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Former drummer for Gary Lewis and The Playboys and The Coasters. Tim has also played with Paul Baloche, Lincoln Brewster, Darlene Zscech and Hillsongs, Jeff Fenholt, SteveCamp among others. Tim founded The Simply Agape Project in 2001 to get free Christian music to the troops. Recordings have been made with Tim, and friends Alex Acuna, Abe Laboriel SR, Justo Almario,Steve Camp , Jared Ming and some wonderful Independant Christian artists.The Somebody Brave CD also features words of encouragment to the soldiers from Pastors, Moms, Dads, and Lt Col Brian Birdwell a Pentegon 9/11 survivor Tim is married to Donna Wirth and has four children Alan 25,Steven 23, Brittany 22, Bethany 21. Tim has played in numerous churchs as well as shows on TBN. Tim has also performed on JCTV on the show Generation Worship featuring worship leader Jared Ming. Tim has a book published worldwide titled "Pass The Plate And Let Us Prey" (My Search For Black and White Christianity in a Gray Nation)

Saturday, September 30, 2006

The new indulgences

One of the first things Martin Luther fought against was the selling of indulgences by the Catholic church.
Which the Catholic church still practices today.
You could literally pay money to sin.
I wonder if pastors in America have picked up on this?
Look at Amy Grants recent unlady like filthy carnal statements during her recent award of the Walk of Fame.
Comments made in front of her parents as well.

Here is also comments on this at Ingrids site

Here is some of Renee Russo's comments on doing nude scenes as a professing Christian
By Peter T. Chattaway

A COUPLE of actors are up on the movie screen, caught in the throes of a steamy sex scene. Just another example of the sort of godless entertainment that non-Christians churn out on a regular basis? Perhaps. But in at least two high-profile films this summer, there's been a twist: a number of the actors are, in real life, born again Christians.

Rene Russo, 45, plays an insurance investigator who falls for an art thief played by Pierce Brosnan in The Thomas Crown Affair. One sequence finds them en-gaged in intercourse as they make their way up a giant staircase, then again on a desk in his office. A good deal of nudity ensues.

Russo, whose previous films include Get Shorty and two Lethal Weapon movies, has been quite open about her faith while promoting the film.

"As a Christian, I didn't have a problem with taking my clothes off in this film," she told Entertainment Weekly Online. "What was hard for me was that, in my own life, I feel it's very important to know somebody on a spiritual, emotional and mental level before you have sex with him, and these characters certainly didn't."

Jack Hayford was (at least at this time) was Rene's pastor at Church on the Way in Van Nuys CA.
Rene has also been very upfront about giving 10% tithe to the church.

Beyonce, Destinys Child all are professing Christians.

Actress/Rapper Queen Latifah: I was baptized a Baptist, but I'm just Christian, as far as I'm concerned. I could go in any church, doesn't matter if it's Baptist, Protestant, Episcopal, or Catholic...I usually say the Our Father, and that's my old faithful prayer. Then I learned the prayer of Jabez, which is cool, too. Most of the time I just talk. I just thank God first for everything. And then we just talk about whatever's on my mind or whatever I'm thinking about. Sometimes I pray when I really feel like I need God to help me with something, and sometimes we just have conversations. We just kick it. God is my homeboy. Jesus is my homeboy. My mom would always crack up at me. I'm glad someone finally put it on a t-shirt, 'cause I used to say that all the time. I'm like, "Ma, Jesus is a gangsta." Think about it, when he's ready to preach, he gathered up a crew. Now, 12 dudes walking around sound like a gang to me. But it was just a gang for God, a gang for Jesus, which is all good. Of course he can relate to the poor.
So why arent pastors calling their flock out on doing the carnal things they are doing in public?
Could it be the cash.
Well I know Father Jack Hayford also has heard the sins confessed by Benny Hinn so I do not put a lot on Jack even though he is revered in many circles.
Back to the cash.
You know 10% of many of these folks is a whole heck of a lot of money.
Sometimes though pastors not speaking up can put people in deadly danger.
Rememeber Natalee Hollaway?
Where was Natalee's pastor and prayer group trying to talk Natalee out of going on a trip knowing their are clubs and drinking for 18 year old kids in Aruba?

Some quotes to think about
Quotes from Leonard Ravenhill:
The last words of Jesus to the church (in Revelation) were Repent!!

I doubt that more than two percent of professing Christians in the
United States are truly born again.

When theres something in the Bible that churches dont like,
they call it legalism.

Theres a difference between changing your opinion, and changing
your lifestyle.

How can you pull down strongholds of Satan if you don’t even
have the strength to turn off your TV?

Most of all folks read your Bibles.
Gods Word will save you from the deception that is already here.

The New Diet of Rick Warren

This new diet sounds a little fishy to me and, as I understand it, it causes one to be somewhat more chattier than normal, which could explain a lot. For some reason it also provides strong urges to watch reruns of Flipper!

He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.

2 Thess 2:7 "For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.(NKJV)

Ive been thinking about this verse a lot lately in conjunction on what I have been writing on Rick Warrens new religion etc..
Some folks believe this verse refers to the church and the church will be taken out of the way only when the rapture happens.
Not to get into a side debate but I dont really believe in a pretrib rapture because of how Matt 24 reads.
However if a pretrib rapture happens I am willing to go.
So others understand this restraint to be some force from God: the preaching of the gospel or the working of the Holy Spirit through God’s people.

That being said I believe that the he that is taken out of the way is The Holy Spirit.
And believe it or not this is happening now.
What did Jesus say about the Holy Spirit?
John 14:26
""But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you."

Now we know from Rick Warrens actions in starting his new religion that Rick does not use the Holy Spirit but the advice of unsaved people on how to start a church.
That action comes from satan our enemy not the Holy Spirit so we can see the roots of Rick Warrens new religion are evil.

The Word Faith crowd is just as bad because even though they talk about the Holy Spirit a lot they also declare themselves to be little gods.
And they also often refer to the Holy Spirit as some sort of force or power.
The Holy Spirit is the third Person of the Trinity.
A Person is not a mystical force.
This also taken TD Jakes and UPC out of the picture they have eliminated the Holy Spirit through unbelief in Him.

Seeker sensitive Hybels, Schuller etc.. uses manmade efforts such as those used by Warren instead of using the Holy Spirit to lead them into truth through Gods word.

Many really do not see that The Holy Spirit is being taken out of the way and being replaced by a one world man-made religion.

And the sad thing is they are still calling this Christianity.

The Bible warns of this in
2 Thess 2:11-12
"And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

This all is proven when you look at the state of Christianity here in America as well as around the globe.
Where is the fruit?
According to a number of polls I looked at including Barna, Gallup, Wikpedia between 67 and 85% of people in America state they are Christian.
Where is the fruit.
The fruit that is showing has a lot to do with Rick Warren and others man made version of Christianity which has taken the Holy Spirit out of the way and been replaced by man made versions mere shadows of the church our Lord Jesus started.
A church where every fleshy desire is stroked.

One of the saddest things is a majority of our own pastors have removed the Holy Spirit from their sermons and teaching by merely cut and paste, buy or steal sermons off the internet and other sources.
They are depending on Rick Warren and other to lead them into all truth instead of God The Holy Spirit.

You followers of Rick Warren and this new religion should take 2 Thess 2:11-12 to heart before its to late.

Thursday, September 28, 2006

Friendly Fire

In light of whats been going on lately.
This may be a good article for you to read.

here it is folks sorry I published this and it was in my edit-this is weird that it did not publish at first.

Tuesday, September 26, 2006

Change Dividing Southern Baptist Mega-Church

Interesting article from Bob Allen

Saddleback Worship--Wriggling Dancers for a Holy God

This is from Ingrids Slice of Laodecia site.
It shows how the Business of Saddleback closely monitors their press and will remove anything that gives them bad press.
Im just wondering if Richie Abanes did the choreography for this dancing?
Does anyone know?
here is the link
Saddleback Worship--Wriggling Dancers for a Holy God

Show how damage control works at Saddleback.
When light is shined on darkness things crawl back under the rock.
Saddleback will just have to figure a better way to hide their ways of Baal

Monday, September 25, 2006

Resourse's for you if you have been bitten by the Rick Warren bug.

There are a lot of great resources out there if you want to get some more information about Rick Warren and what he is really all about.
First of all READ YOUR BIBLES.
This would take care of all the deception and expose Rick for what he really is.

Here is a quote from a great book titled "Against the Wind" by Brian Flynn.
"Why is this happening in our churches? Why are false teachers gaining ground and expanding their false messages? Why are they able to bring thousands of churches together under one roof of apostasy with such ease? Has Scripture predicted such times as these?
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for them selves teachers (II Timothy 4:3)"
end of quote.

So to a certain degree we can't put all the blame on Rick Warren.
Rick just followed the basic business rule of supple and demand.

To get Brians book and some other great supplemental resources go to this site.

Lighthouse Trails publishing.

Also pastor Bob Dewaay has some great resouces on Rick Warren, The Emergent church and other apostate movements at.

Remember this verse.
2 Thess 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means, for that day shall not come , except there being a great falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition."
If this series of articles has helped even one person from being deceived and falling away it was well worth the time and research.
God Bless You-

Wrapping things up-The Business of Rick Warren

Two weeks ago we started this series of exposes' on Rick Warren and his new purpose driven religion.
In ending this I want to let Ricks own words expose this double minded false teacher.

This is how Rick Warren started out inventing his new religion that appeals to the flesh. Notice no mention of seeking God or searching the scriptures to see how to start a church.
Rather Slick Rick depended on the opinions of unsaved people.
(great business move though)

"And so I went out and for twelve weeks I went door to door, and I knocked on homes for about 12 weeks and just took an opinion poll. I had a survey with me. I just said, "My name is Rick Warren. I'm not here to sell you anything, I'm not here to convert you, I'm not here to witness to you. I just want to ask you three or four questions.(my emphasis)
Question number one: Are you an active member of a local church of any kind of religion synagogue, mosque, whatever?"
If they said yes, I said, "Great, God bless you, keep going," and I politely excused myself and went to the next home.
When I'd find somebody who'd say, "No, I don't go anywhere," I'd say, "Perfect; you're just the kind of guy I want to talk to. This is great, you don't go anywhere. So let me ask you a question. Why do you think most people don't attend church?" And I just wrote the answers down. I asked, "If you were looking for a church, what kind of things would you look for?" And I'd just list them. "What advice would you give to me as the pastor of a new church? How can I help you?" So they'd say, "I think churches exist for the community; not vice versa," and I'd write that down.

Now who do you think gave Rick Warren those marching orders?
I speak with authority when I say it was not The Holy Spirit directing Rick to do thid, and build his church this way.
Ricks method sounds more like this-

“The rank and file is usually much more primitive than we imagine. Propaganda must therefore always be essentially simple and repetitious. The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly... it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.” Joseph Goebbels

Quotes from The Pew Forum made by Rick Warren-
"You know, I got invited to speak at this Aspen Ideas Institute. And I'm going, what's an evangelical pastor going to this for? Well, evidently somebody's not afraid of us anymore."

"When I went to Harvard a month ago, I honestly expected a pretty hostile audience – I'm an evangelical pastor and I'm going into Harvard. And I went in and I spoke four times and they gave me a standing ovation."

"And I came here because I only speak to influencers, and God has given you a degree of influence." (speaking to secular journalists)

"Just to be sitting up here with David Brooks, I feel like we ought to reverse this, let him talk and let me comment on him because I love reading his stuff. I read all of your stuff all of the time and I just wanted to start off by saying thank you. Thank you for helping me grow, helping me develop.

As a writer, you never know who is reading your stuff and so I just wanted you to know I am reading you. I read a book a day and I read tons of magazines, tons of articles, and I just devour enormous quantities of material, and thank God for the Internet. I get The New York Times and I get The Wall Street Journal, and I get the local papers in L.A., but the rest I have to read online or in the magazines that I subscribe to."

"I'm just saying that personally I've got a different agenda. My agenda is really of, in, for and through these millions and millions of churches that I now have technology to network together called the Internet, which allows me to sit in my bedroom and talk to guys in Brussels, and it allows me to influence any influencer. "

"You see, here's the problem. My book happened to be published by Zondervan, which is owned by Harper-Collins, which is owned by Newscorp, which is owned by Rupert Murdoch. So when the book hit 15 million, I called up Rupert Murdoch and I said, "What are you going to do to celebrate my book?" And he goes, "Well, what do you want to do?" I go, "I want you to throw a party and I want you to invite all your secular elite friends from Manhattan and let me talk to them." And he goes, "Okay." (Chuckles.) So he sends out a list, he invited 350 people, who's who in Manhattan to the top of the Rainbow Room, and I went up there and you know, I just started talking to them again, standing ovation."

Well enough of the Rick Warren usual brag fest lets see what Rick thinks about the church as a business.

From the Business Weeks article titled "Earthly Empires" and the links on its page.

Rick Warren-
"Our goal is not to turn the church into a business," insists Warren, the founder of Saddleback megachurch in Lake Forest, Calif."

To which I say WHAT??? Anybody thats involved in Purpose Driven or has had contact with it knows this is a lie from the pit.

Warren states in a article that was linked from this page.

"Q: Why do we see so much entrepreneurial activity among evangelicals?
A: We've always been entrepreneurial. But 50 years ago, most of the evangelical entrepreneurs went into organizations like the Campus Crusade for Christ, World Vision, etc. The spirit used to be that you had to leave the church [to accomplish something great]. But now all of the smart guys I know are going out to become pastors and starting churches. We've helped thousands of churches get started. I've trained more than 350,000 pastors."

The definition of entrepreneurs is " used to describe passionate business types that are prepared to go to the ends of the earth to make a business or project succeed."

Again from Pew Forum Rick Warren states-
"Now Drucker has said that at least six times. I happen to know because he's my mentor. I've spent 20 years under his tutelage learning about leadership from him, and he's written it in two or three books, and he says he think it's the only thing that really works in society."

From a article By Debbie O'Hara
November 16, 2003

"The modern Church Growth Movement is using modern marketing techniques, not the gospel of Christ to bring in large numbers of people. The church converts and disciples people through the use of these modern organizational management techniques (Total Quality Management style just like business) so that they can effect "change" in the community and the world. Peter Drucker tells us that "pastors are the most under rated "change" agents. He calls Rick Warren the "inventor of perpetual revival". Sounds like the dialectic doesn't it? We need to continually change until we finally reach perfection, which is of course a humanist philosophy.
Who is this Peter Drucker? He is called the "guru of modern management". It is his marketing techniques that are being used to grow the church. He has worked with large corporations, small entrepreneurs, U.S. government agencies and other free governments. According to Christianity Today, "Drucker is a Christian, a practicing Episcopalian, but from his writings it would be hard to say much more than that about his faith... Drucker's writings seem determined to keep his faith a secondary characteristic for his readers."

"I would trust a pastor or a rabbi of a synagogue or an imam of a Muslim mosque more then I would trust a government or NGO. (Can Rick Warren Change the World? Fox Video video time 2:15 Aug.19, 2006 Fox News)."

One more Rick Warren quote-
"If your church has been plateaued for six months, it might take six months to get it going again. If it's been plateaued a year, it might take a year. If it's been plateaued for 20 years, you've got to set in for the duration!

I'm saying some people are going to have to die or leave.
Second, you love everybody, but you move with the movers. Pastor everybody, hold everybody's hand, don't show partiality, and continue to care for everybody. But you move with the movers."

From The Nation posted August 25, 2005 (September 12, 2005 issue)
"Warren's success follows the trajectory enjoyed in recent years by other inspirational, religious or spiritual self-help authors, like Deepak Chopra, Marianne Williams, John Bradshaw and Robert Bly. What distinguishes these mega-successes from books in the same genre that enjoy respectable sales at best is often not content but timing, marketing and luck (if not God's will)."

I think this person acuratly linked Warren with birds of a feather.

So now folks you will have to decide where you want to stand.
With Rick Warren and his new religion?
Or Jesus Christ and The Bible.

Its up to you.

Sunday, September 24, 2006

Mormons and Their Absurd Belief's

I'm beginning to believe that the Mormons DO believe that the cow jumped over the moon! Mormons DO believe that the moon was once inhabited by men such as us and that according to their founding prophet Joseph Smith. Perhaps he wanted to do the cow one better? Latter Day Saints seem to have a great belief in space, especially the one between their ears in regard to discernment.

Are you aware that the Mormons believe in a star called Kolob? Could it be just past the second star to your right enroute to Never Never Land? Kolob, to a Mormon, is the residence of God. But, which god? They believe that our present God was raised on a planet somewhere in the galaxy where he was "promoted" to Godhood by a council of gods. Now, you might want to get out your star charts for this one, but Mormons believe that Kolob is located near the planets Olibish and Enish-On-Dosh, which sounds like something out of Dr. Suess! Perhaps the Starship Enterprise could find them because its a sure thing that NASA knows nothing about them.

The Mormons get all this from Egyptian sources so you might want to consult your Bible in that regard (Isaiah 19:3,14). "Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves"- Matthew 7:15. You know, that could be about the Mormons because they do have a form of disease known as lycanthropy which is a mental disease characterized by one imagining themselves to be a wolf. That sure makes more sense than what the Mormons believe. Maybe the Mormons DO believe that a cow jumped over the moon, or at least lived there?

Let's not leave the sun out of the galaxy picture either as Brigham Young believed that it was also inhabited. I wonder how long it takes to get a good tan there?

Wednesday, September 20, 2006

How can these things be

I often sit back and wonder how people can be so taken in by false teachers such as Rick Warren, Joel Osten and Benny Hinn as well as all things Emergent>
And why do people continue to buy the books and materials these wolfs put out.
Here is a reprint of a article I have posted before from my friend Scott.
Its worth reading again.

How Can These Things Be?
Purpose Driven, Emergent, Transformational, & New Age in the Church

By Scott MacIntyre

It's the million-dollar question…how is it that we are seeing the infiltration of false teaching into the church? Not just any church…but churches that at one time claimed to be Bible-believing churches.

The overall answer, of course, can be found in scripture. Paul prophesied in 2 Timothy that people would turn their ears from truth, and turn aside to myths. The Bible said it would happen and it is. But in specific terms, how is it happening? What causes a church to take into its bosom the strange fire of false gospel? Like the chicken and the egg debate, it may be difficult to unravel the maze of false teaching. Do we blame the people who accumulate for themselves false teachers, or do we blame the false teachers themselves? Perhaps both should be implicated, but allow me to focus on the pastor for a moment.

A conversation I had with a youth pastor a few weeks ago provided some insight. He was contemplating a move to being a senior pastor in the future, but expressed to me much doubt in his abilities to be a good manager of people and to assume all the responsibilities of overseeing a church. My counsel to him was to be careful that he didn't assume a role of pastor that the Bible doesn't teach. In other words, the job description of a pastor he was describing may not be the job description written in the Bible.

We see the pastor today being promoted as a 'change agent', a CEO, a counselor, upper management, a businessman, an orator, a comedian, a communicator, an ambassador, and just about everything else except a teacher of the Bible. Pastors are often gregarious, handsome, and talented. In larger churches, senior pastors (a term not found in scripture) relegate the more unpleasant tasks of visitation, counseling, and such to lower pastors on the staff. They become more of a front man…a figurehead of sorts. Many churches seem built upon the personality of the pastor and his skills in speaking, or being an author or a musician.

But the Bible doesn't offer us a view of the pastor like this. Titus is encouraged by Paul in Titus 2:1 to "speak the things which are fitting for sound doctrine", and in 2:7 to be an "example of good deeds, with purity in doctrine". In fact, the book of Titus seems to be a discussion of both deeds and doctrine, and Paul is careful in 3:5 to let us know that our deeds do not save us lest someone go strong on deeds and weak on doctrine. The emphasis of deeds to a pastor suggests to me servanthood, and the emphasis of doctrine suggests to me sound teaching…something sorely lacking in the church today.

Timothy is told by Paul that an overseer must be able to teach, and that he must be free from the love of money. Timothy is told to share in Paul's suffering, and to preach the Word. Paul suffered because he boldly proclaimed the Gospel of Jesus Christ, without regard to the consequences. How many pastors are willing to suffer that way today? How many mega-church pastors would be willing to tarnish their well-coiffured images by boldly proclaiming the whole counsel of God? Perhaps some, but it does not appear to be many.

Pastors by the thousands are implementing prepackaged church management systems, all the while inviting strange and false doctrines into their churches. This has caused me to question and wonder about how and why these men feel called to being a pastor. Are they so incredibly lacking in sound doctrine that they are unable to see what scripture teaches about being a pastor? Must the pastor's job description be re-written from the Bible to conform to the corporate skills of men?

For those thinking about being pastors like my young friend is, consider this simple profiling exercise:

Do you see yourself as a change agent, able to convince and lead people to pre-determined conclusions? Then consider going into psychology, business, or sales.

Do you enjoy speaking in front of a crowd, making them laugh and feel good? Consider a career comedy, acting, or performing.

Do you believe you have many of the right answers for making the church better and bigger? You might think about authoring another book on church growth techniques. There are a lot of people willing to read them, and you might make a lot of money selling them.

Do you enjoy managing people and bringing together all the elements that would make a church successful? Definitely consider a career in a large corporation.

Do you see people as lost and confused, needing someone like yourself to bring a sense of order and purpose to them? You might think about applying for a government job, or even the U.N.

Are you a great singer or a popular author and think your skills would help you to be successful at a large church? Do the church a favor and just keep singing or writing.

Do you love teaching the Word of God, but feel inadequate as a manager or strong leader? You might consider praying about being a pastor.

Do you have a desire to pastor a small church, but feel you don't have the skills to lead them in a church growth campaign? You might continue to pray about being a pastor, and keep studying the Word to learn God's will for the church.

Do you love people, and enjoy serving them by faithfully teaching the Word of God? Have you ever considered pastoring a church?
Today's churches are full of men who have lost sight of the fact that it is Jesus who builds the church…not their ideas, plans, or abilities. Christian men who have recognized their own abilities as leaders in the corporate sense have mistakenly believed they are imminently qualified to be pastors. It becomes a career move largely based upon their own inventory of abilities and strengths.

What the church needs are men who are passionate about the Word of God, humble, love people, apt to teach, and who come into the pastorate with an overwhelming sense of inadequacy, needing to rely upon the Lord for their strength. Men who realize they have nothing to offer God, except the empty vessel they are for Him to fill for His good pleasure. Men who meet the qualifications of a church leader set forth in the pastoral epistles of Paul.

A church under the teaching of a man like that will be more apt as 'Good Bereans', and less apt to accumulate for themselves teachers according to their own desires. People will always be prone to wander, and prone to desert the Lord for a different Gospel. But in the church with a pastor who is faithfully teaching the Word of God, the desertion from the true Gospel of Jesus Christ will likely not be instigated from the pulpit as is so common today.

Copyright 2006 by Scott MacIntyre
Wood and Steel Ministries

Tuesday, September 19, 2006

Rick Warrens Peace Plan

This series of articles from my friends at Herescope says it all-
please take the time to read it all it is biblical and solid information from Steve Muse and friends-

The Generic Global "PEACE" Plan: Part 1

In his 2002 book Reinventing Jesus Christ: The New Gospel Warren Smith warned evangelicals that the New Age leaders had come out with a global "peace" plan after the September 11th crisis. This is a theme which Smith further developed in his 2004 book Deceived on Purpose: The New Age Implications of the Purpose-Driven Church, where he examined Rick Warren's global P.E.A.C.E. Plan, and expressed concern about its overlapping similarities to the New Age "peace" plan.

Smith expands this theme in much greater detail in the recent Chapter Updates to Reinventing Jesus Christ which are now posted online. Today's excerpt comes from the Update to Chapter 6. The Update to the original chapter, which described the formation of the Global Renaissance Alliance, reveals that this group has now re-made itself, and has boldly changed its name to the Peace Alliance:


Spiritual Politics
In co-founding the Global Renaissance Alliance – recently renamed the Peace Alliance – Neale Donald Walsch and Marianne Williamson were greatly inspired by a book entitled Spiritual Politics. In fact, both of their enthusiastic endorsements are featured on the front and back covers of this radical 1994 New Age political primer. Neale Donald Walsch’s front cover endorsement reads:

Extraordinary and invaluable.... One of the most important books to appear in the marketplace of ideas in a very long time.(1)

Corinne McLaughlin and Gordon Davidson, the co-authors of Spiritual Politics, frankly admit that their book is based on the “ageless wisdom” that has been passed down through the years from ancient occultists to modern-day occultists. McLaughlin and Davidson openly embrace this “ageless wisdom.” The almost encyclopedic New Age teachings of Alice Bailey are referred to throughout their book. Bailey’s teachings were “telepathically” dictated to her by the Tibetan master Djwhal Khul – a spirit guide also known as DK. The spiritual teachings transmitted to Bailey by DK describe the soon coming of a New Age “Christ” and the establishment of a one-world government. The “Christ” described by DK and Bailey is Maitreya – the same Maitreya described by Benjamin Creme and Wayne Peterson. McLaughlin and Davidson dedicate Spiritual Politics “To M and DK”:

To M and DK
and to all the Warriors of the Spirit,
that they may awaken to the fire in their hearts
and hear the inner anthem calling them
to the Great Work.(2)

Thus, it is very revealing that Williamson and Walsch have so openly endorsed a book that is steeped in the occultic teachings of Alice Bailey – teachings that proclaim Maitreya, not Jesus, as “the Christ.” Williamson’s back cover endorsement of Spiritual Politics reads:

Bravo to Corinne and Gordon for shining such a bright light on politics in this groundbreaking book! Spiritual Politics gives us the instructional wisdom of the East and West, as well as the practical tools for helping create effective change in the world. I highly recommend it.(3)

But Williamson’s endorsement is very misleading. Spiritual Politics is not based on anything resembling the “wisdom of the West” which most people associate with Christianity. McLaughlin and Davidson are very clear that Spiritual Politics is based on the hidden, “ageless wisdom” of the occult – the occult traditions that originated with Hermes Trismegistus and culminated in the mystical/New Age teachings of Alice Bailey. In Spiritual Politics they write:

For centuries, the Ageless Wisdom in the West was shielded from an unprepared public.... The unveiled truths were handed down only orally by individual teachers to tested disciples or by certain religious groups and secret societies, such as the Kabbalists, Druids, Essenes, Sufis, Knights Templar, Rosicrucians, Freemasons, and others who carefully guarded the teachings down through the centuries. A study of these secret societies would reveal powerful influences on the history of nations....

Over the last hundred years, the Ageless Wisdom has spread widely in the West, beginning with the work of the Russian Helena Petrovna Blavatsky. Her seminal book, The Secret Doctrine, published in 1888, synthesized Christian, Jewish, and Islamic mysticism with the Eastern teachings of Hinduism, Taoism, and Buddhism, showing their common roots and comparing their sacred texts....

The next development came through the teachings of an Englishwoman, Alice Bailey, a former member of the Theosophical Society. In 1919 Bailey was contacted by a Tibetan master, Djwhal Khul, who asked her to write a series of books with him telepathically that would continue Blavatsky’s work. Over a period of thirty years, Bailey received eighteen books from him on the nature of the cosmos and the human being, outlining principles for individual spiritual growth and humanity’s next evolutionary steps. In 1923 Bailey founded Lucis Trust [originally called Lucifer Publishing, ed.] to bring the teachings in her books to the public. A year later she began the Arcane School. The books were written to apply to several levels of consciousness at once and thus can be read by both beginners and advanced students. Her works have been especially helpful to the two of us in our own spiritual growth and have provided much of the inspiration for Spiritual Politics.(4)

Because McLaughlin and Davidson so strongly endorse the Bailey teachings on the politics of a coming New Age “Christ,” the spiritual foundation of the Global Renaissance Alliance became very transparent as Williamson and Walsch both endorsed their book. There is nothing subtle about Spiritual Politics and there is nothing subtle about the “spiritual politics” of Williamson and Walsch and their Global Renaissance Alliance.


The rest of this Update to Chapter 6 notes the "high profile New Age leaders" who have hobnobbed with "well-known politicians" in their spiritual politics plan for "peace."

Interestingly, Tamara Hartzell, in her new online book In the Name of Purpose: Sacrificing Truth at the Altar of Unity, devotes an entire chapter to this same New Age "peace" plan. Chapter 15 contains many actual excerpts from the writings of Alice Bailey and her spirit guide, Djwhal Khul, the same "DK" referred to above who inspired the writing of Spiritual Politics. These quotations describe the "plan" to create a global "peace" by building a "kingdom" of "world servers." This Luciferian plan, demonically transmitted to the Theosophists a century ago, bears remarkable resemblance to today's various "peace" plans.

We excerpt with permission from Hartzell's commentary and excellent compilation of Theosophical writings:


Our enemies in the Angel of light’s realm have been working long and hard at fulfilling his Plan. They are achieving marked success in enticing the world into his counterfeit kingdom and its (New Age) New Spirituality that appears as “light” and “peace.” As mentioned earlier (see page 86), Alice Bailey (A.A.B.) was approached by the spirit world to detail “the Plan” in writing. These writings are the basis for the descriptions of this counterfeit kingdom “of God” and its Plan to use world service to bring interfaith unity and “peace” to the world. As is to be expected, these enemies commonly twist Scripture after the pattern of the father of lies, who has been twisting God’s Word since the Garden of Eden. Also not surprisingly, their deceptions twist the nature and work of the Lord Jesus Christ and reveal an ongoing hatred for His true followers and Word.

“I [Djwhal Khul] … have a vision of the Plan … Through the cooperation of A.A.B. I put this plan - as far as was possible - before you, calling your attention to the New Group of World Servers.…

“[T]he vision is a vision of group work, of group relationships, of group objectives, and of the group fusion to the larger Whole.” —Alice Bailey & Djwhal Khul1

“[T]here is a group of human beings, integrating now … upon whom is laid the burden of leading humanity. They are starting movements that have in them the new vibration, they are saying things that are universal in their tone, they are enunciating principles that are cosmic, they are inclusive and not exclusive, they do not care what terminology a man uses; they insist that a man shall keep his own inner structure of truth to himself and not impose it on any one else … they demonstrate the universal light, they are servers …

“[T]hey are tied by no dogmas or doctrines because they have the word which has come to them in the dark, which they have wrought out for themselves in the strife and stress of their own souls. They meet the need of their fellow men, and theirs is the message of Christ, ‘A new commandment I give you that you love one another.’…

“‘A new commandment I give you’ can be summed up in ‘inclusiveness’, the hallmark of the New Age, the universal spirit, identification, oneness with all your fellowmen.…

“How shall we fit ourselves to meet that requirement, to possess those characteristics which automatically put us into the group of world servers? You will never get there by talking about it … You will get there by doing the next thing correctly.” —Alice Bailey & Djwhal Khul (Emphasis added)2

The desire for people to stop talking and debating and just start doing and cooperating facilitates interfaith unity among all beliefs and religions. This is exactly what the spirit world has been working toward. In the name of purpose, people are being lured away from doctrine to focus on relationships.

“He [‘Christ’] emphasized the necessity for cooperation, indicating that if we truly follow the Way, we shall put an end to competition, and substitute for it cooperation.…

“Love, brotherhood, cooperation, service, self-sacrifice, inclusiveness, freedom from doctrine, recognition of divinity - these are the characteristics of the citizen of the kingdom, and these still remain our ideals.” —Alice Bailey (Emphasis added)3

“As the Members of the Hierarchy [spirit realm] approach closer to us, the dream of brotherhood, of fellowship, of world cooperation and of a peace (based upon right human relations) becomes clearer in our minds. As They draw nearer we vision a new and vital world religion, a universal faith, at-one in its basic idealism with the past but different in its mode of expression.” —Alice Bailey & Djwhal Khul (Parentheses in the original; emphasis added)4

“It is time that the church woke up to its true mission, which is to materialize the kingdom of God on earth, today, here and now.… People are no longer interested in a possible heavenly state or a probable hell. They need to learn that the kingdom is here, and must express itself on earth … The way into that kingdom is the way that Christ trod. It involves the sacrifice of the personal self for the good of the world, and the service of humanity …” —Alice Bailey (Emphasis added)5

“Christ died in order to bring to our notice that the way into the kingdom of God was the way of love and of service. He served and loved and wrought miracles, and gathered together the poor and the hungry.” —Alice Bailey (Emphasis added)6


The Truth:

"Therefore hearken not ye to your prophets, nor to your diviners, nor to your dreamers, nor to your enchanters, nor to your sorcerers, which speak unto you, saying, Ye shall not serve the king of Babylon." (Jeremiah 27:9)

In our current era of proliferating, and remarkably coinciding, global "peace" plans -- and as we watch a new harlot Babylon unfolding before our very eyes -- it is wise to consider the wisdom of Matthew Poole, circa 1600, in his Commentary on the Holy Bible (Hendrickson). Pertaining to this verse, he warned:

It is uncertain whether these words were part of the message which Jeremiah by command from God sent to the kings above mentioned, or the prophet's words to the Jews; for as those pagan nations had diviners, dreamers, enchanters, and sorcerers, so the Jews had them also, Isaiah 47:12-13: the meaning is, Hearken to none of them that pretend as from God to foretell your escape from this judgment, and not being brought into servitude to the king of Babylon, for you shall serve the king of Babylon. By prophets he means such as pretended to some Divine revelations. By diviners he means soothsayers, of which were several sorts. By dreamers, such as pretend to revelations in their sleep. By enchanters and sorcerers, he means their astrologers, and such as used necromancy, or by any unlawful ways and means pretended to know the mind and will of God. (Vol 2, p. 577)

posted by Discernment Research Group @ 8/31/2006 12:34:00 PM

The Generic Global "PEACE" Plan: Part 2: World Servers

"Humanity determines the speed of its own evolution and the fulfilling of its own destiny under the Plan.
The success of the Plan depends upon the intelligent co-operation of all men and women of goodwill everywhere in the world.
"Men of goodwill who co-operate form part of the New Group of World Servers which is working to implement the Plan.
"The leaders of the New Group of World Servers are those who initiate and carry forward activities which benefit humanity as a whole. These leaders are known by their harmless, constructive and inclusive qualities. "They provide the vision and mould public opinion.
Behind these leaders and the co-operating men of goodwill are the Custodians of the Plan, 'the inner spiritual Government of the Planet.'
"Working in all the main fields of human activity and in all countries everywhere in the world, the New Group of World Servers acts as a synthesising factor within humanity and lays the foundations for right human relations and ultimate world unity.
"The New Group of World Servers needs a more widespread recognition, co-operation and support in its work for humanity. Every one of us, therefore, can share in the action of the New Group of World Servers and in the working out of the Plan."
-- The New Group of World Servers (

The Luciferian Theosophists also have a Plan for World PEACE. This is generically referred to as "the Plan" in their writings. "The Plan" is to be implemented by people designated as "World Servers, as described in the quotation above (and other material on that webpage).

Note the url above. According to New Age researcher and author Constance Cumbey, the Lucifer Publishing Company was organized in 1922 to help disseminate the works of Alice Bailey, and changed their name in 1924 to "the somewhat less obvious 'Lucis Trust.'" (p. 134) Bailey, along with her spirit guide Djwhal Khul gave their "disciples directions for networking and infiltration" (p. 49) for implementing this global Plan. Cumbey explains:

"Time frames were established by the 'masters.' Work was to remain low-profile until 1975 -- when the hitherto secret teachings about the 'New Age Christ' and "hierarchy' could be publicly disseminated by all available media." (The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow, [Huntington House, 1983] p. 50)

Cumbey described the NEW GROUP OF WORLD SERVERS:

"This is a somewhat amorphous organization that was supposedly organized by Alice Bailey in 1925 under the direction of 'the Hierarchy' to serve as the vanguard for the reappearance of 'The Christ' and 'His Great Disciples, the Masters of Wisdom.' According to Benjamin Creme, it has both an inner and outer organization -- the outer organization being conscious of the aims of the NGWS and the inner group merely responsive to 'Hierarchical impression.' …Lucis Trust is one of the organizations cooperating in the work of the New Group of World Servers." (Ibid, p. 195)

A related website, with material of relevance to today's post can be found at Note the photo of Bono. Particularly take note of the e-zine content.

Obviously, a false "Christ" messiah-type leader can't be brought into the world until a false religion becomes established. The various PEACE plans being floated around the globe all incorporate the idea of "service" to humanity, and a particular form of "inclusivism" which creates a generic faith. The Lucis Trust website disingenuosly described it in the following manner:

"These are the broad generalities governing the conduct of people of goodwill co-operating in and with the work being done by the New Group of World Servers. They can be regarded as the embodiment of the emerging kingdom of God on earth, but it should be remembered that this kingdom is not a Christian kingdom or an earthly government. It is a grouping of all those who–belonging as they do to every world religion and every nation and race and type of political party–are free from the spirit of hatred and separativeness, and who seek to see right conditions established on earth through mutual goodwill among all men everywhere in the world." [emphasis added]

"Goodwill" -- a term used by the Theosophists frequently -- like many occult terms carries hidden meaning. They mean it as their own interpretation of "God's will," and it also carries the connotation of a mechanism to bring about PEACE -- their own version of "peace."

Tamara Harzell, in her groundbreaking online book In the Name of Purpose: Sacrificing Truth at the Altar of Unity, notes the many parallels of the plans for world "PEACE." Chapter 15 particularly focuses on the role of the "World Servers" to implement this "PEACE" Plan. Hartzell quotes Alice Bailey and Djwhal Khul about how this world "peace" will come about:


“True religion will come to be interpreted in terms of the will-to-good and its practical expression, goodwill.” —Alice Bailey & Djwhal Khul7

Goodwill in world service, not belief and obedience of the doctrine of the faith, is this kingdom’s definition of “true religion.” It naturally follows that this kingdom has also altered Christ into a counterfeit that all religions (faiths) can follow as their “example.”

“Christ stood as a symbol and also as an example … and showed us the pattern upon which we should mould our lives.

“The kingdom and the service!…

“We must grasp this; we must realize that we shall find release only in the service of the kingdom. We have been held too long by the dogmas of the past, and there is today a natural revolt against the idea of individual salvation through the blood sacrifice of Christ.… It is essential that today we face the problem of the relation of Christ to the modern world, and dare to see the truth, without any theological bias.… It is quite possible that Christ is far more inclusive than we have been led to believe … We have preached a God of love and have spread a doctrine of hate. We have taught that Christ died to save the world and have endeavored to show that only believers could be saved … But Christ founded a kingdom on earth, wherein all God’s children would have equal opportunity of expressing themselves as sons of the Father. This, many Christians find impossible to accept …

“Individual salvation is surely selfish in its interest and its origin. We must serve in order to be saved, and only can we serve intelligently if we believe in the divinity of all men and also in Christ’s outstanding service to the race. The kingdom is a kingdom of servers, for every saved soul must without compromise join the ranks of those who ceaselessly serve their fellow men.” —Alice Bailey (Emphasis added)8

“Our need today is to see the hidden thread of purpose … This [‘spiritual’] awakening is already here, and the will to good is present. The teaching of Christ … needs only to be rescued from the interpretations of the theologies of the past, and taken at its simple face value, which is an expression of the divinity of man, of his participation in the kingdom which is in process of being brought into recognition, and of his immortality as a citizen of that kingdom. What we are in reality passing through is ‘a religious initiation into the mysteries of Being,’ … and from that we shall emerge with a deepened sense of God immanent in ourselves and in all humanity.…

“The vital need is to return to the simple fundamental instruction which Christ gave, and to learn to love our brother.… It is a love which realizes that the world needs love, and that a spirit of love (which is a spirit of inclusiveness, of tolerance, of wise judgment and farsighted vision) can draw all men together into that outward unity which is based upon a recognized inner relationship.” —Alice Bailey (Emphasis added)9

“When the consciousness which is Christ’s has been awakened in all men, then we shall have peace on earth and goodwill among men.… The expression of our divinity will bring to an end the hatred rampant upon earth and break down all the separating walls which divide man from man, group from group, nation from nation, religion from religion. Where there is goodwill there must be peace; there must be organized activity and a recognition of the Plan of God, for that Plan is synthesis; that Plan is fusion; that Plan is unity and at-one-ment.…

“The realization of this is needed today. Christ in God. God in Christ. Christ in you and Christ in me. This is what will bring into being that one religion which will be the religion of love, of peace on earth, of universal goodwill, of divine understanding, and of the deep recognition of God.” —Alice Bailey (Bold added)10


Lest the reader dismiss all of this as a bunch of New Age wacko nonsense, irrelevant to today's more "enlightened" PEACE plans, we refer the reader to the Chapter 7 Update to Warren Smith's Reinventing Jesus Christ: The New Gospel, now posted online. In this updated section Smith describes how, after the 9/11 crisis, key New Age leaders began to openly push their own Global PEACE Plan. This New Age PEACE Plan is laid out by Neale Donald Walsch who co-founded the Global Renaissance Alliance, recently (and significantly) renamed -- THE PEACE ALLIANCE. Walsch claims to have "conversations" with "God," which he then wrote up in books. Interestingly, the foundation upon which this Global PEACE Plan is built is theological. Walsch's "God" requires that humanity adopt a more inclusive theology that includes "new revelations." Smith explains:


No More Jesus Christ as Saviour?

In the fall of 2002, just one year after September 11th, Neale Donald Walsch released a new book entitled The New Revelations: A Conversation with God. In this book he described how “God” was making it known that world peace could be achieved if all humanity was willing to incorporate certain “new revelation” teachings into their already existing belief systems. Walsch’s “God” stated that if people were open enough, and humble enough to admit that they didn’t have a complete understanding of God – that they needed more information – “new revelations” would then be given to them. Walsch’s “God” made it clear that these “new revelations” would not do away with one’s own particular religion or belief system, but the revelations would be simply “adding to” and “enlarging” the scope of their present beliefs. (2) These revelations would provide a common core of belief to all peoples and religions, helping everyone to understand how the universal acceptance of certain spiritual principles could save the world. “God” had provided Walsch with these “new revelations” and Walsch would now share these revelations with others in his new book.

In New Revelations: A Conversation with God, Neale Donald Walsch explained that “God” was giving the world a last-chance warning. To avoid self-destruction and attain world peace everyone must recognize the divinity of all creation. With this foundational teaching that God was in everything, Walsch then described how “God” was now proposing a “PEACE PLAN.” This PEACE PLAN process would help to unify the world’s various religions and bring peace to the world. Walsch’s “God” described his PEACE PLAN as “The Five Steps to PEACE.” But to avoid conflict and spiritual divisiveness, “God” had one mandatory condition: the PEACE PLAN would make no allowances for anyone calling Jesus Christ their exclusive Lord and Saviour. In The New Revelations Walsch’s “God” emphatically stated:

Yet let me make something clear. The era of the Single Savior is over. (3)

The PEACE PLAN delineated by Walsch’s New Age “God” is a sequential 5-step prayer-like process that encourages people to examine their existing beliefs about God, and to be open enough to accept “new understandings” from God. The PEACE PLAN was obviously patterned after the Alcoholics Anonymous 12-step program. Walsch explained the New Age PEACE PLAN of his “God” in The New Revelations and also posted it on his Conversations with God website:


Peace will be attained when we, as human beings…

P ERMIT ourselves to acknowledge that some of our old beliefs about God and about Life are no longer working.
E XPLORE the possibility that there is something we do not understand about God and about Life, the understanding of which could change everything.
A NNOUNCE that we are willing for new understandings of God and Life to now be brought forth, understandings that could produce a new way of life on this planet.
C OURAGEOUSLY examine these new understandings and, if they align with our personal inner truth and knowing, to enlarge our belief system to include them.
E XPRESS our lives as a demonstration of our highest beliefs, rather than as a denial of them. (4)

The clever subtlety of this PEACE PLAN is reminiscent of the serpent’s approach to Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. The PEACE PLAN is a slick contemporary version of the original spiritual temptation to believe man is God. It tempts people – especially people with a Christian background – to doubt their sole faith in Jesus Christ and to open themselves up to other beliefs. The Apostle Paul expressed his concern that believers might actually listen to the cunning false teachings of men like Walsch:

But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. (2 Corinthians 11:3)

Walsch’s PEACE PLAN encourages everyone – particularly Christians – to doubt their beliefs. It asks them to consider the possibility that God is providing new beliefs through “new revelations.” These “new revelations” would include the New Age/New Gospel teaching that “we are all one” based on the panentheistic New Age/New Spitituality teaching that God is in everything. And this is exactly what Marianne Williamson, Gary Zukav, Wayne Dyer and other New Age leaders were suggesting in their televised comments after September 11th. Because “bad” things were happening, were Christians suddenly supposed to doubt the teachings of the Bible and open themselves up to the New Age teachings of the New Spirituality? It was all very clever and very predictable. Our spiritual Adversary loves to create a problem so he can then offer his own solution to that problem. His solution in this instance was the ingeniously contrived 5-step spiritual PEACE PLAN.

Using Walsch as his New Age spokesmen, the Adversary was tempting everyone to humbly open themselves up to a new way of thinking that could change the world. But there is a major problem with this suggestion. The proposed PEACE PLAN is predicated on a fundamental disbelief in the authority and reliability of the Holy Bible. And the Bible clearly teaches that doubting God’s Word, and doubting Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour of the world, is not a sign of humility – it is a sign of faithlessness. Furthermore, the proposal by Walsch’s “God” that we measure “new revelations” by our own “personal inner truth” is extremely misleading. We are not to measure any teaching by our own feelings or personal experience. We are to measure everything by the Word of God as contained in His Holy Bible. Walsch’s PEACE PLAN clearly fits the biblical description of a faithless and ungodly “wavering” prayer-like process. The Scripture warns that a person thinking, praying and proceeding in this manner should expect to receive nothing from God.

If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways. (James 1:5-8)

The Truth:

The parallels between the neoevangelial Global PEACE Plan and/or building the kingdom of God on earth and the material cited above seem to be more than purely coincidental. Neoevangelicals are building their PEACE kingdom upon similar doctrines of immanence, inclusivism and new revelations. They are also speaking about "service" to others by building "partnerships" and "collaborations" (what the Luciferians call "cooperation"). They have their hierarchical "masters" in place, the apostles of the New Apostolic Reformation. And they speak disparagingly -- just like the Theosophists (see e-zine at -- of A.D. 1500, the date of the First Reformation. The New Age leaders may call their "new reformation" a "Global Renaissance," but the connotation is still the same.

"I have not sent these Prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied. But if they had stood in My counsel, and had caused My people to hear My words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings." (Jeremiah 23:22)

posted by Discernment Research Group @ 9/02/2006 11:47:00 AM

The Generic Global "PEACE" Plan: Part 3: Unity of Purpose

"In his lecture, Dr. [Rick] Warren talked about 'Stewardship of Influence and Affluence.' He said any nation can solve its problems if there is cooperation among the Church, the government and the business sectors. He said it’s like a three-legged stool. It won’t stand if one is missing. If only two legs are functioning, the stool won’t stand for long. Just like a country with opposing sectors, there’s no growth but stagnation and chaos.

Someone asked Dr. Warren who will mediate if two of the three sectors are on opposite views. He said like preaching in strange places, one must look for the man of peace. Just like the disciples of Jesus Christ, when they went to a village to preach, they look for that man, an influential member of the community not because he has money or power but because he is respected for his virtues.

'Among the three, there will always be one who will influence the others. Start from there. Step by step, your goal will be achieved,' he said.
("Words of wisdom from the Warren couple," Totel V. de Jesus, Manila Standard Today, 9/5/06) [emphasis added]

The Generic Global PEACE Plan is easy to implement if you think outside the denominational box. The world needs to be united around a common PURPOSE -- i.e., PEACE -- however that comes to be defined.

PEACE can be achieved by building upon the foundation of a common purpose. This is management guru Peter Drucker's 3-legged stool -- the Church collaborating ("partnering") with the State and the Corporate. Essential to the success of this model is locating any generic "man of peace" who is willing to be trained as a facilitator/change agent.

Tamara Hartzell devotes a good portion of Chapter 15 in her book In the Name of Purpose: Sacrificing Truth at the Altar of Unity to Rick Warren's obsession with finding a generic "man of peace" in each community. We quoted from this chapter extensively in the past few Herescope posts. The remainder of this chapter is worth a read. Then, continuing on this topic in Chapter 16, Hartzell notes how Rick Warren believes that unity is achieved globally by finding a common purpose:


“Unity Comes from Purpose, Not from Anything Else”

“Now let me tell you something. We’ve been talking a lot about unity out of diversity this week. We will never have unity over all of our doctrines because I can’t even get my family to agree on it, much less my church and your church. And we’re never going to get everybody to agree on all of the worship styles.… We’re never gonna agree on all of our styles and all of our methods, so let me tell you what we can agree on: the Great Commandment and the Great Commission. Unity comes from purpose, not from anything else. It comes from purpose.…

“Friends, it’s time to stop debating and start doing. Stop debating the Bible, and start doing it. It’s time to stop criticizing and start cooperating. It’s time for the church to be known for love not legalism, to be known for what we’re for not just what we’re against. It’s time for the church to be the church. That is the new Reformation that I’m praying for.… The critical question of this night is this, ‘Will we accept the challenge?’” —Rick Warren (Emphasis added)29

Rick Warren gave this challenge at the Baptist World Centenary Congress -- the 100th birthday celebration of the Baptist World Alliance (BWA). It was held in Birmingham, England on July 27-31, 2005 and featured a variety of speakers, including former U.S. President Jimmy Carter.

“When Warren was asked what was hoped to be gained from the four-day event, he answered: ‘This is a celebration of diversity and unity at the same time.… If we all have to agree to make a fellowship then the fellowship would remain very small. So celebrating both unity and diversity is what this congress is about.’” —Christian Today, 7/28/0530

This Centenary Congress, which covered topics such as “poverty, prostitution and the Purpose-Driven Church,”31 included a drive for unity with other religions (faiths) in its celebration of unity and diversity. The following comments of Jimmy Carter were noted in the article, “Carter: global ‘hunger’ for healing outweighs beliefs that divide faiths”32:

“There is an ‘intense hunger’ among Christians worldwide -- and among people of all faiths -- to work for justice and oppose terrorism, despite serious differences of faith, Jimmy Carter said July 30.

“‘There is an intense hunger among Christians around the world for a healing of the differences that now separate us from one another,’ Carter … told reporters gathered for the July 27-31 Baptist World Centenary Congress in Birmingham, England.”

“Differences of belief -- even among Muslims, Jews and Christians -- are outweighed by a common commitment ‘to truth, to justice, to benevolence, to compassion, to generosity and to love,’ Carter told a roomful of reporters from around the world. Those commonalities ‘make it easy for us to stand united without dissention [sic] and for a common purpose.’

“‘We need to come back together,’ he said emphatically.”

“‘I think the main impediment is not knowing each other, not understanding each other, not recognizing that basic truth … that every religion emphasizes truth and justice and benevolence and compassion and generosity and love.’” (Ellipsis dots in the original; emphasis added)

“The tough work of interfaith dialog is not pointless but well worth the risk and investment of time, he said.”

Continuing the challenge for pragmatic unity of purpose, the “closing charge to delegates” at its Freedom conference was given by Baptist minister Dr. Michael Taylor. It was reported in the July 27 Press Release for the Baptist World Congress:

“Christians must unite with those of other faiths to tackle oppression around the globe.…

“‘The only potentially realistic way to get western governments to tackle these issues is to build the strongest, most proactive networks of activists around the world. This will mean linking with other Christians and with people of other faiths, working together in different ways for the common good.’” (Emphasis added)33

Rick Warren, whose own P.E.A.C.E. Plan calls for an interfaith network of “men of peace” and “houses of worship” working together in world service, boldly challenged this Congress with, “We will never have unity over all of our doctrines” so “unity comes from purpose, not from anything else.” Clearly, in today’s pragmatic Christianity which is striving for a purpose-driven unity of faiths, this challenge to relegate doctrinal differences to the list of non-essentials refers to more than just doctrinal differences between Christians.


Religion doesn't matter. But unity of purpose does!

It is interesting to note that the New Agers also have a PEACE Plan and theirs coincides perfectly with this "service" to humanity agenda. It is therefore conceivable that the "man of peace" in any given locale could be someone sympathetic to the Theosophical doctrines of the newly restructured global Peace Alliance. From the Chapter 7 Update of Warren Smith's recently updated Reinventing Jesus Christ: The New Gospel, we learn the specifics of this new unity of purpose:


The New Age Peace Alliance
The Global Renaissance Alliance – originally co-founded as the American Renaissance Alliance in 1997 – was renamed the Peace Alliance in 2005. By transforming the more hard-core New Age Global Renaissance Alliance into the more spiritually and politically pleasing Peace Alliance, co-founders Marianne Williamson and Neale Donald Walsch had removed most of the spiritual trappings that made the Global Renaissance Alliance such an easily identifiable New Age organization. Gone from the new Peace Alliance website was any mention of the organization’s more controversial co-founder Neale Donald Walsch. Also gone were most of the board members who were obvious New Age leaders – people like Barbara Marx Hubbard, Gary Zukav and Deepak Chopra. And gone from the new website was the original recommended reading list that had included Williamson’s book about A Course in Miracles (A Return to Love), Walsch’s books that downplayed the serious crimes of Hitler (Conversations with God: Books 1&2), and Hubbard’s book that mandated the “selection process” (The Revelation).

In fact, most people looking at the reinvented Peace Alliance website would never know that this “peace” organization had been originally founded by New Age leaders for specific New Age spiritual/political purposes. Like Walsch and his Humanity’s Team, the Peace Alliance was yet another way for these New Age leaders to tempt the world – and the church – with their repackaged New Age teachings. The Peace Alliance is, for all intents and purposes, still the New Age Global Renaissance Alliance. But now these “spiritual activists” have become more radical as they boldly proclaim their spiritually-based peace movement to be a “civil rights movement for the soul” – a phrase coined by Neale Donald Walsch’s “God” to describe his New Spirituality. In Walsch’s book Tommorrow’s God, Walsch and “God” discuss the ominous implications of this clever catchphrase:

“God”: I have said repeatedly that the New Spirituality is a civil rights movement for the soul. It is a message of freedom from humanity’s belief in an oppressive, angry, violent, and killing God. When this message is received by the people, it will not matter how powerful a dictator’s government is, or how repressive a religion is. When the number of people who no longer support oppression and repression reaches critical mass, that government will fall, and that religion will disappear.

Walsch: There is another profound political development that I see emerging from the New Spirituality.

“God”: What is that?

Walsch: I see the present form of democracy disappearing.

“God”: Yes? And why? Why do you see this happening? Is this what you choose to create?

Walsch: I think so, yes.

“God”: Why?

Walsch: Because another of the foundational truths of the New Spirituality is Oneness, and those who embrace this New Spirituality –

“God”: – the number of which will increase exponentially each year –

Walsch: – will see themselves as separate from no one and nothing. I believe that this sense of unity will not be merely theoretical or conceptual, but experiential.

“God”: I agree with you. The New Spirituality will produce this shift. People will not merely know themselves to be one with everything, they will feel this unity.
In the days of the New Spirituality the unity of all things will be experiential.

Walsch: This will dramatically change people’s attitude about many things.

“God”: It will, indeed. (22) [emphasis in original]


To read more about the restructured Global Renaissance Alliance, now called the Peace Alliance, see the Chapter 7 Update to Reinventing Jesus Christ posted online. Here you will learn about an actual bill in Congress to establish a Peace Department!

The Truth:

"The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths: whosoever goes therein shall not know peace." (Isaiah 59:8)

"And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes." (Romans 3:17-18)

posted by Discernment Research Group @ 9/05/2006 03:04:00 PM

Self-centeredness & the Generic "PEACE" Plan

"As a final statement, Dr. Warren’s most striking reminder to those who paid thousands of pesos to personally hear his and Kay’s lecturers: 'Things don’t change but people do. Always remember that most unhappy people are the self-centered ones.'”
("Words of Wisdom from the Warren couple, Totel V. de Jesus, Manila Standard Today, 9/06/06) [emphasis added]

"Self-centeredness is the root of practically every problem – both personally and globally."
(Rick Warren, better together: What on earth are we here for? (Purpose-Driven Publ., 2004, p. 12)

"…[T]he fundamental regression is self-centeredness, or the illusion that you are separate from God. I 'make war' on self-centeredness. It shall surely be overcome. The child must become the adult. Human must become Divine. That is the law." (p. 233)

"At the co-creative stage of evolution, one self-centered soul is like a lethal cancer cell in a body: deadly to itself and to the whole." (p. 255)

"The surgeon dare leave no cancer in the body when he closes up the wound after a delicate operation. We dare leave no self-centeredness on Earth after the selection process. For when we complete the process of the transformation, all who live on will be empowered to be godlike." (p. 240)
(Direct quotes from Barbara Marx Hubbard's "Christ" in The Revelation: A Message of Hope for the New Millennium [Nataraj Publ, 1995]) [emphases added]

Self-centeredness is a word that now has two definitions. The old definition, according to Webster's, means "occupied or concerned only with one's own affairs; egocentric; selfish." The new definition is steeped in Theosophy. It means anyone who refuses to see themselves and others as part of the whole of humanity which is evolving towards godhood. This Theosophical definition is now being totally wrapped up into the concept of Global PEACE.

Warren Smith explains this new doctrine of "self-centeredness" in the original Chapter 2 of Reinventing Jesus Christ, now posted online:

"Hubbard's 'Christ' describes how planet Earth is at an evolutionary crossroads. He states that the world is about to make an evolutionary leap that will take all creation to a new level. Those who awaken to their own divinity, by aligning themselves with God and one with each other, will evolve. Those who continue to believe in 'fear' and 'separation,' rather than in 'love' and 'oneness,' will not evolve.

"…Hubbard's 'Christ,' while describing the 'birth experience' and affirming his love for all mankind, nevertheless warns that there will be no place in the 'New Jerusalem' for those who refuse to see themselves and others as a part of God. He describes, therefore, the necessity of a 'selection process' that will select out resistant individuals who 'choose' not to evolve. This 'selection process' is a 'purification' that will be accomplished through 'the shock of a fire.' (18)

"Christ states that those who see themselves as 'separate' and not divine hinder humanity's ability to spiritually evolve. Those who deny their own 'divinity' are 'cancer cells' in the body of God. (19) 'Christ' warns that a healthy body must have no cancer cells. Cancer cells must be healed or removed from the body. He describes the means of removal as the 'selection process.' The 'selection process' results in the deaths of those who refuse to see themselves as a part of God.

"After the 'selection process' the spirit bodies of the departed individuals will continue to be 'purified' in the spirit realm. Hubbard's 'Christ' emphasizes that they will not be given another physical body and they will not be able to rejoin humanity until they rid themselves of all 'self-centeredness' as 'the illusion' that one is 'separate' from God. The self-centered temptation to see oneself as 'separate,' and not as part of God, is 'evil' and must be 'overcome.' He also refers to self-centeredness, or this illusion of separateness, as 'Satan." (p. 16) [emphases added]

Barbara Marx Hubbard, a leading Theosophist who is working on a Global PEACE Plan, has not gone away into obscurity. If anything, she is more active than ever. She is now considered to be a "prophet." And she was given a prestigious "Peace Builders Award" in Washington, D.C. in 2005. She was part of the original Global Renaissance Alliance, recently renamed Global PEACE Alliance, and is now working on national legislation pertaining to global "peace" (see Chapter 7 Update for Reinventing Jesus Christ).

Warren Smith describes a few of Hubbard's recent activities in his update to Chapter 2 of Reinventing Jesus Christ:


Evolve or Perish
On the first anniversary of September 11, 2001, Barbara Marx Hubbard surfaced as a speaker at the “Quasquicentennial Lecture Series on the Future of Higher Education” at Texas A&M University. The college newspaper The Aggie Daily quoted Hubbard as stating that the world was at an “evolutionary crossroads” and that “we have equal power to destroy ourselves or create and transform ourselves into something greater.” The title of her lecture was “A New Evolution for the Future of Humanity: 9/11 a Wake-up Call for the Next Step in Human Development.” Hubbard was also quoted as saying, “This generation in the next 20 years will be a deciding factor in human evolution…. None of us know how to guide a planet through this; there are no experts.” She warned that “Humanity must realize that we are on the threshold of fulfilling our greatest aspirations but we must consciously take hold of that evolution or perish…. Higher Education may be the first step toward that next state on the path toward evolution rather than destruction.”1

Barbara Marx Hubbard, however, did have a plan on “how to guide a planet through this.” Even as she spoke to this Texas audience she was being promoted as one of the featured “prophets” at an upcoming New Age “Prophets Conference” in Palm Springs, California.(2) The website describing the conference stated that Hubbard was a modern-day “prophet” who had a spiritual “blueprint” that could help guide the planet through its present crises. The “blueprint” was what she had channeled from her “Christ” and recorded in her book The Revelation: A Message of Hope for the New Millennium. So, while she was telling the Texas A&M group that “none of us know how to guide a planet through this,” she had already written a book on the subject and was about to give a scheduled talk at an upcoming “Prophet’s Conference” entitled “THE PLANETARY AWAKENING: How our generation can transform the world.” By presenting herself to the Texas A&M audience as a futurist and an educator– not as a New Age leader channeling “Christ” – Hubbard was being less than straightforward about her spiritual agenda. She was telling her Texas audience that humanity must “consciously take hold of its evolution or perish,” but she wasn’t disclosing what that really meant – spiritually evolve according to the dictates of her New Age “Christ ”or be killed! Accept the New Age/New Gospel teachings of the New Spirituality or be handed over to the “selection process.” She didn’t tell them what she had received from her “Christ” and written down over twenty years ago: how the “defective,” “self-centered” part of humanity that refuses to evolve by recognizing that God is “in” everyone, will have to be sacrificially killed for the higher purpose of world peace:

"'No worldly peace can prevail until the self-centered members of the planetary body either change, or die. That is the choice. The red horse is the destruction during the birth process of those who refuse to be born into God-centered, universal life. They cannot go backward to the womb; they cannot go forward to the new heavens and new earth. They must surely die, or change.'" (3)…


After a brief overview of Hubbard's recent political activities, Smith observes the parallels to her usage of the term "self-centeredness" and those of Rick Warren, as exemplified in the quotes at the top of this post:


…Self-centeredness and Separation
Hubbard’s “Christ” warns that only those who are not “self-centered” or “separate” – who see God in everyone – will evolve:

…[T]he fundamental regression is self-centeredness, or the illusion that you are separate from God. I “make war” on self-centeredness. (7) [bold added]

The species known as self-centered humanity will become extinct. The species known as whole-centered humanity will evolve. (8) [bold added]

Sadly, many high profile Christian leaders – with perhaps the best intentions – use the word “self-centered” to describe a person’s emotional or spiritual state. For example, Saddleback pastor Rick Warren describes “self-centeredness” as the “root cause” of all of our problems. He writes:

Self-centeredness is the root of practically every problem – both personally and globally. (9) [bold added]

Because Rick Warren describes “self-centeredness” rather than sin as the root of all the world’s problems, he inadvertently presents a New Age worldview rather than a biblical worldview. In using the word “self-centeredness” rather than sin he has unwittingly adopted the language and the worldview of the New Age “Christ” rather than the language of Jesus Christ. For example, he used the words “self-centered” or “self-centeredness” fourteen times in his best selling book The Purpose-Driven Life.

Obviously there is no inherent problem with the term “self-centeredness,” or in using it as a figure of speech. However, to indiscriminately use words that have deep New Age meaning – without any warning about that New Age meaning – is to play right into the hands of the New Spirituality and the New Age “Christ.” In these perilous times in which we live, it is so important to know how words are being spiritually defined by those who would try to undermine the Christian faith through their schemes and devices and semantic traps. It can be very confusing when evangelical leaders like Rick Warren are sounding a little too much like Barbara Marx Hubbard.


The Truth:

The Scriptures make it clear that "self-centeredness" is not the root of man's problem. Nor can global "peace" activities eradicate this problem. Man's basic problem is simply and concisely stated: SIN.

"For all have sinned, and come short of the Glory of God." (Romans 3:23)

The only remedy for this is Jesus Christ, which is expounded upon in subsequent verses in the book of Romans. And "peace" is personal -- not global -- as some would have us believe. It is only obtained in one manner:

"Therefore being Justified by Faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: By Whom we also have access by Faith into this Grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the Glory of God." (Romans 5:1-2)

posted by Discernment Research Group @ 9/07/2006 11:06:00 AM

Purpose Driven Deception Part Five-Rick Warren and The New Age Emergent Church

Not a lot needs to be said here because Rick Warren has been promoting and endorsing New Agers Like Leonard Sweet and The Emergent church for sometime now.
Go to this link to see the great information and work Dave and Deb Dombroski have been doing exposing this.

From a newsletter I receive from Lighthouse concerning false teacher Erwin Mcmanus (who is promoted and endorsed by Promise Keepers)
"This revolution that McManus would like to see is one that would eradicate Christianity off the face of the earth. He, like Rick Warren, insists that Christianity is thoroughly corrupt, and that a new movement is needed. McManus states: "Two thousand years ago, God started a revolt against the religion He started. So don't ever put it past God to cause a groundswell movement against churches and Christian institutions that bear His name." Here he erroneously states that God revolted against Judaism, which simply isn't true. In reality, God established the Law and the Prophets through the Jew whom He refers to as the apple of His eye. Jesus came as a sacrificial Lamb to save, and He informed his followers that the time is fulfilled - he wasn't overthrowing a religion - He came to fulfill prophecy. And now McManus' confused thinking extends to Christianity, suggesting now God will revolt against it as well.

Remember Mormonism folks?
This is the same sort of deception that formed Mormonism.
Every cult is founded on the premise that all Christianity is either corrupt and or apostate.
Its no different than the religion that Rick Warren, Emergent (New Age), and Erwin Mcmanus are founding.

But I believe with all my heart that this is the movement the Bible speaks of in
Thess 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means;for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition."

I do believe that the religion Rick Warren is helping to found is the end time one world religion that will usher in the anti-christ.
I see many replies on many sites from followers of Warren and Mcmanus who claim these teachers are godly, biblical teachers.
A false teacher surely wouldnt be a very good one if he didnt know how to mix false with truth.
The whole of what Warren and Emergent Macmanus teach does not stack up with scripture.
You really need to start reading the Bible and let the Holy Spirit lead you into all truth.
(Instead of Rick and Erwins half truth)
And you had better do this before its to late.

I will be wrapping this series up with one final article-
The business of Rick Warren and Purpose Driven.
Stay tuned

Sunday, September 17, 2006

Change agents in the churches


Despatch Comments re unbiblical Covenants & Vows

... Rick Warren ...
“The Purpose Driven Church”

A W.B. Howard...Editor of Despatch

“Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught,
that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort
and to convince the gainsayers (those who oppose it)”
(Titus 1:9).
Books on church growth and evange-lisation are of course not new, pastors and leaders have written them for generations. But when a book comes out which is a motivational handbook, makes such a success that it is called a “classic”, and it impacts denominations across the world, then we had better be sure that the book’s contents are pleasing to God, and that it is Scriptural motivation which is being presented. Rick Warren’s “The Purpose Driven Church” is such a book. Today it is being used by many denominations, the Baptist Union in Australia has taken its teachings heavily to heart, even using Warren’s concept of signing covenants into use in that denomination. What is this book, and Rick Warren’s doctrine and religious philosophy all about, and who are his bed-fellows in his “ministry”? Very important questions we should ask in Australia before rushing right into the instructions this man tenders. We could call Warren and his fast -growing companions in “corporation Christianity” CHURCH BUILDERS ON MARKETING SURVEYS.
From the Saddleback Valley Community Church, California, USA:

1. Rick Warren cites, approves of and quotes from these leaders:
Robert Schuller, Pastor Crystal Cathedral, California;
Bill Hybells, pastor of Willow Creek Community Church;
Richard Foster - author of “Celebration of Discipline”;
C Peter Wagner - Fuller Theo- logical Seminary, Pasadena;
John Wimber (now deceased) - Vineyard Ministries International.

(There are many other names scattered in Warren’s book under discussion,
we can deal with just a few here). ...
Access BDM homepage for expose on these men
not Wagner. (we have our own expose below...part of material not yet online)
The names mentioned above are ALL of men who have departed from the Faith of the Bible, some have become apostate to an alarming degree. So much so that they are basically enemies of the Cross of Calvary.
We have to ask ourselves: “could Warren be unaware of the doctrines and activities of these men?”
If so, he is naive and totally lacks discernment of a spiritual type, there is no excuse for not knowing who and what are the people you stand with and for. Could such a man be trusted to advise whole denominations?
Or we could ask maybe:
“is Warren being loving, and wants to welcome everyone who names the Name of Christ Jesus?”
If so, he is disobedient to God’s commands, and lacks love and compassion for those who have been caught in the traps of these false teachers already, and for those who may be yet caught in thefuture.

We could ask: “could it be that Warren knows the success these men have had, and wants to advise others to use their methods of Church growth?”
THIS would be the true answer, I suggest. If so, then Warren is willing to adapt the methods of dangerous deceivers, and calls that compromise “Godliness” and “success”. There is really no excuse for what Warren has done in the book, “The Purpose Driven Church”; he has shown himself to be a liberal modernist and a collaborator with the severe apostasy of these latter days. He has no clear understanding of Biblical separation or Scriptural Godliness. Information is given at the end of this booklet on the doctrinal errors of the above mentioned leaders. You may like to study this before proceeding, if you have doubts about the veracity of this critique thus far.

2. Warren instructs in the art of bringing the wickedness of the world right into the churches of Christendom.

In his book, Warren urges the churches to adopt Rock music, to use business motivational techniques in order to fill churches with thousands of people. The main object of his book seems to be to cause churches to “grow”, and he will use almost any method to make that happen! Although he says on the front page of his book, “Growth Without Compromising Your Message & Mission”, he speaks with a forked tongue!
He writes: “I wrote to the one hundred largest churches in America and spent a year researching their ministries.” Now, if he did this why did he not also find out what these “largest churches” taught and stood for? I find it difficult to believe that there are, or were even a few years ago, a hundred very, very large churches in the USA which are Scripturally sound! These are the times of the Great falling away of II Thess.3, the really Godly churches would be mainly small, not popular with tens of thousands of attendees. See the contrast between the Philadelphia Church (the true Church of the endtimes) and the Laodicean Church (the large apostate Church of the endtimes) in Revelation 3:7-22. Warren seeks to throw out all solid, decent hymn music, which is filled with uplifting doctrine and lyrics, and replace it with new songs, Midi music, pop lyrics, Rock bands with drums, in order to bring the world what it is used to! Warren is a part of the falling away, not the “revival” of the churches.

3. More about the concepts of GROWTH and FRUIT. The book by Warren lays huge emphasis on “growth” as “fruit.” On the back cover Warren states that “in order for a church to be healthy it must become a purpose-driven church”! He outlines distinctly, despite a bit of double speak, what he considers to be the “purpose”, it is growth! Now that is not exactly a Godly purpose! Are we to imagine that growth, larger congregations, is the purpose which is to “drive” the Christian Church assemblies? Warren aims everything at his purpose, and to “grow” he thinks he must ape the world in order to attract the unsaved, who are to become the large congregations of his purpose-driven church. Pop/Rock music greatly appeals to the world, so Warren uses it exclusively. The unsaved do not like to sing in congregations, so Warren gives them mainly entertainers, who sing the lyrics to the Rock songs. He suits the decor of the church building and its surrounds to the unsaved, and so forth.

This is not the way of God! A church service is there primarily to honour and worship God Almighty, Warren’s ideas have the effect of making the church just another place where the corrupt Rock n’Roll rules supreme! There is no excuse for making a Rock concert out of a church service! The Church assembly is all about Christians worshipping God, encouraging one another, getting spiritual food from the study of the Word of God. Church assemblies are not about making a place where the world feels comfortable. Evangelism is not the primary reason for having a Sunday morning service, although Warren seems to think so, this is why Saturday night and Sunday night evangelical outreaches are held in denominations. FIRST in our lives should be the keeping of the commandment:

“Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.”
(Matthew 4:10).
“...true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth:
for the Father seeketh such to worship him.” (John 4:23).
Get a picture in your mind of what “churches” may be like in a few years, if Warren and his cohorts have a major impact on denominations. Everything geared to suit the unsaved, to attract them, true Christians outside the denominations because they couldn’t stand the noise and the worldliness, and the denominations given over to the world and its influences entirely.
4. Some more about GROWTH and FRUIT. Warren insists that growth is identical to spiritual “fruit”, and that we cannot be bearing fruit unless a congregation in a church is growing. This is nothing like Biblical teaching, which lists the fruit of the Holy Spirit in Galatians 5:22-23. You will note that growth of congregations isn’t mentioned at all as being “fruit”. The fruit of the Holy Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance, NOT “growth”. Warren quoting from new versions, not the KJV, comes up with the statement “the fruit of a believer is another believer.” (P.63 ibid). Certainly God wants us to win others to Christ, and this is to His glory alone, but our fruit is not just bringing unsaved people along to fill up the church pews. Nor is it true that we are not bearing fruit if the church assembly is small. Note the Philadelphia Church of the Last Days, it is commended by God, yet it has “little strength”, put another way, it is not large and rich. In contrast the Laodicean apostate church of the last days is rich and powerful, and no doubt large as well (Revelation 3:7-19). Yes, converts are “fruit” in a sense, (Romans 1:13) but this is only a minute part of what the Bible terms “fruit”, and we certainly can bear fruit although congregations are small.

5. Warren uses new Bible versions continually. The new versions come from the source of Westcott and Hort, not the Textus Receptus! If you compare the verses given throughout the Warren book you will find that they do not convey the same meaning as the Authorised Version. Naturally, Warren comes up with quite a different understanding than that given by God’s Word in the KJV!

6. Looking at various quotes from the book, “The Purpose Driven Church”:

On p.16: “ If my kids don’t grow, something has gone terribly wrong, Lack of growth usually indicates an unhealthy situation, possibly a disease...the church is a living organism, it is natural for it to grow if it is healthy, The church is a body; not a business. It is an organism, not an organisation, It is alive. If a church is not growing, it is dying.”
This is a muddle of ideas! Children are growing because they are immature human beings, who must reach adulthood. A healthy church assembly is in truth an organism, but it does not have to have large congregations, “growing” congregations, in order to show it is healthy. It is not “dying” if the congregations are stable, or even dwindling. We are living now in the Last Days, a sign of these times is a rapid decline in adherence to the true Faith contained in God’s Word. Large churches are appearing everywhere which are apostate beyond imagination, hundreds of thousands flock to watch the antics of such demon-filled preachers as Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland and Rodney Howard-Browne. Yet, Bible-based, God-fearing churches are losing numbers because the people have itching ears for the “new”, exciting, and experience-orientated apostasies of these days. Are we to suppose that big congregations show that the churches are “healthy”? Rather the opposite, small congregations are often healthy and blessed by God. Not that we should want to stay small for small’s sake, of course. The more people Christians can bring to Christ the better, but small does not mean “unhealthy” or “dying”. Nor do we have to “grow” like a child has to grow, for growth’s sake.
On p.18: Warren says that the New Testament is a church-growth book. His exact statement is this:

“I’ve spent even more time going through the New Testament. I’ve read it over and over, studying it with ‘church-growth eyes,’ searching for principles, patterns, and procedures. The New Testament is the greatest church-growth book ever written.”
Warren shows in his book that he is “growth” oriented to an exclusive degree! He excludes putting worship of God in first place, he excludes all the glorious teachings of the NT prophecy, he excludes warning his people of apostasy and the events of the endtimes, he excludes teaching about the true fruit of the Spirit and wonderful instruction on a myriad of subjects, and he excludes everything God commands on SEPARATION. Separation from worldly music and behaviour; separation from false doctrine taught in apostate churches, separation unto a Holy God. He gives lip-service to some of the above in passing, but his emphasis is plain enough. Warren sees the NT through “church-growth eyes.” His book is in reality a book which should be called: “How to Build a Large Kingdom for Yourself, Pastor.” It reminds me very much of a business manual, because it IS a business manual really, and brings to mind that church leaders in the last days will “make merchandise of you.” (II Peter 2:3). Note that this reference warns us that “many shall follow their pernicious ways” Pernicious means unhealthy, deadly, killing. The Bible warns us that there will be a “large number” who will follow after false teachers, “big congregations?” These teachers will “through covetousness” (or greed for position and money) “with feigned words” (false words) “make merchandise” of people. They will use people as objects which cause their businesses to grow - more bottoms on pews means larger congregations, means more influence, means “I” head up a huge church, which means “I” am a successful, powerful, well-heeled Pastor? Rather like stacking “merchandise” or products on shelves to build up a business, isn’t it.
Warren quotes Psalm 35:27 on p. 25, as though “do well” means having a large church for himself to rule over. I find this extremely shallow in outlook. Churches are supposed to be there for the worship of God, and to provide a place for Christians, to admonish, exhort, comfort, encourage and fellowship with each other. The church is not there to pander to some pastor’s ambition trip. Warren’s book tempts others to get out of the rut, and copy the world’s lifestyle like he does, in order that they may “do well.”

On p. 28:
Warren says that one of his favourite movies is “Raiders of the Lost Ark.” This film is filled with double meanings and occult symbols, which line up with Biblical prophecy.
On p. 38 he lists some of Christendom’s most influential heretics of our age as “best-known” pastors. Including Robert Schuller, and John Wimber. These men are NOT sound Bible teachers, and are ecumenical, pawns of the Vatican (Wimber has passed away).

A strange statement appears on p.40. Warren writes

“I didn’t know enough to call my survey of the community a ‘marketing’ study. To me, it was just a matter of meeting the people I intended to reach. Those who had been coming to our small Bible study helped me take the community survey. The irony was this: Many of those who came to home Bible study and helped me survey the unchurched in our community were unbelievers themselves.”
Unbelievers working to survey a community, representing that church in order to canvass a district? Warren will use any one as an unpaid worker to build his business!
On p.53: Warren deals with “Myth 4” in a series of “myths.” He writes:

“Of course, there are examples of churches that have grown large with faulty theology, shallow commitment, and worldly gimmicks. But the presence of a large crowd doesn’t automatically indicate that this is the case. While a few large churches have compromised their message and mission, many others, like Saddleback (his church), are unfairly placed in the same category due to our size. This guilt by association is unfortunate.”
Now, Warren has obviously been criticised by other ministries, he says down further on the same page: “ Jesus drew large crowds yet he never compromised the truth. No one accused him of watering down the message except the jealous chief priests, who criticised him out of envy (Mark 15:12). I suspect that same ministerial jealousy motivates some today who criticise churches that attract large crowds.” But those “large crowds” later crucified Jesus Christ, He perfectly obeyed God and the fickle crowd soon turned against Him. There must be some real men of God who have criticised Warren, and so they should have, even as they criticise the dreadful Crystal Cathedral of the cult leader Robert Schuller, whom Warren seems to admire. Warren DOES water down the Christian lifestyle and message.
Sadly Warren DOES use worldliness and gimmicks to attract large crowds, by his own admission. Yet, he uses such clever rhetoric that he makes his actions seem almost plausible to the unwary. He uses Rock music, entertainers, He reasons: “match your music to the kind of people God wants your church to reach.” p.281.
He says on p.282: “There is no such thing as ‘Christian music’ there are only Christian lyrics.” This is sheer nonsense! The jungle beats of modern music are quite demonic, see the end of this booklet for more on Rock music. Warren shows in many ways in his book that he adapts his message and the church atmosphere to appeal to the unsaved, not the saved and God, in order to make the unsaved comfortable. No wonder they come in crowds, it would be like a free Rock concert, and free entertainment.

On p. 166: Warren shows how far he is willing to go to adapt and pander to the styles, music, preferences and culture of the unsaved. He writes:

“The best way to find out the culture, mind-set, and lifestyle of people is to talk to them personally. You don’t need to hire a marketing firm, just go out and meet with the people in your community face-to-face. Take your own survey. ask them what they feel are their greatest needs. Listen for their hurts, interests, and fears. No book or demographic report can replace actually talking with the people in your community...”
He is talking about the UNSAVED community here! Can one imagine the Apostle Paul going about to find out what kind of lifestyle the sinners around him indulged in, and then to ponder on how he could make his message and churches suit them? The unsaved have one need, to repent and accept Christ Jesus as Saviour and Lord, and then their whole world will be turned up-side-down. Their interests, needs, music, tastes will become progressively more and more Godly. The Church is for saved people to worship the Almighty God in, not to ape the culture and mind-set of sinners. All this nonsense about marketing surveys and the like is just humanistic “wisdom” with no spiritual meat on its dry bones. The Holy Spirit draws in those who are to be saved, or sends out his evangelists to win them. And they are saved by a supernatural move in their hearts which causes them to repent from their sinful ways. Beware Christians, the modern culture of these perilous times is becoming increasingly evil, do not allow smooth talkers to tempt you to bring in the world’s evil in order to attract sinners! We Christians need to stand out like shining, pure, radiant, clean, Godly lights - and OUR lifestyle is to be presented without compromise in Godly churches. Or is it already too late?
On p.66: Warren states that we should be ready to: “ whatever it takes to reach people for Christ.” he has shown he is ready to “do whatever it takes”, New Age Bible versions; ungodly associates; God dishonouring hype and methods; using unsaved sinners to represent the church; and a pop-rock band! That he is doing all this to “reach people for Christ” is questionable. It is more to build a kingdom for self, it appears to me.

Page 68: contains one of many quotes from new versions which are nothing like the Authorized. I will quote from Warren’s book: “Never be embarrassed to use a model; it is a sign of intelligence!” Proverbs 18:15 (Living Bible) says, “The intelligent man is always open to new ideas. In fact, he looks for them.” The Authorized versions says: “The heart of the prudent getteth knowledge; and the ear of the wise seeketh knowledge.” Nothing like the Living Bible quote at all! The real Bible is pointing us to the wisdom of God’s Word, and His knowledge, not new ideas from people like Warren.
Yet Warren uses the faulty version (as he does many times) to boost his own case. In this instance, he says “you can learn from other churches without being a clone.” Note the “new ideas”, this is a feature of Rick Warren’s platform, out with the old, in with the new. No Christians, the Bible truths are forever contemporary, and we do not have to adopt the concepts of liberal modernists in order to “succeed.”

A smorgasbord of Warren’s comments:
On p.20: Warren calls pastors “CHANGE AGENTS.”
On p. 76: he mentions, positively, the huge syncretic, ecumenical, political Promise Keepers!
On p. 80: “We must adapt our communication style to our culture without adopting the sinful elements of it, or abdicating to it.” Yet Warren HAS and DOES adopt the unworthy elements of culture.
On p.126: Warren mentions favourably the New Age/Christian Richard Foster.
On p. 127: he mentions favourably C.Peter Wagner, an apostate teacher with ties to the New World Order controlled US Center for World Missions. Is Warren unaware of who and what these people are? If so, where has he been?
On p. 127: the New Age term “Serendipity” is used. There is something very suspect about a group calling itself that! He also mentions the Korean cell -church model, I presume he is talking about David Yonggi Cho’s shocking New Age/Christian groups here!

We could go on and on with this critique, space will not permit this.
On p. 340:

“Maturity Myth 6. all you need is Bible study to grow.” Here he leads oh so subtlety, so cleverly, out of study of the Scriptures and doctrinal understanding, into experience as the emphasis of the church. Warren is a evangelical, not a charismatic, so he is very astute! Here is what he writes: “Many evangelical churches have been built on this myth. I call them ‘classroom churches.’
Classroom churches tend to be left-brain oriented and cognitive focused.”
The above quote shows a number of things. Warren does not realise that the Bible is Holy Spirit breathed, it is a spiritually alive book like no other book. It is our only source of revelation and our only authority. The most needed thing for any Christian is to study the Bible, not because it is a “classroom church” idea, but because the Almighty Living God SPEAKS to us through the Scriptures. The “left-brain” comment is very New Age indeed. The left and right brain “myths” and they are myths, have no real scientific reality at all (see the book “Testing the Spirits” by Elizabeth L. Hillstrom. Pub. Intervarsity Press, for expose of left and right brain sham science).
He goes on about these “classroom churches”: “They stress the teaching of Bible content and doctrine, but give little, if any, emphasis to believers’ emotional, experiential, and relational development.” Here we see again the spiritual blindness of Warren. The Bible states that Scripture is “given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.”
(II Timothy 3:16,17). The Bible is the place where we find our emotional, experiential, and relationship development explained, opened up, we get enlightenment together - and learn God’s mind on our affairs, not man’s mind.

Warren quotes from an apostate teacher as though he was an example of Bible-based churches, which he is NOT. He quotes (without naming the man) from R.B.Thieme: “All you need to be spiritually mature, says one well-known classroom church, is to have ‘doctrine in your frontal lobe.’” This is obviously wrong, but true Bible-based churches do NOT believe such nonsense. So they are misrepresented.

Warren proceeds:

“The truth is this: It takes a variety of spiritual experiences with God to produce spiritual maturity. Genuine spiritual maturity includes having a heart that worships and praises God, building and enjoying loving relationships, using your gifts and talents in service to others, and sharing your faith with lost people.”
ALL of this goes along with sound Bible study, as God leads and directs through the reading of His glorious Word.
Warren goes on:

“If Christianity was a philosophy, then our primary activity might be studying. But Christianity is a relationship and a life. The words used most often to describe the Christian life are love, give, and serve. Jesus did not say, ‘I have come that you might study.’”
Here were have a classic Warren error. He is more humanistic than Christian, more social-orientated than he is spiritual. The Bible is God’s instruction book, filled with life and teaching which comes from the heart of the Lord. Knowing and growing personally with the Scriptures is an absolute imperative for Christian growth.
The Bible says:
“STUDY to show thyself approved unto God,
rightly dividing the word of truth.” (II Timothy 2:15).
Jesus Christ did all that He ever did by taking heed to the Word of God. Jesus Christ was the Logos, the uttered Word of God, and the Bible reveals that Living Word, Jesus Christ, in all of its pages. The New Testament and the Old Testament are living records of the Son of God, our Saviour, and we encounter Christ Himself in Scriptures’ pages. How can this man even call himself a Christian and downgrade the study of the Holy Bible so blatantly? “Classroom churches” indeed! “Left-brain oriented” indeed! Bible-based churches who see Bible study as top priority are obedient and God-honouring! “God who at sundry times and in divers manners SPAKE in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days SPOKEN unto us by his Son...” (Hebrews 1:1,2).
The Bible is filled with instructions that we should search the Scriptures and know them well, both New Testament and Old Testament, that this is top priority. Just a few here: Matt.26:56; Matt.22:29; Luke 24:27; 24:32; 24:45; John 5:39; Acts 17:11; Romans 15:4; II Peter 3:16 etc, etc. “Search the Scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.” John 5:39. “...and searched the Scriptures daily, whether these things were so.” Acts 17:11.

From p.100 and on in Rick Warren’s book we find the “purpose statement” concepts, “defining your purposes.” He lists five very good purposes, which on the surface seem excellent. Let us look deeper at these purposes, does the Saddleback Valley Church of Rick Warren “add up” here?

Purpose One: Love the Lord with all your heart. He speaks of worship.
Yet his worship services are designed to reflect the world around him, to attract sinners he says. No hymns, just rock and pop bands, new Bible versions etc.

Purpose Two: Love your neighbour as yourself.
It is hardly loving someone if you do not warn them of the great falling away into apostasy that is happening world-wide, if you honour false teachers, and bring the world into the church.

Purpose Three: Go make disciples.
This seems more about church growth again than making disciples. I quote, “Growth is not optional; it is commanded by Jesus. We should not seek church growth for our own benefit, but because God wants people saved.” People being saved is quite a different thing than urging church growth of OUR church! If Warren really was aiming at people being saved, his book would stress just that. How to win souls, praying for the converted, having a burden for the lost etc, but it doesn’t it stresses again and again CHURCH GROWTH for the sake of church growth!

Purpose Four: Baptising them.

Purpose Five: teaching them to obey.
This last purpose will lead us into the Covenants which are a large part of Saddleback Valley
Community Church. Teaching them to obey whom?

The concept of vowing by signing covenants to any church is really a signed vow. Yet God commands us NOT to make vows or oaths. In the Old Testament people were allowed to make oaths and covenants, not so the New Testament.

From Despatch magazine, Dec. 1997, p.32:

“The New Testament teaching from our Lord Himself is that we should say ‘yes’ or ‘no’, but NOT vow or make an oath! Christians should not make ‘covenants’ which require vows or oaths or sacred promises, according to our Lord’s instructions. See Matthew 5:34-34. When we speak we should speak as sincere men and women of God, whose word is honourable, so we do not have to bind ourselves in any way with vows or oaths or sacred promises, ‘for whatever is more than these cometh of evil.’ II Cor.2:17. Do NOT sign or make any covenants, oaths, promises or vows (in a Christian context). Our lord came to deal with the human heart, where as Mosaic Law allowed oaths as safe-guards against the dishonesty of the man under Law, who had not experienced the new birth into the new creation. Jesus Christ forbids oaths and vows altogether in the NT, by so doing He thus accomplished the real purpose of the Law. See James 5:12. “Above all things...lest ye fall into condemnation.” Marriage vows are really civil law, not religious vows, which must be taken under our country’s secular administration, whether in a civil ceremony or in a church.”
The Rick Warren Church, Saddleback Valley Community Church, issued its potential members with a Covenant, which they MUST sign before membership is allowed. This means they are signing a vow to keep certain requirements of that church. Many churches are now following the Saddleback model, we warn the reader to beware! What are some of the chief concerns about such a covenant?
One deep concern is that people are expected to sign a vow that they will give a tenth of their income! Yet, the Bible tells us that what we give in the Church Age is to be given out of the generosity of our own hearts, cheerfully, and not by covenant or necessity:

“Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give;
not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.” (II Cor. 9:7).
Another concern is that people must sign a covenant that they will follow the leaders of the church! Now the Bible says we must obey church leaders, but only if those leaders are Godly, Bible-based, obedient to God etc. If they are not these things, then we must NOT follow them. It is not of God to sign a covenant to simply “follow” leaders, full stop. One has vowed in writing to follow, without any proviso. And at any rate, why is any covenant necessary, why bind ourselves to obedience to leaders with a signature? We are called primarily to follow the Lord and His Word, leaders are just saved sinners after all.
There is even a signed vow that one will attend the church faithfully and live a Godly life. No one should have to sign such a covenant. For one thing new Christians especially may not have learned how to walk by faith for sanctification, they will then often fail to live as Godly a life as they know they should. They would be breaking a signed vow to God, which they cannot help but break to some extent! What guilt and shame would be heaped upon their heads, not to mention condemnation! Believers should also meet to worship God because they want to before the Lord, because they are alive in Jesus Christ, not because they have signed a covenant with some fellowship group. All this is heavily legalistic and binding upon people.
The Bible says:

“Stand fast in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free...” (Gal. 5:1).
1. Robert Schuller. This man has headed up the world-wide cult of Self-Esteem and Self-Love. His teachings are anti-biblical in many different ways, Schuller is an ecumenist who embraces the Roman Catholic Church. From Dave Hunt’s “The Seduction of Christianity”, p.p.14,15" “Success Is the Name of the Game. Success is the name of the game today, not only out there in the world, but inside the church as well. Humility is out and self- esteem is in, even though we are urged in Scripture, “Let each esteem others better than themselves” (Philippians 2:3 KJV). It used to be common knowledge that the besetting sin of the human race was pride. Now, however, we are being told that our problem is not that we think too highly of ourselves, but too lowly, that we have a bad self-image, and that our greatest need is to build up our self-esteem. Though Peter wrote, “Humble yourselves, therefore, under the might hand of God, that He may exalt you at the proper time” (I Peter 5:6), we are being urged to “visualise” ourselves into success. Paul’s inspired declaration that Christ “emptied Himself, taking the form of a bondservant ... [and] humbled Himself by becoming obedient to ... death on a cross” (Philippians 2:7,8) is now explained by Robert Schuller, in the context of today’s success-oriented world, to mean:

Jesus knew his worth, his success fed his self-esteem ... He suffered the cross to sanctify his self-esteem. And he bore the cross to sanctify your self-esteem. And the cross will sanctify the ego trip. Success and self-esteem have become so important in the church that they seem to overshadow everything else. Robert Schuller states: “A person is in hell when he has lost his self-esteem.” (1) As Christianity’s “number one TV preacher,” (2) he is watched on nearly 200 TV stations each Sunday by an audience of nearly 3 million. (3) A prolific author, his books are frequently on The New York Times best-seller list. According to Christianity Today, “Schuller is now reaching more non-Christians than any other religious leader in America.” (4) Schuller’s influence is enormous, and his “Gospel of Success” (5) is being accepted and preached by increasing numbers of Christian leaders. What does Schuller find wrong with the old gospel? Although Paul wrote that “Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners” (I Timothy 1:15), and Christ Himself said that He came to call “sinners to repentance” (Luke 5:32), Robert Schuller writes: I don’t think anything has been done in the name of Christ and under the banner of Christianity that has proven more destructive to human personality and, hence, counterproductive to the evangelism enterprise than the often crude, uncouth, and unchristian strategy of attempting to make people aware of their lost and sinful condition. (6)”

And Rick Warren even uses a recommendation by Schuller at the start of his book, “The Purpose Driven Church.” Success, popularity, prosperity, worldliness are the aims and purposes of both Schuller and Warren.

2. Richard Foster. This teacher has entered into the shadowy world of pantheistic occultism! His book “Celebration of Discipline” has many, many New Age teachings in it. If Rick Warren was more Bible study orientated he would realise that this man Foster is NOT of our Biblical God at all. In the original edition of Foster’s book p. 170 said this, “We of the New Age can risk going against the tide.” Later editions have had this slip removed, it showed Foster’s true colours. Foster is a mystic, who teaches of the dark night of the soul, and extreme passivity and emptying the mind in meditation techniques of the New Age. From Dave Hunt’s “The Seduction of Christianity” p.p. 126,127: “Richard Foster, who is one of Agnes Sanford’s many admirers and was heavily influenced by her, states: “I have been greatly helped in my understanding of the value of the imagination in praying for others by Agnes Sanford and my dear friend, Pastor Bill Vaswig.” Foster says that he took “the idea for some of the ... visualizations” he presents from Vaswig’s book; (1) and Vaswig got them from Sanford. (2) The arousal of the power of the imagination through fantasy and visualization is one of the major themes of Foster’s best-selling book Celebration of Discipline, (3) which, nevertheless, is to be commended for encouraging devotion to the Lord and greater discipline in the Christian life. Later Foster says again: “This advice ... [of] prayer through the imagination ... picture the healing ... and much more, was given to me by Agnes Sanford. I have discovered her to be an extremely wise and skilful counsellor... Her book The Healing Gifts of the Spirit is an excellent resource.” (4) Whatever Sanford said as a “skilful counsellor” concerning her favourite topic, “prayer through the imagination,” was rooted in her basically pagan beliefs onto which she merely superimposed Christian and psychological terminology, especially Jungian. This ought to be clear to anyone reading her writings. For example: Wise men of India for many centuries have trod the lofty peaks of meditation developing their psycho-spiritual powers and giving birth to their oversouls.

Spirits of those [dead] for whom we have prayed on earth are working through us.....One conveys that healing force to the inner being [of the sick] through the law of suggestion ...He [the person doing the healing] has made a thought-track between his spirit, subconscious mind and body; the body, the subconscious mind and the spirit of the patient ... (5)”

These following quotes from Richard Foster will show where this man is coming from, New Age/Christianity and shamanism: “Imagination opens the door to faith. If we can’see’ in our mind’s eye (the third eye of the Hindus) a shattered marriage whole or a sick person well, it is only a short step to believing it will be so.” (insert added, p.36, “Celebration of Discipline.”) “‘Let’s play a little game,’ I said. ‘Since we know Jesus is always with us. let’s imagine that He is sitting over in the chair across from us. He is waiting for to center our attention on Him.’” (p.37. ibid).

3. John Wimber. Now deceased, John Wimber has been used as a model by Warren: From Dave Hunt’s “Seduction of Christianity” p. 174: “...these men are creating a powerful New Age “paradigm shift” that is changing the way thousands of pastors and future pastors view Christianity and the Bible. In his latest Signs and Wonders Lecture Notes, John Wimber writes:

At the time of the preparation of this manual, Dr. C. Peter Wagner and I have been teaching MC510 for three years. It has been one of the most invigorating and exciting adventures of our lives.

At this date, January, 1985, we have had in excess of 700 students take the course at Fuller Seminary School of World Missions. The results have been astounding. Better than 90 percent of the students have indicated a paradigm shift in which they are now ministering in an altered worldview. (1)

Wimber’s seminars are being attended by thousands of pastors and Christian leaders. John Wimber is very sincere in his desire to bring biblical teaching. It is the extra-biblical sources he and others draw upon and recommend that creates the major problem. Under the influence of writers such as Sanford, Kelsey et al more and more Christian leaders interpret Scripture through a grid of mysticism blended with Jungian psychology. *Just Imagine!* There is a definite “paradigm shift” taking place in the thinking or a very wide spectrum of church leaders. Catholic priests Dennis and Matthew Linn state, “Whatever I vividly relive in my imagination affects me as if I really experienced it.” (2) Lutheran pastor William Vaswig writes: Perhaps the most important thing Agnes Sanford taught me about prayer is that it has to do with the imagination ... I always thought of imagination in somewhat negative terms. I often heard imagination disparaged: “Oh, don’t let your imagination run away with you ...” Genesis 6:5 says that the imagination of man was exceedingly corrupt ...”

NOTE: Warren uses the term “new paradigm” on p.80 of his book, “The Purpose Driven Church.” He states, “This book is written to offer a new paradigm, the purpose driven church, as a biblical and healthy alternative to traditional ways that churches have organised and operated.”

4. Dr. C.Peter Wagner. This man has also been cited as a successful leader by Rick Warren. You have noticed his name above. Who is Wagner and what does he believe? He is the professor of Fuller Theological Seminary, School of World Mission, Pasadena California. He believes in Dominion Theology, Kingdom Now, which is the premise that the Kingdom of God is already here! Wagner’s spiritual warfare book, “Territorial Spirits,” is a compilation of the writing of such people as Paul (David) Yonggi Cho, Larry Lea, Jack Hayford and others who accept the neo-dominionist doctrines. This book is an anti-biblical book which teaches that Christians can dispossess Satan’s angels from their seats of authority over geographical areas. Biblically, these spiritual entities will not be put down until Jesus Christ returns, at the end of the Tribulation period, when Satan himself is bound for a thousand years. Revelation 19-20. Wagner says the Kingdom has come NOW. P.14: “The kingdom has come.”

Wagner is an ecumenist. He does not care what doctrine churches teach, whether they worship Mary, hold the abominable Mass where Christ is supposed to be sacrificed again and again, every time mass is “celebrated”. Wagner is a tool of the Vatican in many ways. P.87, “Territorial Spirits”: “Over many cities a spirit of religion reigns. That’s the spirit that divides brother from brother and says, “‘I’m a Baptist’- of some other denomination - ‘and you’re a Methodist so there’s no fellowship between us.’ Or “I’m a charismatic and you’re a Catholic so there’s no love flowing between us.’ Whatever denominations may be involved, this spirit insists on dividing the church. With the spirit of religion dogma is more important than Jesus. But when we resist this spirit, we must insist that everyone who names the name of Jesus Christ and holds that name as their only hope of salvation is our brother or sister.”

Wagner merges paganism and Christianity in a shocking but subtle manner in “Territorial Spirits.” P.179: “ In this way the Jews resolved the problem of the one and the many. There was only one God, and he was their god for ever. All other spiritual forces, be they good or bad, were ultimately of his creation, under his control and assigned as tutelary DEITIES to other nations. ...The nations which ruled the ancient world were under the supervision of their angel-princes, who in their turn were under the ultimate control of Yahweh, the Lord of heaven and earth...” (Note that pagan ‘gods’ and spirits are seen as under Yahweh, and acknowledged as “tutelary deities”. Emphasis mine).

5. Bill Hybels. Here is another man who is supposed be a successful church leader who has great “Growth” in his congregation. Hybels is of the same brand as Warren. Warren cites Hybels as one of the “successful” churches in America. Hybels is also a man who builds a church on marketing surveys! He has a church congregation of over 12,000 called Willow Creek Community Church (note its title is the same as Saddleback). A description of Hybels’ “church” comes from “Christian News” 7/91, “Commentary: Building a Church on Marketing Surveys” by Dr. Balmer, professo of religion Barnard College/Columbia University. He is the author of “A Perfect Babel of Confusion”:

“South Barrington, ILL. (RNS) The traffic will likely be the first thing to capture your attention during a visit to Willow Creek Community Church. The main entrance to the church is a winding, four-lane driveway that, just before any of the three weekend services looks more like the Santa Monica Freeway at five in the afternoon than a church entrance on Sunday morning.
From the perspective of the traffic controller perched atop the church building, the succession of Cadillacs, Toyotas, pickup trucks and Volvo station wagons resembles a military convoy headed for the front or a regiment of ants marching toward a picnic. The traffic maven barks instructions by radio to a bevy of uniformed traffic guards who guide the automobiles into a huge parking lot demarcated into sections airport style. Welcome to the weekend worship services, one on Saturday evening and, two on Sunday morning at Willow Creek, an evangelical church in South Barrington, Ill. Inside the lobby there are information booths and counters offering audio cassettes for sale. Several men in three-piece suits (conspicuous in this casually dressed crowd) roam the lobby with walkie-talkies and earpieces, their eyes scanning the crowd, looking very much like the Secret Service. The worship service starts on the hour with a crescendo of music from the orchestra. The congregation sings one song. A drama troupe presents a one-act play illustrating the sermon’s theme. Someone gives a few announcements, collects an offering and a preacher struts onstage to deliver a 40-minute sermon. From the beginning to end, the service lasts one hour and 15 minutes, whereupon the congregation files back to the parking lot and heads home. If all this sounds like the product of meticulous planning and execution, make no mistake about itit is. Willow Creek has all the trappings of an efficient corporation, from traffic control to a child-care system during the services, complete with photo identification cards. The church was begun in the mid-1970s by Bill Hybels, a graduate of Trinity College, Deerfield, Ill, who conducted a door-to-door survey in the northwest suburbs of Chicago to find out why people didn’t attend church. He discovered that non-church goers preferred to remain anonymous when they did attend church, that they resented being dunned for money and that they generally found church services boring. Armed with the results of his public-opinion survey, Hybels proceeded to design his own church to appeal to what he calls the “unchurched Harrys” and “unchurched Marys.” Accordingly, Willow Creek spends a great deal of time, money and effort on entertainment. Visitors are never asked to stand and introduce themselves, as they might be in other evangelical churches. The announcements before the offertory explicitly state that visitors need not contribute, that they should consider themselves guests. If numbers are the criterion for determining success, Willow Creek’s formula is overwhelmingly successful. Approximately 12,600 people attend the church’s worship services each weekend.

Despite the casual appearance of the congregation shorts and T-shirts predominate this is the Gospel dressed in pinstripes. Willow Creek Community Church represents ecclesiastical niche marketing at its best. The “management team” (the term the church uses to refer to its senior pastors and administrators) has carefully crafted a program to appeal to the tastes of suburbanites. The church building itself resembles a corporate office park, complete with a pond, a fountain, and a flock of geese. But it has no Christian symbols whatsoever no cross, no icons so as not to frighten or intimidate visitors. The ministers refer to their overall programs as a “product.” The self-help ethic pervades both the sermons and the many support or special-interest groups singles, new mothers, alcoholics, those with sexual addictions. Despite its apparent novelty, however, Willow Creek Community Church lies very much within the tradition of American religion. The free market of religion in the United States demands that churches compete with one another for their audiences. Here in the northwest suburbs of Chicago, that entails appropriating the trappings of corporate America, with its ideals of efficiency and its careful attention to “consumer” tastes. Evangelicals have historically adapted to popular tastes more readily than other religious groups in America. Unconstrained by liturgical rubrics or denominational hierarchies, they have fashioned their message to their audiences, whether it be the Methodist circuit riders on the frontier, the mendicant revivalists around the turn of the century or the televangelists of the 1980s peddling their prosperity gospel to Ronald Reagan’s America. I find the slick, contrived professionalism of Willow Creek discomforting somehow, but that may reflect my uneasiness with corporate culture. For 12,000 upwardly mobile suburbanites, however, the formula works. If success is reckoned in numbers, evangelicals have shown once again that they can package the message to meet the demands of the marketplace.” *

This material has been an excerpt from the Christian News of July, 1991.
via BDM Material (see link above)
Ask yourself, “do I really think this kind of merchandising of men’s souls is what is needed in Australia? Or do we need a genuine move of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Love?”
ROCK MUSIC, should it be in Christian Churches?
Rick Warren insists that there is nothing wrong with using Rock music to attract the unsaved. He insists that there is no Christian music, only Christian lyrics. This is NOT TRUE! Here I will quote from “What’s Wrong With Christian Rock?” by Jeff Godwin, p.p.37-41:

“Rock music has been PROVEN to have a detrimental effect on the adrenalin, sex glands and blood sugar of the human brain. Study after study has shown that Rock music ALWAYS stunts growth and chokes off life.”
(Godwin cites the work “Christian Rock - a Stratagem of Meph-istopheles,” p.27).
“Any ‘Christian’ Rock star/fan who thinks music is neutral should face up to one simple fact: nobody gets hooked on neutral music. Why don’t you do a little experiment? Spend the next 30 days without listening to or playing ANY rock music. (Six months would be better). Try it, Christian Rock fans. You’ll quickly find yourself going through WITHDRAWAL, because Rock music is a drug! Don’t believe it? Go 30 days without it.
Here is some technical information you need:

MELODY. True melodic formula (motive) will combine to create phrases and themes, each individual melody having its own contour of ascending and descending pitches. There will be a definite high place near the conclusion, showing proper resolution. Static movement and lack of balance will create either a hypnotic effect or despair in the listener. Based on these guidelines, Rock ‘music’ has no melody at all.

HARMONY. “All harmony is based on chordal patterns which support the melody subserviently. Chords are based on a very specific keynote, or tonic, and must move through prescribed formulas in the traditional harmonic structure of the major-minor tonal system. The modulation of keys, as charted on the Circle of Fifths, will show great regularity in the relationships of chords, pitches, scales, and tonalities. Excessive consonance and/or dissonance will not be evident.’
Based on these guidelines, Rock ‘music’ has no harmony.

RHYTHM. Rhythm is the orderly movement of music through time.
Constant alternation of triple and duple measures creates a driving syncopation, producing excessive tension. Subtle balance between regular accent patterns and occasional syncopation is necessary to avoid hypnotic effect. (There that nasty word ‘effect’again.) Based on these guidelines, Rock ‘music’s’ rhythm is a combination of unending backbeats and backbeats whose end is to swamp the listener and totally consume them in an intense artificial atmosphere of dominance. This should never be the intent of rhythm.

PITCH. True music has a variety of pitches which are ACCURATE. Very high pitches are used only for contrast and climax points. Rock music is just the opposite. Its constant repetition of pitches almost never modulates, and is slightly UNDER true pitch (as in ‘Blues’). The high pitched screams, both human and electronic, are thrown helter-skelter throughout, the end result being musical chaos.

INTENSITY. True music employs much contrast between loud and soft, with a constant change in the dynamic level. There is always a wide, CONTROLLED variation in qualitative force intensity. Rock ‘music’ has an intensity that is as loud as possible - as long as possible. The dynamic has all the subtlety of a freshly detonated neutron bomb. The end result: ROCK MUSIC IS NOT EVEN MUSIC. Where does this leave ‘Christian’ Rock music? ‘CHRISTIAN’ ROCK MUSIC IS NOT EVEN MUSIC....

Add it all up, and here’s what you’ve got: Christians are trying to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ through a musical medium which doesn’t even exist. Secondly, there is no such thing as ‘Christian’ Rock, for Rock ‘music’ is the exact opposite of everything Jesus Christ stands for.”

(End of quote from Godwin).
This man Rick Warren, who is being lauded and copied by many, many churches in diverse denominations, is NOT a Godly model, nor is his church - although it has a congregation of 10,000. We have seen herein a mere snippet of the book, “The Purpose Driven Church”, and have examined only a sample of the beliefs and techniques of Warren. Yet, it is clear that this man, who may well be sincere enough, is sincerely WRONG! He is leading those who follow his example into dangerous water indeed.

Warren is a neo-evangelical, with all the problems that these “new” churchmen have. He moves in a world where there are many like himself, who have also fallen away as he has from true Christianity, and Godliness. Just a list of what we have gleaned in this short critique should convince the obedient child of God to steer clear of the motivational power-structure and clever instructions of such men. His world is one of slick professionalism, a contrived corporate culture, with a success formula which is as cold and bleak as winter! It “works” maybe, 10,000 bottoms on pews is a lot of merchandise, but is success really measured in numbers? Do evangelicals now have to “package the message to meet the demands of the marketplace.” Who are we Australian Christians, American corporation professionals?

Warren is an ecumenist, who associates with and honours apostate ministries of these latter days. Warren brings the world into the church, embraces even evil Rock music and its hypnotic beat. He does not seek to create a haven for the Christians where they can escape from the world, coming to worship God in a holy atmosphere. No, he aims his church service at the sinners, and invites then to bring their worldly “culture” right into the house of God! Warren replaces as top priority SUCCESS instead of GODLINESS and HOLINESS unto the Lord. Success, GROWTH of congregations takes top billing in his philosophy. Warren is an extremely gifted writer whose rhetoric is so convincing that even the elect could well be deceived. He is a dangerous man! He brings in to congregations a BONDAGE to leaders by his COVENANTS. Causing people to loose their God-given liberty in Christ Jesus, and causing them to disobey God by making signed vows and oaths. Warren subtly leads people away from their main purpose, which is to study, live in, be saturated in the Scriptures through Bible study.

May God lead us all to follow the Word of God more fully, to be holy and separated from the evil world culture, and to have great discernment as we encounter the deceptions of these sad days of decline from faith and standards. God save us all from public-opinion surveys and Laodicean religions, American-style!

“...I will spew thee out of my mouth. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing: and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind and naked:” (Rev. 3:16,17).
Robert Schuller:
(1) Self-Esteem, The New Reformation (Word Books,1982), pp 14-15.
(2)Eternity, Nov.1983, Lloyd Billingsley, “The Gospel According to Schuller,” p.23.
(3) Los Angeles Times,May 29,1983, p.1.
(4) Christianity Today, August 10, 1984, pp.23-24.
(5) Ibid.
(6)Christianity Today, op.cit.

Richard Foster:
(1) Celebration of Discipline, p.36. Pub.Harper and Row.
(2) William L.Vaswig. I Prayed, He Answered pp.59, 88-89.
(3) Celebration of Discipline, pp. 16,22-27,36, 136, 169-70.
(4) Ibid., p.136.
(5) Sanford. The Healing Light. pp.98-113,142-43.

John Wimber:
(1) Signs and Wonders and Church Growth, Introduction (Vineyard Ministries International, 1985).
(2) Dennis Linn, Matthew Linn, Healing Life’s Hurts, Paulist Press, p.98.


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