. Your candle shall not go out. This energy that I bring to America shall cause the candle or the flame to burn continuously and never come to an end," says the Lord! (Kim Clement: I Speak these Words that I Hear Bellowing, "Whoever had a Grip on You, and Walked on Your Territory--AMPUTATION!", The ElijahList, 2/17/08)
God "bellowing"? That sounds very irreverent, perhaps even blasphemous. How can God be decreeing an end to divination and enchanting when this is the stock and trade of false prophets like Kim Clement? This prophecy is typical in that it talks about God as "energy", "new energy" and a "new source of energy". This is teaching people to think of God as a pantheistic "force". It is good to have times of refreshing and revival from the Lord. But the true zeal for the Lord comes from a deep commitment to obey Him, not from outside in via false impartations. This is why the New Apostolic Reformation is so unable to reform anyone.
Some of you may remember songs such as, "I Write the Songs" and, "Killing Me Softly" that were popular in the 80's. The Lord spoke to me and said those songs were actually about HIM, and He DOES write the songs that will bring forth healing, even across the airways. (Joni Ames: "SONS OF THUNDER: It's Time to SHIFT GEARS and Take Our DREAMS into the Realm of REALITY", The ElijahList, 12/17/08)
No they were not. "I Write The Songs" was performed by Barry Manilow but actually written by a Bruce Johnston. Bruce was driving on the San Diego Freeway, working his way up the steep incline toward Mullholland Drive, when he got the idea for "I Write the Songs." He took the next offramp and returned home so he could work out the tune on the piano, and made a cassette of his new tune. He submitted it to a Japanese song festival, but it was rejected as being unsuitable. (http://www.superseventies.com/sw_iwritethesongs.html) It is actually about some kind of energy or force that allegedly "writes music" though people. It represents the popular pantheistic worldview of Eastern mysticism. The title has been misunderstood to mean that the singer (or songwriter) "writes the songs," but the actual songwriter, The Beach Boys' Bruce Johnston, has stated that the "I" in the song is "music." He went on to say that songs come from the spirit of music in all of us: "I am music, and I write the songs." He also stated in several interviews that this song had been written as an homage to Brian Wilson, the "genius" who has written the best music of The Beach Boys. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Write_the_Songs) "Killing Me Softly" is a 1971 song composed by Charles Fox and Norman Gimbel. The song was inspired by a poem by Lori Lieberman, "Killing Me Softly with His Blues", which she wrote after seeing a then-unknown Don McLean perform the song "Empty Chairs" live. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_Me_Softly_with_His_Song) Neither of these songs have anything to do with God and were not written about God as evidenced by the comments of the writers themselves.
We need to be able to legislate from Heaven and bring it down to earth. ... I feel that in this time, the Lord is also raising up end time global war generals. This is part of what the Lord is doing. There is a shifting in the government of God. We are already beginning to see a shift across denominational lines. ... Just like there is going to be great judgment, there is also going to be a great revival and a great harvest! (Jill Austin:"Knowing the Times and Seasons -- The Lord is Raising Up End Time Global War Generals", The ElijahList, 2/19/08)
Here again we see the same Latter Rain themes. Yet there is nowhere in the Bible where Christians are to "legislate from Heaven". That is God's purview. Yes we are seated with Him in the heavenlies, meaning that Jesus is our Advocate with the Father and therefore we have our requests heard before Him. But we do not command or legislate anything. We don't need "global war generals" we need committed Christians who are willing to witness and speak the truth in this time of lies. There is no "shifting in the government of God" only a shifting in the "second apostolic age". There is always a shifting and jostling in the NAR because they have gone beyond what is written. 1Co 4:6 Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not take pride in one man over against another. Finally, the theme of a "great revival" in our time is reiterated. There will be no great revival in our end time, and those who promote this are deceivers. There will be a falling away, an apostasy, which is where we are at now. 2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; There will be what amounts to a great revival during the Tribulation when the remnant of the Jews come to believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah. But before the Tribulation there will be a falling away. Of course, when the Gospel is preached in truth, some will believe. But that will not be a large group. Few will find the narrow way. Mt 7:14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
God says, ... I peel back every layer to see clearly into the innermost hidden place of the heart. I see with a perfect vision. I beckon unto you, My Church, let Me take you into the season of mature and ripened fruit in My house. I am calling forth the Bride that is perfected in My ways of love. Do not be discouraged, My Bride, even in this you are growing and moving along in the swiftness of My Spirit. I have seen your willingness, and as your understanding increases, you shall shine more brightly and increase in Kingdom power. It's in the understanding of My love, to love." (Taffie Furr: God Says, "LOVE will be the DISTINGUISHING CHARACTERISTIC of MY BRIDE", The ELijahList, 2/20/08)
Love without understanding and truth is useless. 1Co 13:6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. If a person claims to love God they will obey His commands. Joh 14:15 "If you love me, you will obey what I command. One of the commands for those who claim to love the Lord is to get away from false teachers and false prophets. Ro 16:17 I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. Those who falsely prophesy know nothing of maturity in the Faith. That is because they do not know or understand the Biblical definition of maturity. Heb 5:14 But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil. Those who are mature practice discernment. Solid food is eaten by digging deep into the Word of God to learn what God wants us to know, not hanging on every word out of the mouths of false prophets. Eph. 4:13-14 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fulness of Christ. Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. The craftiness of scheming of the New Apostolic Reformation "prophets" is clear. They would turn Christians aside by lofty words into the false doctrines of Dominionism ("Kingdom power"), Word of Faith, Latter Rain, Emerging Church and a whole host of other ways to shipwreck their faith, if they ever had any to begin with.
I hear the Lord saying, ... you'll find yourself in new waters. Fear not new waters and an uncharted course! I'm causing My compass to come down in your midst to direct you out of this coldness that's come and surrounded you. The coldness of your atmosphere has caused you to not come out and fish. I am taking you to waters that are 'fish-filled.' Do not rely upon old methods, for the Light that I begin to burn in you will draw many fish to you. Your supply is there. Gain momentum, stoke your fire, break the coldness and the waters with Me." (Chuck Pierce and Bobby Conner:"Overcome Your Momentum Robbers!" and "Discovering God's Original Intent", The ElijahList, 2/21/08)
For the leadership of the New Apostolic, of which Chuck Pierce is at the top, there are always new things, new anointings, new revelation. Everything has to be "new" in order to titillate and motivate those in the movement. There always has to be a new surprise around every corner. The old is bad, the new is good. Now unbelievers will be drawn to the Light in us, according to Pierce, not the proclamation of the Gospel message, which is part of the "old method". The new method is all about feelings and emotions. The problem with people being drawn to Christianity by hype is that it does not last. There has to be a real decision made because of the evidence presented from the written Word. When a person realizes they are a sinner before a Holy God and they repent then emotions of sorrow and regret come into play. But if a person goes to a church and is invited to come up front to get the transferable "anointing" without really believing and having a change of heart and mind, then no amount of emotion or new methodology will do them any good.
This past week while we were worshipping, it was as if the Lord gave me supernatural vision and I saw our emotions. I could see that the enemy had made ploys against God's saints to block feelings in us, to stop us from gaining new zeal in the Lord. I saw satan and his forces had erected hidden snares and were creating offenses to wound our wellbeing and capture our soul expressions, causing us to stumble and lose momentum. ... During the service, the Spirit of God began to speak the following: "Some of you are voicing that you have been destined to live at the foot of the mount. But I AM saying to you that I Am sending revelation to open your eyes and give you new vision. I hear many of you saying, 'I see the vision for my future, but I have no strength to climb the mount and stake my claim on that which you have shown me.' But hear Me NOW! I will cause you to be energized in the night and I will come to you with dreams. I will surprise you with visions in the day and your power naps will begin to produce light to guide you and energy that will cause you to arise and pursue My plan. ... Pack now and arise! Your provision is waiting at the next level. The river is making an unusual turn, upwards. The course of the river is beginning to change. Jump in and go up! A new height, a new momentum, and a new strength will enter your soul. Grab your bags and arise. Do not sit any longer in a low place. Arise! Arise! Arise, for your provision will come from level to level and height to height. Receive the grace to go up. Let grace abound. This is a season of super-abounding grace. These next two months you must receive GRACE!" (CHUCK PIERCE: EXTRA: "Beware! The Enemy is Manipulating Your Emotions!", The ElijahList, 2/22/08)
The mark of a false prophet in the Bible is one who almost always predicts good things. Jer 23:17 They keep saying to those who despise me, ‘The LORD says: You will have peace.’ And to all who follow the stubbornness of their hearts they say, ‘No harm will come to you. Eze 13:10 "‘Because they lead my people astray, saying, "Peace," when there is no peace, and because, when a flimsy wall is built, they cover it with whitewash. These kinds of "prophecies" are what the people want. Isa 30:10 They say to the seers, "See no more visions!" and to the prophets, "Give us no more visions of what is right! Tell us pleasant things, prophesy illusions. Jer 5:31 The prophets prophesy lies, the priests rule by their own authority, and my people love it this way. But what will you do in the end? They almost always say "I had a dream". Jer 23:25 "I have heard what the prophets say who prophesy lies in my name. They say, ‘I had a dream! I had a dream!’ Now God, according to Pierce, will allegedly be giving visions during "power naps". He himself had a vision of the emotions of "God's people". Just what form did "emotions" take in his dream I have to wonder? Chuck says "just jump in the river", the overworked phrase of those in the Third Wave who want Christians to get involved in their spiritual debauchery. Everything is always leading up to another level when the Bible says nothing about levels. According to Chuck this is all happening because the enemy is allegedly "blocking feelings" in them. I have seen no evidence of "blocked feelings" in their meetings, in fact the opposite. If anything the enemy is getting them to think they have power by overwhelming their feelings so they will not use the minds God gave them to be able to discern truth from error. 2Co 4:4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. Eph. 4:22-24 You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; to be made new in the attitude of your minds; and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness. Interesting how often false prophets speak judgment upon themselves without even knowing it. The enemy surely is "manipulating their emotions".
Now in 2008, God has brought new revelation and application. The Saints Movement is the catalyst to launch the Church into the Third and final Apostolic Reformation. The First Apostolic Reformation occurred in the 1st century with the launching of the era of the New Testament Church. The Second Apostolic Reformation, which is known to historians as the Reformation, transitioned the Church from the "Dark Ages" to beginning the period of the restoration of the Church (see Acts 3:21). This Reformation will bring about a paradigm shift in the goal and purpose of the Church. Most Evangelical and Pentecostal theologians see no purpose for the Church other than to win more souls to Christ so they are made ready for Heaven. Now we are receiving revolutionary, reformed thinking from the heart and mind of God. The expanded goal and vision of the Third Reformation Church is to co-labor with Christ in His passionate desire for the fulfillment of Revelation 11:15: "...there were loud voices in Heaven, saying, 'The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!'" (BILL HAMON: "2008 IS THE Beginning of the Third and Final Apostolic Reformation", The ElijahList, 2/24/08)
Interestingly Bill Hamon, a member of the International Coalition of Apostles headed by C. Peter Wagner, is giving a different picture than Wagner. Dr. C. Peter Wagner wrote in "Kingdom Philanthropy" (posted on Elijah List, June 20, 2006). "We now live in the Second Apostolic Age in which the Biblical government of the Church has come alive once again. The Holy Spirit has begun speaking to the churches about taking dominion of God's creation as God originally intended us to do. Our 20th Century goal of saving souls and multiplying churches has been expanded to aim for nothing less than transforming our society." But Hamon claims we are in the Third Apostolic Reformation. I think they need to get their stories straight, especially if they are saying they got this information from the Lord. If the Second Apostolic Reformation was the Reformation itself then it could not be what we are living in today. The fact is that neither the Reformation nor the present time represent ANY KIND of apostolic reformation. Rev. 11:15 is referring to the Millennial Kingdom, not the present time. This Hamon teaching and prophecy is Dominionism, a major tenet for the Latter Rain of which Bill Hamon and Paul Cain are among only a few of the surviving leadership from the 1940's. If Wagner identifies himself as the head apostle of the NAR like James was the head of the apostolic council in Jerusalem, as he has declared himself, then why is Hamon coming up with a different description of the present time allegedly given to him by the Lord?
To put it plainly, this is what the Lord was saying to His children: 1. They had a death structure attached to their lives. God passed by them and saw them struggling in their blood. For us, God is saying that He is presently overshadowing us with His presence and desires to set us free from generational blood lines that are affecting our future. 2. He is overthrowing that death structure and declaring, "Live!" We can shift today by hearing the Word of the Lord and not listening to the devil who tries to "peddle his lies." 3. God desires to cover us with His love and power. He is promising to remove us from barrenness and cause us to thrive and mature. 4. He is washing us, cleansing us and anointing us. 5. He is reinforcing His covenant with each of us and placing a crown on our heads. How awesome! This promise is for us to receive today. Unfortunately, Jerusalem chose to not receive God's best for her. She became unfaithful to Him and negated the covenant relationship that God so very much desired. This attitude kept Israel in bondage and, if we do not choose to cut the cords to our past, we will also remain a slave to our enemy. Dear ones, let's decide today to cut ourselves free. (Bill and Marsha Burns AND Sandie Freed: "Prepare for a Short Season of Clean Up" and "This is Our Season to Be CUT LOOSE FROM THE PAST!", The ElijahList, 2/26/08)
We cannot cut any cords to the past without being saved, and it is trusting in salvation that cuts the cords of sin from the past. But the worst part of this is that it is alleging that Christians can "remain a slave to the enemy". Christians are either slaves to the Lord being born again, or they are slaves to the enemy still living in unregenerate sin. We do not cut ourselves free. God cuts us free of the enemy. This is evidenced by the fact that unbelievers can have no victory over sin without being saved.
The Lord says: ... Ask the Lord to heal your spleen. The spleen is a very important organ. The spleen works with the stomach to produce an accurate and efficient digestive system. The spleen plays an essential role in the transportation and transformation of nutrients. The spleen controls the blood flow. If you are overly anxious, your spleen is probably not working efficiently. (Chuck Pierce and John Mark Pool, "LEAP FORWARD! An 8-Day Prayer Focus and Take a Leap of Faith!", The ElijahList, 2/28/08)
So are we all supposed to do this because God decreed it? Can you imagine God telling all Christians to ask for healing for their spleens? What if my spleen is fine? Aren't they able to remove a person's spleen and they continue to live a normal life? After spleen removal the only thing that person has to do is get vaccinated against getting pneumonia. But that is a vaccination many people get who have their spleens. Complete recovery from the surgery itself should be anticipated, in the absence of other severe injuries or medical problems. (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002944.htm)
There are some very specific purposes, plans and promises that God desires to bring forth through us. Being hidden in God, our Mountain of Refuge, we cannot be found by the enemy. Our key is found in His dwelling place, living in simple obedience to Him. Joshua 6:15-16, "But it came to pass on the seventh day that they rose early, about the dawning of the day, and marched around the city seven times in the same manner. On that day only they marched around the city seven times. And the seventh time it happened, when the priests blew the trumpets, that Joshua said to the people: 'Shout, for the LORD has given you the city!'" Once the fullness of this season on the mountain has ended, there will be a window of release, engagement and securing victory. This year is a year of multiplied victories on every front. But this word is not a word of nonaggression. We are to be aggressive in taking the land with the strategies that the Lord gives us. However, we must remember that the steps we take are going to only be as effective as our time spent with Him on His Mountain. (John Belt: "Journey to Take the Land--We are in a SEASON of ADVANCEMENT for the Lord's Kingdom Purposes", The ElijahList, 3/6/08)
If I had a dollar for each time a story or verse from the Old Testament is taken out of context and misapplied to the Gentile Church by the false prophets of the Third Wave, I would be a rich man. As I said at the top of this article, I don't have time to go through every misapplied verse from the OT and show how it has been misapplied. You can look for yourself. In this instance the story of the fall of Jericho is used to come up with some battle we have to allegedly fight today. Victory brought about by obeying the Lord at Jericho is magically transported to the present by Belt as a rallying cry to take Dominion over "every front". Christians are told to be aggressive in this Dominionist quest and the strategies of the false apostles. But mature believers must reject what the Dominionists are prophesying. We must rely on the Word of God and true unity in the Faith so that "we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. Make no mistake about it. The schemes of the enemy involve twisting and misusing the Word of God in order to lead Christians into apostasy.
I heard the Lord begin to say: ... Nations are hanging in the balance! My Kingdom government will now begin to rise up and form to influence the government of the earth. (Chuck Pierce, "The Voice of Change is Stirring Us to Come UP from the Wilderness!", The ElijahList, 3/8/08)
Jesus Christ will establish His Kingdom when He comes at the beginning of the 1000 years (Rev. 20:6). There is no leading up to this in terms of Kingdom establishment except that the Kingdom will be established in individuals hearts who have believed (Heb. 12:28, Col. 1:13, Rom. 14:17). The physical establishment of the Millennial Kingdom has no age leading up to it except the Gentile Christian age and, in the end (which is where we are) an age of Apostasy and Tribulation (2 Thes. 2:3). Anyone who promotes Dominionism is actually preparing people for the one to come before Christ, the Antichrist.
We are heading into two of the most rearranging, realigning months that we have ever known in the history of this generation. What occurs during these days will set a course for our lives and this nation. The Lord woke me at 1 o'clock on Tuesday morning, March 4th, 2008. As I walked into the bathroom I noticed a calligraphy verse: "Lean not on your own understanding." This verse lit up even though the light was not on in the bathroom. The verse became red and yellow like fire. When I went back in at 5 AM, I noticed that the verse was actually in navy blue! I heard the Lord begin to say: ... I will show you how evil is working. I will let you hear the voice of evil-- that voice that has been distracting, confronting, and taunting you. My cause will rise up in you. My words will form in your mouth. You will speak it to the atmosphere and the atmosphere around you will change. ... Spheres of authority will be rearranged in these next 40 days. The power of My words in your mouth will cause a breakthrough. Don't miss your window of opportunity or fail to recognize the catalyst I am creating for rearranged momentum. Receive an anointing to leap over the mountain that has been deceiving and intimidating you. ... War for the next 21 days to see My call come forth. ... You will be accosted by the enemy three times to keep you from finding and standing firm on the highway that I am forming to bring you through and into your new! ... Nations are hanging in the balance! My Kingdom government will now begin to rise up and form to influence the government of the earth. ... I am calling for a new release of power over these 40 days. (Chuck Pierce: "CHUCK PIERCE: Important! 40-day Prophecy and 2-Month DECREE to the Body of Christ", The ElijahList,3/9/08)
No fulfillment of the "prophecy" has evidenced itself. They have had their big meetings but nothing is really happening to change anything. Again we have Pierce relying on an omen (De. 18:10) in the form of a Bible verse that allegedly lit up and burned. Why do I doubt this actually happened? If God were showing Third Wavers how evil is working He would be revealing to them that they are following and promoting false apostles and false prophets like Pierce. But that has not happened. You can't be any worse of a false apostle when you claim you have apostolic authority over the Church, in the world and even in the heavenlies like Chuck, C. Peter Wagner and others have claimed. Read False Apostles for more information. Suffice it to say that the Biblical definition of a false apostle is one who claims to be equal to (or greater than) the foundational apostles. 2 Cor. 11:12-15 And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. "You will speak it to the atmosphere" is clear Word of Faith "confession" heresy. It is also New Age terminology. There is also always another "anointing" to be had for every job. There is only one Anointing and that is the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ give to those who are born again. True saints are empowered by God to do His Will and given gifts to do so but they are not given a whole host of "anointings" to do so. That is patently unbiblical. There is also always the "new" thing brought in by the false prophets. Everything has to be new, new, new. It is not God's Kingdom rising up and taking over the "government of the earth". God's Kingdom will come at His second coming. The coming "government" will be a global government headed by Satan Himself through the AntiChrist. All these false prophets are just leading people astray to run after the woman who rides the beast.
God says, "And though gross darkness has covered you, My glory shall arise and shine upon you. For that very text of Scripture was written for such a time as this, and you will not fail in the time of testing and you will pour it back upon the King of kings and the Lord of lords. Great charity will break poverty, and Africa will become a storehouse to the nations.There will be storehouses filled with new manna and new bread, and other countries in the next decade will come to Africa to fill their bags and fill their ships. I will completely turn it around, for all things work together for the good of those called according to My purposes, and My purposes are coming into fullness, fullness, fullness. (Chad Taylor, "Africa will become a Storehouse to the Nations--the Army and the Wealth of Esau is Coming Back", The ElijahList, 3/10/08)
If Africa could simply feed itself through crop production and the ending of tyranny, that would be a miracle enough. But these people are so deluded they think God has told them that Africa will be "a storehouse to the nations". This is obviously a false prophecy, both materially and spiritually. And God's purposes have always been in fulness.
God is communicating His big dream of ending abortion in a most profound way through the dream stream story of Horton Hears A Who by Dr. Seuss. ... The Lord is SHOUTING to the nation! Will we have ears to hear what the Spirit is saying? ... A great convergence is upon us. If the Church understands the times and what God is seeking to bring forth, we can shout to the nation, before the movie comes out, that Horton Hears a Who is about the ending of abortion--so when millions of people watch the movie, they will all be thinking, "A person's a person, no matter how small--The Whos are the unborn!" ... Can you see it? This is God's trumpet to the nation! God is marching out, shattering ideologies, and moving His great Mind and Heart into the earth. ... The moral of the story is this: he who cares for the unwanted child--that child will take on the nature of the one who cared for it. It is the spirit of adoption! ... Let the prophetic Church arise and carry the heart of Heaven! Let them hear The Call for united fasting and prayer on behalf of those who have no voice! Let the prophetic Church hear what the world can't hear, and may they blow the trumpet once again, declaring, "God has a dream, and we have His dream, and millions will be mobilized to become the river of justice rolling down again..." (Lou Engle and Steve Shultz:On Eve of Jim Carrey's MOVIE: "HORTON HEARS A WHO?"--Is God up to Something? Was HORTON an "ACCIDENTAL" PRO-LIFE COMMENTARY?, The ElijahList, 3/11/08)
Wow. All this from the upcoming release of a movie? Did Dr. Suess intend the "whos" to be about unborn children? Suess (Theodor Seuss Geisel) drew "over 400 (political cartoons) in two years as editorial cartoonist for the left-wing New York City daily newspaper, PM. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Seuss). So it is highly doubtful Suess would have been pro-life and using the story of Horton to make that point. Horton's ears were said to be a sort of symbol of angel wings in that Horton was a saintly character, but this is as far as any Biblical sort of analogy went with Suess. False prophets like Engle and Shultz should read up on their history before they put out false analogies. Also God does not sleep therefore He does not dream. Millions were not mobilized by this movie because the movie is not about abortion but simply a story.
Revelation comes upon us with the chaos of life itself, reproducing the chaotic randomness of pure experience. It is unpredictable and will cause chaos in your regular, stagnant life. (Kim Clement: "Chaotic Randomness of Pure Experience--Revelation Comes Upon Us with the Chaos of Life", The ElijahList, 3/16/08)
This is not a prophecy but a teaching of Kim Clement. This teaching about revelation coming upon prophets that "will cause chaos" shows that his prophecies cannot be from the Lord. The Lord is not chaotic nor will He throw His servants into a chaotic state in order to communicate His Word. 1 Co 14:33 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints, Instead we find this among the false prophets: Jas 3:16 For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice. If "revelation" causes a Christian to become chaotic or disorderly, then that "revelation" is not from God who desires us to not worry about tomorrow (Matt. 6:34) and who gives us peace (John 14:27).
"He will cause His voice of authority to be heard from the north to the south, to the east and to the west. And He will visit His people yet again. Prepare, the day is arriving; prepare the hour is upon thee; the travails and the birth pangs of this last season are coming to an end and the afterbirth is being taken off of you. For God is making of you a new thing, and God is doing a new thing in the earth, and there will be a fresh cry of revival. There will be a fresh cry of renewal. There will be a fresh cry of restoration, and there will be a fresh cry of proclamation. And because of that, the saints will lift their voice in unabashed, unashamed praise--for the sound of praise will be greater than you have ever heard it in any other day in your life. The sound of thunder will not only be from Heaven, but there shall be a thunder come from the spirit of the saints, as they are set free." (Mark Chironna: A GREAT SHAKING IS COMING -- NOT OF THE EARTH, BUT OF MEN’S SPIRITS! - STRONGHOLDS WILL BE SHAKEN OFF!, The ElijahList, 3/23/08)
The "cry" of the false prophets is that there is a great end times revival coming. They keep "crying" but no true revival has happened. What has happened is that those who say they are part of the "Church" yet follow false prophets are going deeper and deeper into the end times Apostasy (2 Thes. 2:3). Also, where in the Bible does it talk about believers having "afterbirth" on them? The only mention of afterbirth in the Bible is in Deut. 28:57 and it has nothing to do with what Chironna is saying. There always has to be a "fresh cry of revival" among those who have the false anointing. That is because, apparently, they have not been "set free" and are still looking for something to motivate them. Those who are truly born again are set free and already obeying the Lord. Times of revival and refreshing can follow repentance (Acts 3:19) if a person truly believes in the true Jesus Christ, not the false one being portrayed by these apostate movements. Third Wavers continually demonstrate that they want revival first, then they will somehow be set free. But since they have not repented of the myriad of false doctrines they teach, the false prophets they listen to, the false apostles they follow, and the false anointing that drives them, they will not see revival. They always talk about God doing a "new thing" but have not understood that it is not God doing what is happening in their meetings and in their lives.
GODS WANTS YOU TO HAVE HIS HOLY SPIRIT – Because He WANTS TO TEACH YOU TO SLAY GIANTS! (And find lost items and raise the dead) (Keith Miller: GODS WANTS YOU TO HAVE HIS HOLY SPIRIT – Because He WANTS TO TEACH YOU TO SLAY GIANTS! (And find lost items and raise the dead), The ElijahList, 3/24/08)
First of all, anyone who is truly born again has the baptism, indwelling and seal of the Holy Spirit. God can then specially empower His children for service. How many dead have been raised by the false prophets of followers of the Third Wave? The answer is none ... not one true documented case. God can raise the dead and has done so through history. But stories of dead raisings are routinely passed around in Third Wave churches without one shred of verification. If these false prophets would repent and ask God, He would slay the "giant" of the sin of false prophecy and false anointings. Until they repent of what they are doing they will NEVER see a true divine miracle, only lying signs and wonders. That is the sad part of all this.
From the desk of Steve Shultz: That's right! I hear God speak all the time. But you know what? It's not enough! It's NEVER enough. Nor should it be enough. Now, if I hear God speak all the time and it's never enough for me... and if when He does speak, I often want Him to speak yet more and I want Him to speak louder, it's hard to imagine what it would be like for someone who claims they don't hear God speak. (Steve Shultz: "Don't You Sometimes Want to Shout, 'CAN'T YOU TALK LOUDER, GOD?' I do! And I Hear From HIM All the Time!", The ElijahList, 3/25/08)
Ever heard of reading your Bible to "hear God speak", Steve? You might also benefit from not publishing a steady stream of false prophecies. But then you might actually have to listen to what the Lord is saying about getting away from false prophets by obeying His written Word.
I was inside of His heart! The incense! The thick heavy smells began to overwhelm my senses.” -- Jill Austin ... Suddenly, I found myself on the chest of Jesus. Like John the Beloved, I could feel my face up against His linen robes--the soft fabric around my face. I could hear His heart--the sound of eternity--that gigantic chamber of love, embracing me. I felt so loved and so protected. This intimacy of His heart went deep into my very being. Leaning! I was leaning deeper into His heart. I could feel His arms embracing me. And then, I could feel His heart open up. And I'm drawn into the literal heart of Jesus--the eternal residence of this tremendous heartbeat. ... (Jill Austin: "SUDDENLY I FOUND MYSELF ON JESUS' CHEST!", The ElijahList, 3/25/08)
This wacky vision comes from an old Gnostic idea. I was in a restaurant and a man was witnessing to a group of people at a table near us. I was grateful that he had the boldness to witness until I heard what he was telling them. He was saying that you can't really understand the Gospel until you experience it. He said that the reason John was a close friend of Jesus and had more revelation that any other disciple was that he laid on Jesus breast at the Last Supper. He got some kind of Gnostic special revelation ability from being in physical contact with the Lord. This man was teaching lies. (1) The "laying on Jesus' breast" incident occurred at the Last Supper (John 13:25) yet all the disciples would have touched the Lord repeatedly during His time on earth, i.e., Thomas. But this laying on Jesus' chest had no power transfer, slain in the spirit, or magical connection attached to it. (2) The Gnostics always claim special ability through false prophecies and visions to be able to impart special new revelation knowledge beyond the Bible. (3) For Autsin to compare herself to the Apostle John is simply a way to try to glorify herself. (4) Thick heavy smells are often reported in occult situations and apostate churches that traffic in the false anointing. God is not into perfuming rooms full of people to prove He is there. Where two or three are gathered He has promised He is already there (Mt. 18:20). There is no evidence of perfuming from God in the Bible. (5) No one has or will literally be "drawn" into Jesus' heart. Jesus Christ is the God-man and is now in His glorified body at the right hand of the Father in heaven. Since this is presented as the "literal heart of Jesus" then it cannot be figurative.
God Spoke in My Bathroom, "THE TIME OF ACCELERATION IS AT HAND!" ... My bathroom is one of the places in the house where I spend a lot of time in prayer and worship. In fact, I spend so much time in there being in the presence of the Lord, that often times I can just walk into that room and immediately hear His voice speaking insight and revelation to me. It makes sense to me that if the Lord was going to grab my attention by disrupting the time on a clock, it would be the clock in that particular room. ... the Lord said to me, "The time of acceleration is at hand." (Taffie Furr: God Spoke in My Bathroom, "THE TIME OF ACCELERATION IS AT HAND!", The ElijahList, 3/26/08)
I could make a joke here about "acceleration" in the bathroom but I will refrain. Not sure if the bathroom is the best place to be "worshipping" the Lord. This is a prophecy based on an omen. She should probably get a new clock since clocks are meant to tell accurate time, not be fast or slow. This is akin to other Third Wave prophecies based on birds flying over, cloud shapes and any other natural occurrence that can be misconstrued into a "prophecy". De 18:10 Let no-one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in {Or who makes his son or daughter pass through} the fire, who practises divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft ...
God had a dream for America. ... God’s dream is that America should be an instrument of humanitarianism wherever corruption and tyranny prevail. ... God’s dream for America, first and foremost, begins within the small unit within every house in America. ... If you want to participate in God’s dream in a greater way, I would challenge you to read a new book that I have written with Tony Perkins, President of the Family Research Council. (Harry R. Jackson, Jr.: "What Is God's Dream For America?" and…“Will America Serve the Lord or Baal?”, The ElijahList, 3/29/08)
The Biblical facts? God never sleeps, therefore He does not dream. God is Self existent: John 5:26, Unchangeable: Heb. 1:10-12; 13:8, Eternal: John 1:1; 8:58; 17:5; Col. 1:17; Heb. 1:2, Omnipresent: Matt. 18:20; 28:20; John 3:13; Eph.1:23; 4:10: Col. 3:11, Omniscient: John 16:30; 21:17; cf. 2:23-24. God would not be God if He slept. This kind of language is pervasive among Third Wave "prophets". Tommy Tenney has written books about God's dreams. Tenney is a United Pentecostal Oneness heretic who does not believe in the Trinity. Intriguing then is the inspiration for this "prophecy" coming from the Family Research Council.
In January 2008, I had a vision after a period of fasting and praying. In this vision I saw mantles lying on the ground of nations and continents. The mantles were everywhere. While very old, they were not worn out. When I asked, "What are these mantles?" I heard the voice of the Lord say, "This is the mantle of Elijah. It is the authority to call down fire from Heaven. It is also the authority to speak to the wind and the waves and have them obey. This mantle is available for those who will pick them up and put them on--but be careful! Holiness is required to wear the mantle. Otherwise, it will turn around and bite you on the heel." (Arleen M. Westerhof: A Prophetic Directive for the Netherlands and to the whole Church: "Speak to the Wind and the Waves and the Weather!", The ElijahList, 3/30/08)
Elijah PRAYED (did not "call down") to the Lord for fire to come down (1 Kings 18:36) to demonstrate that He is the only true God. That was a unique occurrence in history which will not be repeated till the end times. And this is not some kind of occurrence that Christians are commanded to repeat. In fact the Bible does speak of the next two occurrences of this phenomenon. The next one will be from the Antichrist. Re 13:13 And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. The last one will be God's judgment on those who want to wipe out God's people at the end of the Millennium.. Re 20:9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. So this prophecy is leading people astray to follow the Antichrist because the devil will be behind the next fire from heaven. The Lord is the only One who can command fire from heaven, change the weather, walk the waves. Christians can pray for a change in the weather but they cannot "command" the weather. There is no such mantle for Christians today.
A New Foundation Is Being Poured Into The Body of Christ! ... Recently, I saw a vision of a huge cement truck pulling up outside of God's House. It was there to begin to pour a fresh new foundation in the place of the old foundation, which had been cracked and marred, and it could no longer hold what was coming: the weight of the glory of God. I sensed the Lord saying to all of us in His Body to stand back and circle this foundation that was being freshly poured. (Bill Yount: "CAUTION: You are Entering into Your Promised Land -
BE CAREFUL NOT TO MURMER –AND GUARD EVERY RELATIONSHIP!", The ElijahList, 3/31/08)
This type of idea has been around in the Third Wave since the Kansas City Prophets and back to the New Order of the Latter Rain movement. But God is very clear in His Word that another foundation cannot be laid for the Church. 1 Cor. 3:11 For no-one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 2 Tim. 2:19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: "The Lord knows those who are his," {Num. 16:5 (see Septuagint)} and, "Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness." Eph. 2:20 (The Church is) built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. False teachers and false prophets want to lay a new foundation in order to empower and enrich themselves.
The Lord has spoken to me on numerous occasions, during the last two years, communicating His desire to move great wealth into His Kingdom work. ... The Lord has been speaking to many of us over the last few years about His plans to move wealth into His Kingdom. He is looking for people who are willing to be His conduits, and who will actively prepare to be used in this way. ... Dr. C. Peter Wagner wrote an excellent article entitled "Kingdom Philanthropy" (posted on Elijah List, June 20, 2006). In it, he said, "We now live in the Second Apostolic Age in which the Biblical government of the Church has come alive once again. The Holy Spirit has begun speaking to the churches about taking dominion of God's creation as God originally intended us to do. Our 20th Century goal of saving souls and multiplying churches has been expanded to aim for nothing less than transforming our society." Dr. Wagner also noted, "My sense is that we are looking at unbelievable quantities of wealth moving from the control of the kingdom of darkness, to the control of the Kingdom of God." (Dave Kelley: "PREPARE, PREPARE, PREPARE! God's Transference of Wealth and How to Actively Prepare to Be His Conduit", The ElijahList, 4/2/08)
Sad to say God does not need wealth to expand His Kingdom. In fact He has always expanded His Kingdom (in the hearts of men since the physical Kingdom has not yet come) through the preaching of the Gospel person to person and often by people who are very dependent on Him for their needs, not wants. So this is a false prophecy based on the edict of a false apostle. We are not living in any "second apostolic age". C. Peter Wagner claims he is a foundational apostle which is why he has to make up another age like the one at the beginning of the Church. But the true Church has it's foundation on the true apostles who are all with the Lord (Eph. 2:20). There are no more apostles today with the exception of what we call church planting missionaries. True Christian churches do not use the term "apostles" because that confuses people into thinking that modern "apostles" have apostolic authority, which they do not. Wagner has finally openly declared that we are to take over society, governments, businesses, etc. For that they need money. If they were simply fulfilling the Great Commission they would not. The goals have not been expanded by God, only by men who are posers. Yes, the Third Wave is amassing wealth with their "name it and claim it" false teachings. But they had better enjoy it now because they are not laying up treasure in heaven.
The Lord said that He was dealing with the white-led church and the black-led church differently at that time. He also showed me that there was coming a time when He would bring these two wings of the American Church together - implying that he would integrate the Church in a greater way than ever before. ... The Lord showed me that the white-led church was about to enter into a period of extreme chastening, followed by the black-led church experiencing the same kind of cleansing. (Harry Jackson: "God said He was Beginning "A Unique Shaking and Cleansing of the White and Black American Church.", The ElijahList, 4/3/08)
One can only hope that the Lord would chasten apostate Third Wave churches. But since there is no repentance for their false teachings and false prophecies, I don't see that happening. I do not see, at this time, the black and white churches having a lot of unity. Case in point would be Obama's church with pastor Rev. Wright and his racial slurs. The whole nation has been treated to racial remarks that are apparently par for the course in some black churches, as well as some white ones. If Obama gets elected I don't see that as a positive move in the direction of unity in the nation or in the church.
God has downloaded this message to me that I want to share with you: ... Cycles Of Seven--A Season Of Rest And Celebration Life happens in cycles of seven. You have completed one cycle, and you are starting a new cycle of seven. ... God is re-programming your ear to hear a different kind of frequency. He is synchronizing and syncopating you to His symphonic and choreographic movements. I decree that in this season you will be in sync with the divine timing of God. ... The devil wants to keep you in an old cycle, a cycle where he had control over your destiny. The enemies of your soul want to create a cycle where you don't break through to the next level. ... I hear the Lord say, "What is happening is you are ending a season of warfare, and you are entering a season of rest and celebration. A season where I will display and manifest My governmental anointing through you. ... I will release new mantles, gifts, anointing and opportunities." ... This Is The Year Of Open Heavens! ... etc., etc. (Dr. N. Cindy Trimm: BREAKTHROUGH! "Things are about to change!", The ElijahList, 4/4/08)
A lot to deal with here. Apparently God is using the web now to send messages from heaven. He is also getting people to be superstitious about the number seven as in 7/7/7. I guess God is also a programmer. Sounds like he is also an orchestra director and dance instructor as well. All we have to do is get in sync with the "divine timing of God." Whatever happened to reading your Bible, praying, and witnessing? Now Christians are commanded by these people to go from level to level in a continuing spiral of idiocy. There are always seasons of change in the Christian life. We need not know about them in advance because we are not to worry about tomorrow (Mt. 6:34). I guess God is also calling Christians to take over the governments of the world with His new and improved "governmental anointing". Of course added to that are more mantles, anointings, etc. So given all this incredibly unbiblical information about God and His Church, I have to wonder just where N. Cindy got her doctorate degree? Probably at one of the many New Apostolic "colleges" out there where anyone who buys into the Third Wave can get an easy (albeit useless) doctorate degree. Ever read Rick Warren's doctoral thesis? If you did you would know what I mean. Compare his doctoral thesis for Fuller under the mentorship of C. Peter Wagner with any legitimate Christian institution and you will see that when a person claims to have a doctorate in the Third Wave it is not really worth the paper it is printed on.
"I'M TALKING ABOUT OBAMA" For they have unfairly spoken against an African man, and I'm not talking about Jeremiah Wright; I'm talking about Obama. For God said, "Even though you may think this or that, there is an element of righteousness inside of him to reach out for Jesus. Therefore, I will sway it next week," says the Spirit of God, "and I will cause My man, My power--to exalt in the White House what is necessary to declare victory. For this time, I shall rise up and I shall make known who I am in a way that I have never done it in this nation," says the Lord. (Kim Clement: Steve Shultz on Kim's OBAMA word: "This is Not My 'Obama' Endorsement! It's Kim Clement's Prophecy Concerning Obama", The ElijahList, 4/9/08)
Clement is predicting that Obama will win the White House. He has a 1 in 3 chance of the prediction coming true, but even if Obama does win is he "My Man" according to God? How can he be if he has a pastor like Jeremiah Wright and attends an apostate UCC church? What is this "element of righteousness" in Obama that God knows about? Does this mean that God sanctions lies? How many lies has Obama already been caught in during the primary? This is clearly a false prophecy.
Recently Kim Clement made a false prophecy in which Clement claims “God” told him to tell us that Obama is God’s man for the White House “to rule and to reign and to declare victory in the Middle East” (whose victory? Israelis’ or Palestinians’?). The prophecy is posted on elijahlist.com which is run by Steve Shultz. Before Shultz posts each prophecy, he writes a little about the prophecy. The following is part of what Mr. Shultz wrote about Clement’s Obama prophecy: (Posted on April 15, 2008 by Simplicity In Christ)

From the Desk of Steve Shultz–ITEM IMPORTANT - Tuesday, April 8 at 1:01pm, I received this Word by Kim Clement regarding Obama. It was sent in and approved by Kim’s staff. Notice the words “APPROVED” below. It’s also about things such as “unity,” the “economy” etc. Again, this is NOT my personal endorsement…I also don’t necessarily see it as Kim’s personal endorsement either–he seeks to speak what he hears only…I always take prophecies like this and read them over and over–trying to determine EXACTLY what is or IS NOT being said…We post controversial prophecies like this one–as always–for prayer and discernment. For those who are new to this list, it is possible that we would publish more future words from other prophets that would appear to contradict this word. That’s the nature of prophecy...(Kim Clement: Steve Shultz on Kim's OBAMA word: "This is Not My 'Obama' Endorsement! It's Kim Clement's Prophecy Concerning Obama", The ElijahList, 4/9/08, capitalized emphasis in original)
Note what he himself has highlighted in his note. Contradictory prophecies are normal and are the nature of prophecy. According to Shultz, Clement only prophesies what he hears even if it contradicts what “God” supposedly said through another prophet. I suppose if some other prophet hears from “God” that John McCain would be elected President of the U.S., it would also be a valid prophecy from God. You see, that's the problem with flighty prophets such as those from the Elijah List. There isn't any consistency and they demean God by saying He contradicts Himself! It takes a lot of audacity and gall to shake their collective fists in God’s face and say “Hey, we don’t care what You have actually said through Your Word, through Scripture! We'll just make up the words as we go along and tell everyone it's from YOU! We have to make money somehow, don’t we?” It is simply amazing that there are “Christians” who believe that the prophecies of the Elijah List are from God. No, they are not. Can't be. Those prophets are listening to a different voice. (Posted on April 15, 2008 by Simplicity In Christ)
Our worship will take on great covenant significance at this time, and release great blessings into the earthly realm. (Chuck Pierce: "The First of Months in the Year of New Beginnings: LET JUDAH GO FIRST! (8-Day Prayer Focus Included)", The ElijahList, 4/10/08)
Those in the Third Wave actually think they are ruling from the heavenlies. Though we are "seated with Christ" that does not mean we are to rule the earth.
"It is time for the apostolic leaders of nations to rise up and proclaim into the heavenlies of the nations where they have apostolic voice and authority to speak and legislate in the heavenlies." (Tommi Femrite (9-12-01), cited in September 14th, 2001, Open Memorandum Addressing the Twin Towers War, From: C. Peter Wagner, Presiding Apostle, International Coalition of Apostles, P.O. Box 63060, Colorado Springs, CO 80962-3060)
This is why they think they can "release great blessings into the earthly realm" What they actuly release is division and lies. There is also no covenant of worship in the Bible whereby our worship we can "take on a great covenant significance."
God is about to make the Church so exciting that young people will be brought into the Kingdom by the millions in a very short period. ... God has shown me through prophetic revelation that the recession that has been predicted shall not be. (Kim Clement: "God is about to make the Church so exciting that young people will be brought into the Kingdom by the millions in a very short period", The ElijahList, 4/11/08)
OK. Two issues here. Where in the Bible does it teach that Christians are to make the Church exciting? The answer is nowhere. Will millions be "brought into the Kingdom" because of the exciting atmosphere of NAR churches? There may be many, very doubtful millions, of kids misled by all the hype of the false teachers and false prophets, but few will be brought into the Kingdom (Mat. 7:14). This shows how false prophets ALWAYS prophesy things against what the written Word teaches. The second issue is Clement's statement that there will be no recession in the USA as predicted. The facts are that we were already in recession prior to Clement's prophecy. Here are some article links that prove my point. "Recession has now arrived or will very shortly," Jan Hatzius, the chief U.S. economist for the investment bank Goldman Sachs, wrote in a report Wednesday. Goldman is forecasting a "mild" recession contraction lasting two to three quarters. (Fears of a U.S. recession mount, http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/01/09/business/econ.php) "My personal opinion is that the economy is now in a recession," said Martin Feldstein, president and chief executive of the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER), in a speech in Boca Raton, Fla. (The Economy, Key Forecaster Says U.S. In Recession, Brian Wingfield, http://www.forbes.com/2008/03/14/economy-nber-feldstein-biz-beltway-cx_bw_0314economy.html) So this is a false prophecy.
As I woke up, I had several "knowings" as a result of this dream experience. Again, there were no audible words in this dream. But the feeling dimension was very alive! I did feel a word dropped inside of me, though, as I woke up: "Get positioned for an open Heaven." (James Goll: "Confessing Generational Sins and Positioned for an Open Heaven!", The ElijahList, 4/12/08)
So now prophets are going by their feelings from the "feeling dimension". Where is any example of this in the Bible among the true prophets? Where is this "feeling dimension" evidenced in the Bible? It is not, and in fact the Bible states that false prophets are driven by false visions and delusion of their minds. Jer 14:14 Then the LORD said to me, "The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries {Or visions, worthless divinations} and the delusions of their own minds. Then we have this "open heaven" taught by a number of Latter Rain false teachers and false prophets. There is no such thing. God the Father and Son are in the third heaven also called Paradise. This third heaven is only "open" to those who have died in Christ. God works with His Church but the access they have to heaven is through prayer in Christ Who intercedes for us with the Father. But the core issue is that people like Goll are trying to get people to come under the false apostles and get squarely into the center of the Dominion doctrines of the NAR. So, get positioned for an open Heaven! Get into Kingdom alignment for such a time as this. (James Goll: "Confessing Generational Sins and Positioned for an Open Heaven!", The ElijahList, 4/12/08) "Kingdom alignment" is their code for pressuring people into getting the "anointing" passed on by laying on of hands (slain in the spirit), coming under the authority of the false NAR apostles and prophets, and obeying their edicts and false prophecies. There is no such thing as "Kingdom alignment" in Scripture.