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Former drummer for Gary Lewis and The Playboys and The Coasters. Tim has also played with Paul Baloche, Lincoln Brewster, Darlene Zscech and Hillsongs, Jeff Fenholt, SteveCamp among others. Tim founded The Simply Agape Project in 2001 to get free Christian music to the troops. Recordings have been made with Tim, and friends Alex Acuna, Abe Laboriel SR, Justo Almario,Steve Camp , Jared Ming and some wonderful Independant Christian artists.The Somebody Brave CD also features words of encouragment to the soldiers from Pastors, Moms, Dads, and Lt Col Brian Birdwell a Pentegon 9/11 survivor Tim is married to Donna Wirth and has four children Alan 25,Steven 23, Brittany 22, Bethany 21. Tim has played in numerous churchs as well as shows on TBN. Tim has also performed on JCTV on the show Generation Worship featuring worship leader Jared Ming. Tim has a book published worldwide titled "Pass The Plate And Let Us Prey" (My Search For Black and White Christianity in a Gray Nation)

Sunday, November 25, 2012

A must see video. You need to take the time to watch this.

Probably the best resource I have ever watched. It focus's on Rick Warren but ties everything together. Seeker sensitive, mega Church, Emergent Church, New Apostolic Reformation everything. Its 2 hours you really need to watch this.

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Con men and women,false teachers fill the Body of Christ with their lie's and false teaching Part Two

The best way to tell the truth from a lie is to of course study the real deal.
These days we do tend to perhaps dwell to much on all the false stuff going around in Christianity instead of dwelling on the truth.
First one needs to understand what the true gospel is before seeking to expose the false.

A few have even taken the absurd position that a born-again person may ultimately turn away from Christ into unbelief, deny God, and become an atheist--yet still possess eternal life. One writer invented a term for such people: "unbelieving believers"!
Scripture is clear that a saved person can never be lost. It is equally clear that a genuine Christian will never fall back into total unbelief. That kind of apostasy proves an individual was never really born again (1 John 2:19).

Furthermore, if a person is genuinely saved, his life will change for the better (2 Corinthians 5:17). He is saved "for good works" (Ephesians 2:10), and there is no way he can fail to bring forth at least some of the fruit that characterizes the redeemed (cf. Matthew 7:17). His desires are transformed; he begins to hate sin and love righteousness. He will not be sinless, but the pattern of his life will be decreasing sin and increasing righteousness.

You need to settle these critical questions in your own heart. Study the gospel Scripture presents. Listen with discernment to every speaker you hear. Measure everything by the Word of God. Above all, make sure that the message you share with unbelievers is truly the gospel of Christ.
The true gospel is found in the following passages Romans 3:23,Romans 6:23,John 3:16,2 Corinthians 5:21,Heb 9:22, Romans 5:8, Acts 17:30 and Acts 16:30-31,John 1:12,and Romans 10:13.
Now people have changed or distorted and added to the gospel for either personal gain or some other reason.
Dan Bohi the the new latest super star currently in the Nazarene denomination which has also at large allowed the Emergent Church and other heresies into what was once known as a holiness denomination. Dan preaches...
 “So the real gospel is the miracle power, the dutumas (Greek word), and the salvation, healing, deliverance, not just being good enough to go to heaven, but be empowered enough to bring heaven to earth.” (end of quote)” This is a false gospel according to what scripture teaches ( “Take Another Drink 1/9″ on the YouTube: ( Minutes 0-2:30) 

The real gospel message is that salvation is by grace through faith (Rom. 6:23), not faith and something you do like baptism or faith and speaking in tongues, or faith and going to a Oneness church, etc.  True salvation is freedom from the requirement of keeping any part of the Law to get or maintain salvation.  True salvation is receiving Christ (John 1:12), being in the body of Christ, and being redeemed by the blood of the Lamb.
 If Dan believes in this gospel he is preaching he himself is not saved. I know this is a hard thought but its about time we started exposing those who are preaching a false gospel possibly helping to add hundreds if not thousands to a eternity in hell.
Now be for I start I want to say Dan Bohi is not the only one who is preaching this false gospel so you can take Dan’s name out and invert many others. My focus here is Dan but there are many others wrapped up in this grievous heresy.
Let me also say that many who follow Dan are perhaps good well meaning Christians who are wrapped up in the deception.Some are perhaps zealous for God and revival and have the very best of intentions.

Paul spoke about this in Romans 10:2 King James Version
For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
One of the bigger problem with some of Dan’s followers is that charismatic teachers like Dan tend to  
draw a almost cult type following. 
Dan is a very large man and in the past I have been cautioned against stating anything about Dan's size. The only real reason I bring it up now is because Dan himself often in his speeches brings it up. Why?
Well Dan uses his size in a self deprecating method and in my opinion I think Dan uses this as a strategy to lower emotions and almost make the audience feel sorry for him. It makes his emotionally 
charged speaking hit home more if his audience is going ahhh.
Dan like many preachers and false teachers like Ken Copeland , Bill Johnson and a host of other false 
teachers also teach that the spiritual gifts taught in 1 Corinthians 13 have not ceased.
Funny thing is that the Pentecostal movement has only been around a little more than 100 years and that any evidence of gifts ceased after the Apostolic age.
We can see this through history but it starts with scripture.
 1 Cor 13:8-10
Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.

Now here lies the big debate does this mean that the gifts ceased at the end of the canon when the bible was finally put together? Or does this mean when Christ returns?
There lies the debate so lets look at history now.
The Pentecostal denomination has only been around for a little over 100 years and they base this on a latter day outpouring of the Holy Spirit as promised in scripture“And it shall be in the last days, God says, that I will pour forth of My Spirit upon all mankind; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams (Acts 2:17).

Clement of Rome claimed this outpouring took place starting in the early churchClement of Rome (died 100?) reminded the Corinthians that "a full outpouring of the Holy Spirit was upon you all." (Clement of Rome, First Epistle to the Corinthians, 2, ANF, I, 5)
Tongues also ceased  here is a very good article that addresses this

So if tongues ceased does that mean that the other spiritual gifts of prophecy, words of knowledge and wisdom would carry on?
No because there was no need . Miracles were not common place in the Old Testament and often were tied to judgement. In the New Testament miracles exploded on the scene to show the world who Jesus and the Apostles were. This was needed because scripture waqs being written and the miracles showed that Jesus and his Apostles and the gospel writers were from God.
I think the assault today is not only on Gods Word but the true ministry of the Holy Spirit. Would the Holy Spirit use His ministry to put His stamp of approval on people like Benny Hinn and Jan and Paul Crouch as well as TBN? Making them filthy rich as they take money from biblically ignorant masses?
No of course not.
The book of Jude also states 

Jude 1:3

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Contend for the Faith

Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.

Does God still speak to us today through His voice like He once did to the writers of the Bible?
I once heard a person state that they knew the difference between God talking to them and their own human intuition.
Really? You know that for sure. You may think you know that for sure and even though God would never contradict His word its the Holy Spirits ministry to lead us into all truth. Here is a very good sermon on that

So instead of letting your own(even your own well meaning passion and love for God) let you tell you the voices in your head are God. Why not just trust in Gods Word.
Everything is already there to lead you into all truth.
Here is what a pastor stated about Dan Bohi. "

Over a year ago while I was in prayer I heard God say invite Dan Bohi or actually what I heard was "It's time for Dan to come."  I didn't hesitate to invite him after witnessing the impact of Dan's ministry personally in different parts of the country and then after having him come to my church for revival in years past. 

Lets examine that statement. First the pastor was not sure exactly what God said because his statement conflicts what was said (2 different commands). And the pastor also stated he invited Dan after seeing what Dan did around the country. If that was what God truly why did the pastor need proof of what Dan was doing? Wouldn't God have already been aware of Dans ministry if He was truly in it.
Im just using Dan as an example here. This happens all over the world with other false teachers like Ken Copeland, Benny Hinn and many others from the TBN gang.
Scripture does state that 

Revelation 22:18-19

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A Warning

18 For[a] I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add[b] to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away[c] his part from the Book[d] of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
God did not give us 20-30 blank pages at the end of the Bible to put what God spoke to us. And when God speaks its always revelation. That makes it equal to what is written in scripture. If it is not equal to scripture it is substandard revelation. And God does not utter sub standard revelation. It may be nice and comforting to think that God is personally speaking to us in audible tones. But the fact is God can speak to us everyday through Hid Word if you read it. Trust in the Holy Spirit to bring you what you need.

On healing some would say well God healed me.
Well as much as we should thank God for healing in our lives (and Im 6 years cancer free). It just means God is not finished with us on this earth yet so He allows our lives to be extended.
Yes thank Him everyday you wake up breathing air.
And then go out and share the true gospel of Jesus Christ with a lost and dying world.

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Con men and women,false teachers fill the Body of Christ with their lies and false teaching Part One

The groups I am part of as well as many emails I get as well as others who are leaders in these groups often ask where to find a good church because they left their last church because of heresy and false teaching. Thats a really good question. And if you turn on the television and radio these days you can plainly see that heresy and false teaching fill the pulpits today. I would say a fair guess is that out of the most popular book sales and popular television shows 98% of them preach and promote heresy.
This article is not going to be about finding a good church. In this rapid falling away from Christianity I would hesitate to suggest a church because you could not be sure that what they would be teaching in a month would be solid biblically based Christianity.
Most people would agree with the fact that we are probably in the endtimes that would soon bring the return of Christ.
Before that happens a antichrist (a person) will show up proclaiming he is Jesus himself.
How do I know this?
Scripture teaches that. 

2 Thessalonians 2:3-17

New King James Version (NKJV)
Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin[a]is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God[b] in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He[c] who now restrains will do so until He[d] is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

It has come to the time in history where unsaved men and women who  proclaim to be Christian are filling the pulpits and deceiving many.

In Matt 24:24 it states-
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; so that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Dave Hunt and TA MaMahon of the Berean Call makes these comments

You mean, could a believer be a false prophet?  False Christ?  No.  I don’t think so.  I think…
Or could they be deceived by false prophets?
I think a true believer could be deceived.  But, what I think it means is, and as this writer indicates, not permanently.  In other words, you might deceive a person for a moment, but I believe that if they stick with the Word and follow the leading of the Holy Spirit, they are not going to be deceived for long.  It says, “so much that if it were possible even the elect would be deceived.”  Therefore, I don’t think it is possible, ultimately, to deceive the elect. 
Dave, we’ve been talking about the deception and delusion for months now just going through your book Beyond Seduction.  And, there’s so much more that’s happened since then, that seems to indicate that people have been drawn off to these false teachings and false ideas.  Maybe not false Christs, per se, but certainly anti-biblical or issues that are contrary to the Word of God.
Well, Jesus makes it very serious here.  And, as you know, He mentions this three times. And, this is in response to the question from the disciples, “what will be the sign of your coming and of these things?”  You know, the destruction of the temple and of the end of the world.  I think He’s talking about the nearness of His return and the very first thing, it has a list of a number of things, wars, rumors of wars, earthquakes, pestilence, famine, etc., ethnic group rising against ethnic group, which certainly is true today.  But, they come later.  The very first thing He says is, “before, or take heed, that no one deceive you.”  And, then three times He repeats it about false Christs and false prophets, warning that this is going to happen.  And, I think that we live in that day.  No doubt about it.  And, He warns, in Matthew 7, well He says, “many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name?  In your name we cast out devils.  In your name we did miracles.”  He says, “I will say, I never knew you.”  So, they were never Christians.  And, yet, apparently they passed for Christian leaders who were seemingly doing signs and wonders.  And, you know that’s big emphasis today.  Signs and wonders.  And, then Paul uses the same language in II Timothy 3:8.  He says, “As Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.”  So, he is warning us again, and in fact he begins that chapter, chapter three, “in the last days dangerous times shall come,” and it talks about loving ourselves, etc.  So, I think that this is a very serious warning from the Lord.  We have to heed it.  And, are there false prophets out there?  Definitely there are.  And I think in relation to this, Acts 20, where Paul tells the elders at Ephesus, “that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.”  So, Paul took this so seriously that he’s warning them, he is weeping.  I often say to people, not often, but when I’m on the subject, I say, “look, some people accuse me of being a fanatic, just pounding away on error, warning about error, warning about apostasy, I haven’t even begun to be concerned compared with Paul.”  He wept and warned day and night for three solid years. 
Dave, there was no Christian television, no Christian radio, no Christian media, and the reason I’m bringing that up is because we’re inundated by all these false ideas through these different media.  Yet, Paul, you know, he wasn’t dealing with any of those.
But, he was very serious and very concerned, and perhaps then my level of concern ought to rise.  The level of concern of people out there ought to rise.  He writes to the Corinthians, you know, that he’s concerned, lest as Satan deceived Eve they should be led astray and embrace another Jesus instead of the real Jesus.  Tom, it’s happening in the church, and I think we should be concerned.  We need to pray about it and we need to stand against the error and stand for truth and rescue as many as we can.end comment
So how can we tell if its God speaking to us?
The only real way is to search what is being said with God's word.
Thats hard to do in an ever-growing world that teaches the Bible is full of error.
What parts do we believe are true?
Only those that deal with salvation?
Well for one scripture teaches that it is true.
For we did not follow cleverly devised tales when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty (2 Peter 1:16).

  2. If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came; and the Scripture cannot be broken (John 10:35).
    What does Jesus mean when He says that the Scripture cannot be broken? It is a reference to its continuing truth. There will never come a time when we say, "Ooops, the Bible really said the wrong thing when it came to that passage." Notice that He says this with reference to what could have been considered a problem passage to the Jews (Psalm 82:6). The point is that even such problem passages show no cracks in the trustworthiness of the Bible, but rather are only indicative of our own lack of understanding.

      But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. 14 He shall glorify Me; for He shall take of Mine, and shall disclose it to you. (John 16:13-14).
      With these words, Jesus promises that He would send the Holy Spirit who would direct the apostles in the communicating of God's new covenant teaching.

      Hopefully I do not need to convince you that Gods Word is true and without error. If I need to do that please don't read any further.
      And even when I write something you need to check it against God's Word. If what I write does not agree with God's Word I would encourage you to be a good Berean and reject it. But check it against Gods Word to your own intuition or something you think God is speaking in your ear since God no longer speaks to us today outside of scripture.

      This sets the article up.
      So can we tell if its an unsaved person preaching to us or just a conman or woman?
      I would say its not difficult to tell if a person is saved or unsaved.
      Scripture teaches that

      Matthew 7:15-16

      New King James Version (NKJV)

      You Will Know Them by Their Fruits

      15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
      Many claim and attribute demonic activity to the work of the Holy Spirit. They did this with Brownsville, Pensacola and Toronto supposed blessings. 
      This is the unpardonable sin against the Holy Spirit as noted in scripture in
      Matt. 12:22-32 says, "Then there was brought to Him a demon-possessed man who was blind and dumb, and He healed him, so that the dumb man spoke and saw. 23And all the multitudes were amazed, and began to say, "This man cannot be the Son of David, can he?" 24But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, "This man casts out demons only by Beelzebub the ruler of the demons." 25And knowing their thoughts He said to them, "Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself shall not stand. 26"And if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then shall his kingdom stand? 27"And if I by Beelzebub cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? Consequently they shall be your judges. 28"But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. 29"Or how can anyone enter the strong man's house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. 30"He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me scatters. 31"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.32"And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come,"
      If you attribute the works of satan to that of the Holy Spirit you are treading on very bad ground to say the least.

      No. A believer cannot commit the unforgivable sin. How can someone who has been born again (John 3:7), made a new creation (2 Cor. 5:17), and received eternal life (John 10:27-28) actually commit the unforgivable sin? He cannot. Jesus Himself said that we have eternal life, not conditional life: "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish; and no one shall snatch them out of My hand" (John 10:27-28). Besides, it says in 2 Cor. 5:17 that the Christian is a new creation in Christ. We are different, no longer slaves to the old nature (Rom. 6:14). We are regenerated by the Holy Spirit.
      There is no biblical support for a believer committing this sin. It just hasn't happened. Also, if you are worried that you may have committed the sin and can't be forgiven, then don't be concerned. If you are worrying about it, then you haven't committed it. If you are worried about it, then that is a sign that you have not committed it. If you had, you wouldn't be concerned.
      If a man or woman preaches a false gospel you would think that they themselves believe what they preach.
      If they believe in their own false gospel they are not saved.
      So in the next article we will see what the true gospel is and what some of the false gospels are today as well as do the spiritual gifts of tongues and prophecy as well as words of wisdom and knowledge still exist today/
      People claim to that God is still speaking to them today and they know the difference.
      How can you be 100% sure it is God speaking in your ear.
      We will explore all this in the next article.

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