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Former drummer for Gary Lewis and The Playboys and The Coasters. Tim has also played with Paul Baloche, Lincoln Brewster, Darlene Zscech and Hillsongs, Jeff Fenholt, SteveCamp among others. Tim founded The Simply Agape Project in 2001 to get free Christian music to the troops. Recordings have been made with Tim, and friends Alex Acuna, Abe Laboriel SR, Justo Almario,Steve Camp , Jared Ming and some wonderful Independant Christian artists.The Somebody Brave CD also features words of encouragment to the soldiers from Pastors, Moms, Dads, and Lt Col Brian Birdwell a Pentegon 9/11 survivor Tim is married to Donna Wirth and has four children Alan 25,Steven 23, Brittany 22, Bethany 21. Tim has played in numerous churchs as well as shows on TBN. Tim has also performed on JCTV on the show Generation Worship featuring worship leader Jared Ming. Tim has a book published worldwide titled "Pass The Plate And Let Us Prey" (My Search For Black and White Christianity in a Gray Nation)

Thursday, June 28, 2007

New article from Herescope

I am currently writing my review for Evan Almighty and Hollywood and Christianity.
Here is a new article from my brothers and sister in the Lord at Herescope.

The "7-M Mandate"

"Our theological bedrock is what has been known as Dominion Theology. This means that our divine mandate is to do whatever is necessary, by the power of the Holy Spirit, to retake the dominion of God's creation which Adam forfeited to Satan in the Garden of Eden. It is nothing less than seeing God's kingdom coming and His will being done here on earth as it is in heaven."
--C. Peter Wagner, letter, May 31, 2007, red added.

C. Peter Wagner is writing a book with the title of Dominion! It appears that everything he has been working on will be culminating in his forthcoming book. For several decades he has been the architect of many new heresies which have been widely disseminated and infused throughout the global mission movement, leadership training, and charismatic mass media.

Bluntly stated, Wagner describes this dominionism:

"Our goal, in a word, is transformation. The first stage in this goal is personal transformation because each saint must be prepared to do his or her part in the process of taking dominion. . . .

"Our assignment. . . is to help as many people as possible move their primary focus from self or church to kingdom.

"Which leads us to the second stage of the goal of transformation, namely corporate or social transformation. We want to see whole cities and regions and states and nations transformed to support the values of the kingdom of God."

There is a new motif for describing the transformation, which Wagner has borrowed from Lance Wallnau, who once had his own apostolic network but is now a member of Wagner's International Coalition of Apostles. Rather than use the term spheres for describing the elements of society which must be transformed by dominionism, these men are now using the term mountains. Wagner writes:

"In my view it is not possible to get an operational handle on how to initiate corporate action toward social transformation without taking into account the seven mountains or what I like to call 'molders of culture.' The seven are religion, family, business, arts & entertainment, government, education, and media."

These "spheres," now renamed "mountains," which focus dominionism's activities into different arenas of society, are based on the teachings of Abraham Kuyper and his theory of "sphere sovereignty." This influenced the Coalition on Revival's dominionist "sphere documents" produced during the 1980s. Some of these "spheres," and the corresponding dominionist plans for a revolution of society, are described in Al Dager's book Vengeance Is Ours: The Church in Dominion (Sword, 1990). Kuyper's theologies undergird the "worldview" movement, which is promulgated by the political dominionists and Reconstructionists.

In a recent action related to dominionism, C. Peter Wagner posted his new Global Apostolic Network online. Here one can see his downline network structure, which accounts in part for his widespread influence in the church. This global conglomerate will facilitate the further dissemination of the revolutionary doctrines of dominionism.

The Truth:

"Shall they therefore empty their net, and not spare continually to slay the nations?" (Habakkuk 1:17)

Tuesday, June 19, 2007

Please spread the word on this one

If you have a child in either a public or private school, please contact the school immediately and find out if your child is being introduced to any type of meditation exercise (this includes lectio divina and breath prayers). Tell the school you do not want your child participating in any of these activities. This would include Rob Bell's popular Nooma films and his book Velvet Elvis, which are both being used in Christian junior high and high schools.

The following June 16th news story from The New York Times illustrates how serious this matter is. The New Age is overtaking our society. Children are the newest target! This is not only affecting children in public schools. Through the contemplative prayer movement (i.e., spiritual formation) and the emerging church, children and teens in Christian schools are also being introduced to meditation. A whole generation is being taught how to enter dangerous demonic realms through practicing mantra meditation!

See our links below for more information on children and meditation.

The New York Times

"Focus on Quieting the Mind"
by Patricia Leigh Brown
OAKLAND, Calif., June 12 - The lesson began with the striking of a Tibetan singing bowl to induce mindful awareness.

With the sound of their new school bell, the fifth graders at Piedmont Avenue Elementary School here closed their eyes and focused on their breathing, as they tried to imagine "loving kindness" on the playground.

"I was losing at baseball and I was about to throw a bat," Alex Menton, 11, reported to his classmates the next day. "The mindfulness really helped."

As summer looms, students at dozens of schools across the country are trying hard to be in the present moment. This is what is known as mindfulness training, in which stress-reducing techniques drawn from Buddhist meditation are wedged between reading and spelling tests. Click here to read the rest of this news article.

Related Research:

Focus on the Family's Adventures in Odyssey - Promoting Contemplative?

Yoga for children (in public school, that is)

Christianity Today: Contemplative for Children

Jesus Camp, Film Reveals the Mystical and the Militant, Not Biblical Christianity

NOTICE TO PARENTS: Christian Schools Introducing Teens to Mysticism Proponent

Ancient Wisdom for Babies

For more information on how the New Age is coming into schools, read For Many Shall Come in My Name. If you know a school administrator or teacher that would be willing to read this book, contact us, and we will send him or her a free copy.

From the Editors at Lighthouse Trails Research Project

A Fathers Day Suprise at Cedar Point-by Tim Wirth

Last Sunday my wife, kids and myself headed for Cedar Point here in Ohio the land of roller coasters.
We also spent the day prior at Kalahari a property that contains its own water park.
I hadn't got to spend a Fathers Day with my children the last three years because I had been out in California on those dates recording free Christian music for the troops.
The day at Kalahari was fun filled and we had a really nice time at the park as well as some good time in our room just talking.
One surprise came the next day when we showed up at Cedar Point.
The surprise however was not the new roller coaster Maverick with its new roller coaster horseshoe roll.
No the surprise was that it was Gay Day at Cedar Point.
The homosexuals have now made Fathers Day at Cedar Point their own little day.
I kicked myself for not doing research on this before I went.
I am usually very cautious in my travels and do a lot of research before I even get in my car.
But Cedar Point?
Gay Day?
Who knew.
The lesson learned is I will be more careful in my travels in the future.
Most of all with my kids.
Am I trying to avoid homosexuals and not share Christ with them?
Of course not you would have to buy a private island these days to avoid that.

I am however sick and tired of gays and their shock in your face accept me or else attitude.
And in some situations they are simply disgusting.
Twice I had to very firmly remind a couple guys and gals that I had young kids with me and to knock off the language.
I would do the same for any heterosexual person as well.
My daughter also had to remind a couple guys of their language as well.
Security was high that day and you could see the guards were not going to tolerate bad behavior from anyone.
Does Cedar Point endorse this day officially?
I don't think Disney officially endorses their gay day as well.
Not at this point in time.
Because at this point in time homosexuality is still not family friendly.
Even though gay people would try to convince you different.
So whats this all about why does Disney, Cedar Point and other places now cater to the gay crowd.
Its all about the money folks.
These places (no matter how much fun or fond memories of them) are in the business of making money.
Not just entertainment.
As much as I have good memories of watching Walt on the floor of my grandmas floor on Sundays, I never remember Disney proclaiming his love and salvation in Christ.
These places were originally built I believe to give families a chance to have fun together.
Families in America have changed.
Our enemy satan has seen to that through, divorce, adultery and homosexuality.
Do I hate homosexuals?
No not a chance.
I do hate some of their attitudes but they need a Savior the same way I did.
Gays biggest danger is not me but their attitude that their behavior is not sin.
That's a very rebellious and scary place to be.
And now some even have their own Christian (in name only) churches.
How do you witness to someone like that?
Again its a very scary place to be when you think sin is no longer sin.
What defines sin?
Certainly not me.
Only Gods Word in scripture can make that call.
And Gods Word condemns homosexuality-not just lust (as gays try to spin it).

The lessons I learned from Cedar Point was this.
Never go to Cedar Point on Fathers Day.
That's a given.
But it also gave me a chance to talk to kids about the shape our country is in and how we need to pray for homosexuals so God would open their eyes to their sin.
I also saw my own sin and thanked Jesus for dying on the cross for me in order to pay for my sins.

Will I protest Cedar Point, Disney , Walmart for the pass they give to gays?
No because I never expect the world to be like the church.
And I
Even though America was more moral at one point in history.

In conclusion I turned towards the scriptures at the end of the day an found this.
1 Timothy 6:10
"For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

One could say that this verse points to Cedar Point and Disney.

But I choose to look in the mirror and evaluate how much money I have spent on entertainment.
Lets look at the verses before and after that one

1 Timothy 6:8-9
"And having food and clothing, with these we shall be content.But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition."

I have to confess I have no desire to be rich but I have fallen into foolish lusts for entertainment at times.

Then lets look at the verse after the money verse.

1 Timothy 6:11-12
"But you, O man of God, flee these things and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, gentleness.
Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses."

So the big surprise on Fathers Day was not being surrounded by the ungodly who God will surely judge.
But instead God had me look in the mirror at myself a sinner saved by grace who has a lot more to learn in this time on earth.

I will also pray for the Soddom and Gommorah we are smack dab in the middle of.

From Lighthouse Trails-

Hitting the Road on a Mission of Misplaced Faith

"A lot of people see Jesus as just for Christians but I keep discovering that his teachings are really about what it means to be human." - Rob Bell, Manchester Evening News (June 15, 2007)

According to a news report from Manchester Evening News (Britain), emergent leader Rob Bell is "setting out on an ambitious theatre tour of Britain with his message, Calling All Peacemakers." As do most emergents, Bell believes in a universal/interfaith religion where all one has to do is add Jesus to their own religion - it isn't necessary to become a Christian and identify with the body of Christ. One can remain a Hindu, continue practicing Hindu rituals but just say they like Jesus the best. This is what we call the new missiology, and its evangelists include Rick Warren, Brian McLaren, and many other emerging church proponents.

Mike Oppenheimer of Let Us Reason ministries has done extensive research and analysis on the new missiology. In his article, "A New Evangelism for the 21st Century," Oppenheimer states:

Can a Christian now call himself a Muslim? The word Muslim is made up of two words, Islam and Mu. Muslim does not just mean submission; it means submission to the God Allah; not the Lord Jesus Christ or Yahweh. Can a Muslim be called a Christian and walk with Allah? This seems to make no doctrinal or practical sense, unless they change the names and the meaning. This only brings confusion. Why do this when you can introduce Yahweh as the true God without any baggage and shuffling around in names, nature or descriptions? The answer is that you may not see the same results. This is what this is all about isn't it, results; pragmatism, the end justifies the means.

In a book by Oppenheimer and Sandy Simpson titled Idolatry in Their Hearts, they show how widespread this new missiology has become. Listen to some of the comments made by a few new missiology evangelists:

New Light embodiment means to be "in connection" and "information" with other faiths.... One can be a faithful disciple of Jesus Christ without denying the flickers of the sacred in followers of Yahweh, or Kali, or Krishna."-Leonard Sweet

I happen to know people who are followers of Christ in other religions.-Rick Warren

I see no contradiction between Buddhism and Christianity. . . . I intend to become as good a Buddhist as I can.-Thomas Merton

Allah is not another God...we worship the same God.-- The same God! The very same God we worship in Christ is the God the Jews-and the Muslims-worship.-Peter Kreeft

Oppenheimer and Simpson ask the question, "Can one be a Hindu or a Muslim and follow Jesus?" They explain why the answer is no:

One cannot be in relationship with Jesus within the confines of a false religion. One must leave his or her religion to follow Jesus, not just add Him on....

This broadens Jesus' statement of the road being narrow into a wide, all encompassing concept. What is concerning is that these same kinds of statements are also made by those who are New Agers that hold a universal view. Alice Bailey said, "I would point out that when I use the phrase 'followers of the Christ' I refer to all those who love their fellowmen, irrespective of creed or religion." (Idolatry in Their Hearts, Oppenheimer/Simpson - 2007)

In an article titled "Will the Next Billy Graham Be a Mystic?" we can see where Rob Bell's spiritual persuasions lie. He admits that he is influenced by Sister Virginia, a Dominican sister from a spirituality center that practices the occultic-based Reiki. This helps to explain why Bell stated: "We're rediscovering Christianity as an Eastern religion, as a way of life."1

The Manchester Evening News article title reads: Hitting the road on a mission of true faith." But is this true faith? Jesus Christ was referring to "true faith" when He said "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat." As a world that has rejected Christ races quickly toward destruction and so many are lost in spiritual darkness, as believers (calling ourselves Christians), let us not grow weary and turn away from "true faith" that offers light (The Light of the World) to lost sinners.

More from Lighthouse Trails "Emerging Church Comes Out Of The Closet"

EMERGENT MANIFESTO: Emerging Church Comes Out of the Closet

Source: Lighthouse Trails

Emergent Manifesto of Hope is the new release from Emersion, a publishing partnership between Baker Books and Emergent Village. The book, edited and compiled by emergent leaders Tony Jones and Doug Pagitt, is a collection of essays by various emerging church leaders. Pagitt says the book "provides a rare glimpse inside the emerging church." This "rare glimpse" actually lays out the agenda of the movement, and in essence Emergent Manifesto is the emerging church's coming out of the closet tribute.

The back cover of Emergent Manifesto describes it as a "front-row" look at this "influential international movement" and promises readers that they will come away with "a deeper understanding of the hopeful imagination that drives the emerging church." Readers are also told that they will "appreciate the beauty of a conversation that is continually being formed." However, the book fails to deliver any "beauty."

A more accurate title for this book would be Emergent Manifesto of False Hope, and a subtitle (albeit a lengthy one) that would describe it perfectly would go something like this:

The Kingdom of God is already here on earth, includes all people, all faiths, and in fact is in all people and all of creation and can be felt or realized through mysticism which connects everything together as ONE.
This new collective spirituality leads people into a socialistic community where rituals, practices, and social justice become a means of salvation, but not the salvation you think of in a personal sense of being born-again through Jesus Christ. This is a collective salvation 1 that includes whole cultures and communities who follow the way of someone referred to as Jesus.

Tony Jones lays the ground work for the book by referring to the "highest good" (for humanity) and explains that when Emergent began (in 1998) the group was "engaging in some sort of 'socially established cooperative human activity'"(p. 14). "Cooperative" is a theme that runs through the book. Doug Pagitt says Emergent is a "call to friendship ... with the world" and this "friendship" is a "dangerous leap" in which many ways have been created to connect (p. 19). Throughout the book, these ways to connect become quite obvious. While often called other terms in the book, the concepts behind them are interspirituality (all religions coming together), panentheism (God is all creation), universalism (all are saved), and mysticism (the means by which this connecting takes place).

In this "sense of interconnection," the book states:
[R]enewed popularity of the "kingdom" language is related to the emerging global narrative of the deep ecology movement - a consciousness and awareness that everything matters and is somehow interdependent (p. 27).
New Age sympathizer, Leonard Sweet (in his book Quantum Spirituality) calls this the Theory of Everything. This theory not only says that all creation is connected but that it is all inhabited with Divinity (God).

The Manifesto describes "themes" of "integrative theology" as: Interest in monastic practices, contemplative and bodily spiritual formation disciplines, celebrating earth, humanity, cultures, and the sensuous (p. 28). In a chapter titled "Meeting Jesus at Bars" the Manifesto favorably includes visiting monasteries, practicing yoga, engaging in silent retreats, and chanting with monks (p. 38). One writer in the book has this to say:
"I am a Christian today because of a Hindu meditation master. She taught me some things that Christians had not. She taught me to meditate, to sit in silence and openness in the presence of God.... I believe that all people are children of God." (p.45)
While the book does list praying and reading Scripture as one of the practices to engage in, it offers a disclaimer that this is not what is most spiritually nourishing but rather "our relationship with others give us the most insight into who God is and where God is leading us" (p. 38). And this is really the essence of the book. Harmless, some may say. No, anything but. The Emergent Manifesto belittles personal, one on one relationship with the Lord and insists that it is a collective salvation that really matters. The goal of this cooperative movement is to participate in "the healing of our world" and to "collaborate with our Maker in the fulfillment of God's reign on Earth" (p. 30).

The Manifesto makes clear that followers of this new, collective religion should not be concerned about saving "people from the jaws of hell," but should rather be "motivated ... to be in relationship with people who in many ways are different" (p. 35). The focus should not be on conversion as much as "cultivation of relationships." The lofty language used in the Manifesto, reminiscent of legal or medical language, makes the writers seem highly intellectual but the reading difficult to comprehend. However, while the language in the book is often obscure and metaphorical, the ideologies are evident. To describe interspirituality, the book says:
"If the Emergent conversation is to have a 'next chapter,' it will need to learn from other sketches outside of Western Christendom" (p. 68). Translation: incorporate the belief systems of other religions.
Or this one:
[T]he environment that Emergent seeks to create - a studio for sketching, a place of freedom and divergence ... [Emergent Village] is more committed to equipping any and all for the process of emergence (p. 70).
Manifesto talks significantly about those who refuse to change and bend with this "process of emergence." Pagitt states:
While immovability may be a fine role for religion, it may not serve the story of God's action in the world very well ... I don't think it is possible to tell the story of faith from the posture of sameness and stability .... Ours is a story of the expanding life of God generating new creation ... of collective faith. (pp. 75-76)
When Pagitt speaks of "expanding life of God" and "new creation," he means that we cannot contain truth or reality within the confines of the written Word of God but that truth is always changing and being created.

Universalism is a pronounced theme in the book as well. Manifesto calls salvation "a collective experience." A Manifesto poem illustrates this:

Not only soul, whole body!
Not only whole body, all of the faithful community!
Not only all of the faithful community, all of humanity!
Not only all of humanity, all of God's creation!(pp. 82-83)

And panentheism (God is in all) is exhibited through statements like the following, which talks about the "holiness of humanity":

"[W]e are agents for change in the world (salvation, redemption, and reconciliation ... it is a celebration of the holiness of humanity in which the fullness of God was pleased to dwell ... it is our holy fleshiness" (p. 88).

What do the emerging church leaders hope to accomplish? Well, they tell us. They want you ... they want the church to join up with them. Listen to this explanation:
"The existing church/emerging church matrix can dissolve into missional collaboration and generative friendship" (p. 107).
And hearing that, we must ask, Is that what Josh McDowell is doing by endorsing Dan Kimball's book, They Like Jesus But Not the Church,2 and is that what David Jeremiah is doing by consistently promoting Erwin McManus?3 Are Christian leaders helping to bring about this dream of the emerging church by dissolving into it? Unfortunately, the answer to that seems to be yes. But how can we as believers follow them into this dark abyss?

In regard to biblical descriptions of last days apostasy, how does the Manifesto relate? It doesn't. In speaking of the days that the Book of Revelation describes, the Manifesto states:
[F]olks who hang around the emerging church tend to see goodness and light in God's future, not darkness and gnashing of teeth ... [some] take the view that we're in a downward spiral, and when things "down here" become bad enough, Jesus will return in glory.... We're caught in the tractor beam of redemption and re-creation, and there's no sense fighting it, so we might as well cooperate" (p. 130).
There is another underlying theme that is permeating the pages of this book and many of the other emerging church books in print, including Dan Kimball's. There is a continual hammering away and chiseling down of the image of Christians (the kind who take the Bible literally and stand by its authority). This effort to villainize Christians is reminiscent of Germany in the 30s when artists would draw distorted pictures of Jews with certain facial features making them look weird, and when rumors and stories would run amuck even suggesting that Jews would rape your daughters, so don't trust them. This all out effort to get society to hate and mistrust the Jews worked. It was a campaign, not based on fact, but based on a demonic kingdom that hates anything that has to do with Jesus Christ. In the Manifesto, Brian McLaren boils down the world's evils to the fault of Western Christians and suggests that these resisting Christians might even become militant against people one day. (Hitler was able to persuade people that the Jews were a threat so they better take them out before the Jews got them.) McLaren states:
What are we in the so-called emerging churches seeking to emerge from? I asked myself. We are seeking to emerge from modern Western Christianity, from colonial Christianity, from Christianity as a "white man's religion ... into a faith of collaborative mission ... It is immediately clear that this kind of emergence must lead to a convergence -- in the West, across denominations and across current polarizations, a convergence of postconservatives and postliberals into what Hans Frei and Stanley Grenz termed a new "generous orthodoxy." (p. 150)

[M]any will react and oppose this emergence, seeking to maintain the hegemony of the West ... perhaps even seeking a revival of crusading Christendom. (151)
In Ray Yungen's upcoming book, For Many Shall Come in My Name, he discusses this very thing and shows how New Age leaders have been framing a social mindset that will eventually become hostile to Bible believing Christians. Yungen explains how it will all be justified as doing humanity a favor by getting rid of them, and when he quotes the words of New Ager Neale Donald Walsch as saying that God believes Hitler did the Jews a favor by killing them, it sends chills up the spine. And whether they realize what they are doing or not, Dan Kimball, Brian McLaren and other emergent leaders are framing a similar mindset for people to climb into.

While it is sad to think about persecution that may be coming upon believers, it is even more tragic to realize how many unsaved people will never hear the gospel because so many Christian leaders have given the emerging church a thumbs up. The publishers and editors at Baker Books should be ashamed of themselves for exalting such anti-Christ teachings or at the very least stop calling themselves a Christian publisher.

For those who are still skeptical about the Emergent Manifesto's message, pick up a copy sometime of Alice Bailey's The Externalization of the Hierarchy, or Al Gore's Earth in the Balance. And when you read those words by those "change agents" see if you notice that the message is the same, just dressed in a different outfit called Emergent.

Emergent Manifesto does indeed "provide a rare glimpse," but not one of hope. Rather it is a look into the near future of a world that is racing toward spiritual destruction through severe deception as the Bible predicts when it says that Satan will deceive the whole world in the days prior to Christ's return (Revelation 12:9).

From Lighthouse Trails

New article from my brothers and sisters in the Lord at Lighthouse Trails.

"I'm not talking about a religion this morning. You may be Catholic or Protestant or Buddhist or Baptist or Muslim or Mormon or Jewish - or you may have no religion at all. I'm not interested in your religious background. Because God did not create the universe for us to have religion."-Rick Warren, 2005, United Nations interfaith prayer breakfast"

The June 17th headline in the Seattle Times newspaper reads, "I Am Both Muslim and Christian." Janet Tu, religion reporter for the Times has written the piece on an Episcopal priest named Ann Holmes Redding. Redding has been a priest for more than 20 years, and she became Muslim 15 months ago. The article is her coming-out-of-the-closet debut. Redding explains: "I am both Muslim and Christian, just like I'm both an American of African descent and a woman. I'm 100 percent both."

Interestingly, the article quotes Kurt Fredrickson, director of the doctor of ministry program at the pro-contemplative/emerging Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, Calif. Of Redding's choosing to be both Muslim and Christian, Fredrickson seems to be opposed to Redding's decision and states, "The most basic [question] would be: What do you do with Jesus?"

But there is a twist to this story, and obviously, it's one the Seattle Times didn't include in their own report. While Fuller Theological Seminary and probably most evangelical institutions would say you can't be both Muslim and Christian, in truth they are saying the opposite every day. How you ask? Simply by promoting contemplative and/or the emerging church, which countless Christian organizations, ministries, schools and churches do now. One thing is important to understand -- If there is a promotion of contemplative (i.e., spiritual formation), then there is a promotion for emerging spirituality (the belief system of the emerging church). That is because the premise of contemplative is the premise of emerging, and both end up in the same camp - interspirituality of which Redding is a perfect example.

Some may be thinking right now, the emerging church proponents may be practicing mystical exercises but they would never agree with Redding that you can be both Muslim and Christian. And here is the essence of our report: They do agree with Redding! Even Rick Warren agrees with Redding in a round about way. And here is how we can say this:

When Rick Warren told an interfaith audience at the 2005 UN Prayer Breakfast that God didn't care what religion they were, they just needed to add Jesus to their lives, what he meant was that you can stay Hindu, or Buddhist, or Muslim, but you need Jesus. It's called the New Missiology. It promotes the following ideas:

1. You can keep your own religion - Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, Mormonism - you just need to add Jesus to the equation. Then you become complete. You become a Buddhist with Jesus, a Hindu with Jesus, a Muslim with Jesus and so on.

2. You can throw out the term Christianity and still be a follower of Jesus.

3. In fact, you can throw out the term Christian too. In some countries, you could be persecuted for calling yourself a Christian, and there is no need for that. Just ask Jesus into your heart, you don't have to identify yourself as a Christian.

Rick Warren isn't the only one promoting the new missiology. In fact, momentum is growing daily, and new missiology evangelists are increasing by number steadily. While Don Miller, author of the very popular, Blue Like Jazz says, "the beginning of sharing my faith with people began by throwing out Christianity" (p. 115), and Brian McLaren says "It may be advisable in many (not all!) circumstances to help people become followers of Jesus and remain within their Buddhist, Hindu, or Jewish contexts," Baker Books' new release, An Emergent Manifesto of Hope takes the belief to astounding new heights (see our book review).

In the Manifesto, under the chapter "The Sweet Problem of Inclusiveness," the following statements are made. These are all in context and from the same author, Muslim raised Samir Selmanovic who later served as a Seventh Day Adventist pastor and now is part of Emergent Village. Selmanovic states:

"Christianity's idea that other religions cannot be God's carriers of grace and truth casts a large shadow over our Christian experience" (p. 191).

"The emerging church movement has come to believe that the ultimate context of the spiritual aspirations of a follower of Jesus Christ is not Christianity but rather the kingdom of God" (p. 192).

"To believe that God is limited to it [Christianity] would be an attempt to manage God. If one holds that Christ is confined to Christianity, one has chosen a god that is not sovereign. Soren Kierkegaard argued that the moment one decides to become a Christian, one is liable to idolatry" (p. 193).

"Is our religion the only one that understands the true meaning of life? Or does God place his truth in others too? ... The gospel is not our gospel, but the gospel of the kingdom of God, and what belongs to the kingdom of God cannot be hijacked by Christianity" (p. 194).

The message that Selmanovic is preaching is none other than what Alice Bailey calls the rejuvenation of the churches, where Christianity will be melded into the other religions of the world, ultimately leading to a universal global religion, and in which the gospel message of Jesus Christ will be completely compromised. Ray Yungen, in his book, A Time of Departing, explains this in depth.

Some may think that Selmanovic's anti-Christian statements are isolated, that other emerging leaders don't carry it that far. But they do. Dan Kimball's book, They Like Jesus But Not the Church is a perfect example of this hammering away at Christianity -- the only belief system with the truth and the only one that offers salvation freely through the atonement of Jesus Christ. Kimball condemns what he calls fundamentalists (which he defines as Bible literalists), and yet leaders like Josh McDowell and others commend and endorse him. Erwin McManus says it is his goal to "destroy Christianity" yet David Jeremiah and others promote him.

If Christianity is redefined as "just one of the great religions," the obvious next step will be "Jesus is just one of the great masters among many."

Emerging spirituality is quickly overtaking much of mainstream Christianity, right before our very eyes. If your pastor or youth leader is telling your church to be involved with spiritual formation, they are taking you down a road the same as Samir Selmanovic when he says he seeks "to bring progressive Jews, Christians, Muslims, and spiritual seekers of no faith to become an interfaith community for the good of the world," or when he says, "We have one world and one God," and "Imagine: One humanity, One pulpit, A rich diversity of voices, All learning from one another and cherishing the traditions of one another."1

Jesus asked the question "[W]hen the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" (Luke 18:8). That's a sobering question that we should ponder.

Thursday, June 14, 2007

New Article The Paris Hell-ton Hotel- by Coach Dave Daubenmire

I am currently preparing my review of "Evan Almighty". I cannot release until the day the movie officially is released.
Anyone who has a television probably saw Paris Hilton and her trip back to jail.
This also showed the collapse of our country because it shows what we are really interested in.
Forget that we have a new Joint Chief or the fact that our country is being overrun by illegal aliens.
Instead lets watch Paris.
Very sad state of affairs indeed.
Here is a article by the coach-


Coach Dave Daubenmire
June 14, 2007

“Last thing I remember, I was running for the door
I had to find the passage back to the place I was before
’Relax,’ said the night man, we are programmed to receive.
You can checkout any time you like, but you can never leave!” Hotel California, The Eagles

Hell is a real place. I know most churches and church leaders don’t like to talk about it, but the truth is, hell is real.

You know something else that is real? Paris Hell-ton is on her way there, and she is taking a lot of folks with her.

Perhaps I am wrong there….I guess no one actually takes someone to hell. That is an individual choice that we all make. But suffice it to say that she is greasing the skids for a lot of young kids who admire her. As I wrote a few months ago after the death of Anna Nicole Smith, the American media is glorifying slutiness, thereby lifting up a promiscuous lifestyle as an example for our daughters to follow. Is it any wonder young girls are so confused? To paraphrase Jesus, the blind are leading the blind and many are heading for the Paris Hell-ton Hotel.

“You can checkout anytime you like, but you can never leave…..”

I was reminded of that this week as I listened to reports of Miss Hell-ton’s journey to the courthouse and subsequent re-incarceration in the L. A. County jail. Although the voyeuristic media cameras that had made her such an icon were not permitted inside the courtroom, voyeuristic play-by-play announcers such as Greta Van Susteren clamored to give us the up-to-date details of the Judge’s rendering. As Greta and her fellow window-peepers ran for the phone, the words of Paris Hell-ton scrolled along the bottom of the screen.

“That’s not right. MOM!!!!!” she reportedly shrieked as they drug her off in handcuffs to serve the remainder of her sentence. When the reporters finally made contact with the studios they replayed for us the horror and fear that Miss Hell-ton was enduring as the deputies drug her away from the safety and security of her insulated, narcissistic, cocoon-of-a-life. Up until then she had lived a life where someone had always been there to protect her, to pay a buck to save her butt, a photographer was there to glorify her sin, a lawyer available to dance with the judge and pay the devil. Well not this time. Miss Hell-ton couldn’t shimmy her rear-end out of this one! The futile cry to her Mommy was all she could muster.


“Wow,” I thought to myself. “That is the way death is going to be for most people. Their whole life they have been plugging away, living life to the fullest, going for all of the gusto, always staying one-step ahead of the posse and trusting that their own goodness would qualify them for heaven.” But judgment day is coming for everyone of us.

Revelation 20:12-15 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Is anyone warning of this? When was the last time you heard a sermon on hell? Most Churches won’t bring up the subject anymore. It seems as if that is not a very seeker-friendly topic. Instead, like the bubble of protection surrounding Miss Hell-ton the modern church has assured us that Jesus will always be there to bail us out. If the thought of jail sends shivers down one’s spine, think what a glimpse of hell will bring.

Like Miss Hell-ton in an L.A. jail when death comes many are going to cry out in horror at the realization that the jaws of hell are opening wide to welcome them in. Hell is real, and sadly for millions, hell will be home. Good thing they lived their best life now.

Did you know that:

The Bible continually warns of a place called hell. There are over 162 references in the New Testament alone which warns of hell. And over 70 of these references were uttered by the Lord Jesus Christ Himself!

It is a place of torment. Luke 16:22-28.

It is a place of fire. Luke 16:24, Matthew 13:42, Matthew 25:41, Rev 20:15.

The torment is eternal. Mark 9:46, Isaiah 66:24.

It has the smell of sulfur. Revelation 14:10 (Brimstone is sulfur).

The Bible describes hell as weeping, wailing, gnashing of teeth, darkness, flames, burning, torments, everlasting punishment.

Hell is Forever. Matthew 25:41, Rev. 14:11.

The flames are unquenchable.
Too bad they didn’t allow cameras into the courtroom. The picture of spiritually depraved Paris Hell-ton begging for her mom to do something would have been a powerful message. What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul? I guess money can’t by everything. Lindsay Lohan, Britney Spears, Anna Nicole Smith, and now Paris Hell-ton are the fruit of “girls gone wild”….cascading towards hell as the paparazzi scramble to record the plunge.

But the ignorance doesn’t stop there. Just walk around your neighborhood and begin to ask people if they are going to heaven. I think that you will be shocked to find that most of them are counting on the fact that they are “a good person” and that because they have tried to live “a good life” God will be gracious.

In fact, I heard that from Paris’ friends on the tube the other night. “She is such a sweet person and she doesn’t deserve this treatment. The judge was so unjust.”

Wait until she stands before the righteous judge!

Sorry to pick on Miss Hell-ton, but the media has made her the focus and millions of parents are watching the escapades of the Hell-bound gang and giving thanks that their daughters are “not as bad” as Paris.

But they are deceived. They too have reservations at the Paris Hell-ton Hotel. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

“For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Romans 6:23.

“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:” Hebrews 9:27.

Miss Hell-ton’s sins are so public. “She is getting what she deserves,” I heard one talk-show pundit gloat, as if his private sins would not one day be exposed. “She deserves to do some time.”

We should all thank God that we don’t get what we deserve.

So, in a week or two Miss Hell-ton will be out. Having done the crime, she will have done the time. She got what she deserved.

What about you? You too will stand before a Judge. When the charges are read what will be your defense? Too whom will you cry?

Luke 13:1-5 “There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”

On that day as the gatekeepers of hell latch their chains around your neck and drag you away into eternal torment, to whom will you call?

Romans 10: 13-14 “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard?”

Hell is real, and hell is waiting!

“You can checkout any time you like, but you can never leave!”

“Moooommm! That’s not right!”

Thursday, June 07, 2007

Christianity and Hollywood Part 2

great article by Paul Proctor on the subject of Hollywood and the Church-


By Paul Proctor

March 17, 2007

From the March 12th edition of the Christian Post comes an article by Lillian Kwon entitled, Movies Making Way to the Pulpits.

She begins this way:

The growing phenomenon of "theater churches" and movie-like screens at the pulpits has more churches talking relevance in the 21st century.
Have you noticed that a rush to relevance has become the driving agenda in most churches today? - Not preaching repentance, faith or obedience to God's Word - all the things that Jesus demanded of His followers - only a never-ending quest to be relevant to the culture - something the Lord never taught. In fact, He referred to "friendship of the world" as a form of adultery - spiritual adultery:

"Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God." - James 4:4

Relevance, you see, requires common ground - a place to connect or unite - the very foundation friendships are built on. That common ground and the kinship it yields forms bonds from shared experiences and ensuing values that can, not only affect our behavior, but also last a lifetime.

Unfortunately, when we bond with the enemies of Christ, we betray Him - having first tolerated, then accepted and ultimately embraced the unscriptural standards, ideals and agendas of those to which we have willingly yoked ourselves. And like a lonely and awkward teen desperately seeking to fit in, today's adolescent church shuns her biblical upbringing in order to be loved and accepted by rebellious friends - unaware that tragedy waits, which is why the Word of God gives this warning:

"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?" - 2nd Corinthians 6:14

Even so, the Christian Post article goes on to say:

The latest survey by the Leadership Network, which fosters church innovation, revealed at least 250 churches are meeting in theaters in at least 36 states. These theater churches are one of the latest popularized trends integrating culture and the gospel message to bring in the unchurched.
Whatever happened to simply preaching the Gospel? Must it now be cunningly "integrated into the culture" with actors, scripts and high-tech imagery for the fostering of friendships before the Truth can be revealed? One might call that "evangelistic," but the evidence points to the contrary.

"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God…For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe." - 1st Corinthians 1:18, 21

The article continues:

And with films more influential today than churches, according to the Barna Research Group, movies have made it to church jumbo screens to start off many of America's pastors' sermons.
One would think that in light of this, God is now pleased by the foolishness of cinematography to save them that have a hard time believing.

"So, churches have become movie theaters and movie theaters have become churches where crowds gather to lay their silver down and behold the glorious image…"

I wrote that in a March 2004 article entitled Big Screen Jesus (Part 2) in an effort to make the point that even though one might be brought to tears or to laughter with dramatic or humorous portrayals and media manipulation, they will not be brought to repentance and faith in Christ without the convicting power of God's Word from a faithful witness.

Yet, when I read about movies being utilized by today's churches as an essential evangelistic tool of persuasion, I am reminded of the religious leaders who faithlessly approached Jesus demanding to see a sign - a visual presentation that might impress and render His Word more credible to skeptics.

The Lord's response to them was, shall we say, less than cordial:

"Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:"- Matthew 12:38-3

What was the "sign of the prophet Jonas?"

"Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown." - Jonah 3:4b


That's it? - A one-sentence warning? - Nothing more?

You'll never make friends that way!

Jonas (or Jonah), you see, didn't wow the folks in Nineveh with signs and wonders. No, God's Word was all that was offered. Yet, it was enough to cause an entire city to repent of its rebellion from the king on down.

John the Baptist and Jesus had a one-sentence warning for the doomed, as well:

"…Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." - Matthew 3:2

"…Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." - Matthew 4:17b

Have you ever wondered why Jesus was so hard on those who simply asked for a sign?

It is because they didn't believe Him. His Word was not enough. They doubted because they had no real faith in Who He is or what He had to say - and seeing a sign wouldn't change that one bit.

Did the Apostle Paul say: "So then faith cometh by seeing, and seeing by the movies of men?"

Of course not!

He said: "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. - Romans 10:17

But today's church has been persuaded by perdition that something else is required - so we fill the eyes of the lost with everything they want and nothing they need.

Why do you suppose that is?

Here's a clue:

"Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man are never satisfied."- Proverbs 27:20

And so they keep coming back for more, only to receive less - thereby causing the numbers grow exponentially and the church to celebrate the illusion of success.

Christian Newswire credits George Lucas, producer of the Star Wars movies, as having once said, "the church, which used to be all powerful, has been usurped by film."

I think he's onto something.

But is it film that saves or faith?

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God" - Ephesians 2:8

And faith is what? - The evidence of things seen?

"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." - Hebrews 11:1

Maybe that's why the Christian Examiner reported the following in November of 2004:

Despite predictions that it would become one of the greatest evangelistic tools of its time, Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ" failed to capitalize on the opportunity, even though ticket sales made it the eighth highest-grossing domestic film of all time… One of the lessons from this situation, Barna said, is that major transformation is not likely to result from a one-time exposure to a specific media product."
I've got news for Mr. Barna: Watching The Passion of the Christ movie a hundred times won't transform one's life either. A cast of pretenders is simply not capable of saving anyone.

It is not more actors and scripts that the church is in need of - but only more faithful witnesses to proclaim the Word of God.

"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." - Hebrews 4:12

Related Articles:

1, Movies Making Way to the Pulpits
2, Big Screen Jesus (Part 1)
3, Big Screen Jesus (Part 2)
4, Barna survey shows 'Passion' had little evangelicalistic effect
5, The Menace of the Religious Movie

© 2007 Paul Proctor - All Rights Reserved

Hot off the Press

Interesting article just sent to me by my friend and brother in the Lord Bud Press-

Best-seller combines spiritual movements and a little pop psychology
By Helen T. Gray

McClatchy Newspapers


KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Did you know?

You can change anything in your life.

Your life is in your hands.

The universe will rearrange itself to give you whatever you want.

If this sounds like magic, you haven't read or seen "The Secret," the best-selling book and DVD by Australian TV producer Rhonda Byrne that promises to reveal the "Great Secret" that "has been passed down through the ages, highly coveted, hidden, lost, stolen and bought for vast sums of money."

More than 5 million copies of the book are in print.

"The Secret" is the law of attraction, Byrne says:

"The law of attraction says like attracts like. ... The law of attraction is giving you what you are thinking about - period!"

The secret potion is a mixture of several spiritual movements, including a large dose of New Thought, a healthy part of Positive Thinking and a generous sprinkling of Prosperity Gospel. And with a few additives from psychology, philosophy and science - shazam! - you have "The Secret"!

New Thought, which early was known as mental science, says thought is an energy of the mind that can create tangible results in the world, said Robert Fuller, religious studies professor at Bradley University in Peoria, Ill.

New Thought has many fathers, mothers and forerunners, including author Ralph Waldo Emerson; mental healer Phineas P. Quimby; Mary Baker Eddy, founder of Christian Science; and Charles and Myrtle Fillmore, founders of Unity.

Charles Fillmore described it as "a mental system that holds man as being one with God (good) through the power of constructive thinking."

Orison Swett Marden, a prolific writer of self-help books in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, stated, "Our thoughts and imagination are the only real limits to our possibilities."

His books "all talked about how to get what you want," Fuller said. "It is magical thinking to believe that our thought alone is really a force that goes out. It implies that you are responsible for everything in your life."

Wallace Wattles, whose 1910 book "The Science of Getting Rich" sparked Byrne's quest, also is out of the New Thought movement.

"What they share in common are techniques thought to reveal the secrets of the mind, ways to unlock the depths of the human mind that is believed to be connected with powerful, spiritual energies," said Fuller, who has spent years studying these movements.

Mental healing had convinced members of the movement that invisible energy can obtain physical benefits, Fuller said.

"The energy was believed to come from God, and it was further believed that our thoughts controlled the direction of this energy," Fuller said. "`The Secret' picks this up."

"The Secret" also picks up a basic principle of Unity called the law of mind-action.

"We believe that people can attract positive or negative experiences into their lives by what they think about," said Paula Coppel, vice president of communications for Unity. "How we view things and how we choose to respond to them shape our lives.

"So if you are a positive person, you will see more good around you and attract more good into your life, and the opposite is true."

But there is a key difference between Unity and "The Secret," Coppel said: "Unity is positive, practical Christianity. Our focus is not on manifesting and attracting material things but on aligning ourselves with God.

"We say, `Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and all other things will be added unto you.'"

New Thought ideas flowed into mainstream Protestantism, developing into Positive Thinking.

Its most well-known advocate was Norman Vincent Peale, who in 1952 wrote the wildly popular "Power of Positive Thinking."

"Peale took the New Thought ideas and tied them to liberal Protestantism, keeping what was recognizably Christian," said J. Gordon Melton, founder and director of the Institute for the Study of American Religion.

"The message changed the Gospel a little bit," he said. "For instance, there's not a great virtue in humility. But there was still a lot of room for most Christian virtues like being loving and kind and honesty and still believing in salvation in Christ."

Peale wrote: "Through prayer you ... make use of the great factor within yourself, the deep subconscious mind ... (which Jesus called) the kingdom of God within you. ... Positive thinking is just another term for faith."

He also wrote, "Your unconscious mind ... (has a) power that turns wishes into realities when the wishes are strong enough."

Robert H. Schuller, who built the Crystal Cathedral in California and a multimillion-dollar television ministry, drew from Peale's positive thinking to develop "possibility thinking." These similar ideas are evident in "The Secret."

Among Schuller's many books are "Self-Love," "You Can Be the Person You Want to Be" and "Living Positively One Day at a Time."

He has said, "The only place where your dream becomes impossible is in your own thinking."

Many of "The Secret's" teachers are motivational speakers. One is Jack Canfield of "Chicken Soup for the Soul" fame, who says:

"Since I learned `The Secret' and started applying it to my life, my life has truly become magical." And: "Decide what you want. Believe you can have it. Believe you deserve it, and believe it's possible for you."

Another one, James Ray, who speaks on wealth, success and human potential, says: "If you think about Aladdin and his lamp, Aladdin picks up the lamp, dusts it off and out pops the Genie. The Genie always says one thing: `Your wish is my command.'"

He then says that the Genie is the universe; traditions have called the universe many things, "and you choose the one that works best for you, but every tradition has told us there's something bigger than us. "

Fuller from Bradley University said the positive thinkers gave a new vocabulary for understanding the covenant between humans and God.

"The Western world has tried to understand `how do I align myself with God in the universe?'" he said. "Positive thinkers help us to understand the terms of that covenant and how to put it to work.

"The terms of the covenant are simple. If you can control your thinking, you can align with the most potent powers of the universe. How appealing because I can control my own thinking, so I have a formula that I can apply to my life."

The appeal, like "The Secret," is broad because it can be seen in a secular or religious context, he said.

The power of one's thinking and the pursuit of material happiness, evident in "The Secret," can be found in the Prosperity Gospel or Word of Faith movement among Pentecostals.

This includes teachings from people like Oral Roberts, Kenneth Hagin, Benny Hinn, Joyce Meyer, T.D. Jakes, Kenneth Copeland, Fred Price, Creflo Dollar and Joel Osteen.

"In the final analysis, `The Secret' is nothing more than Name It-Claim It, Positive Confession, Prosperity Theology - without God and the Bible - built on a foundation of New Age self-deification," wrote Donald S. Whitney, biblical spirituality professor at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, Louisville, Ky., in a review on the Web site

"In other words, the book is just another version of what some TV preachers have taught for decades, namely, if you will sustain the right thoughts, words and feelings, you will receive whatever you want," he wrote. "But `The Secret' adds this important twist: Your thoughts can bring anything into your life because you are god."

This movement teaches that through faith one can obtain good health and prosperity and that it is important to speak words of faith. The belief is that words have power and what you say in faith is what you get.

Kenneth Hagin, founder of the RHEMA Bible Training Center in Tulsa, Okla., is considered the father of the modern Word of Faith movement.

Jay Howard in a Religious Research Project article said Hagin taught there are four parts to getting from God what you desire: confessing what you want, believing that you have what you want, receiving what you want and telling others you have what you want.

The most recent face of the Prosperity Movement is Joel Osteen, pastor of Lakewood Church in Houston, whose weekly average attendance is more than 30,000. A Christian Sentinel article called him "The Prosperity Gospel's Coverboy."

In a sermon, "Increasing in Favor," he says: "Your words have creative power. And one of the primary ways we release our faith is through our words."

Whitney said in an interview that those in the Word of Faith movement attempt to base their teachings on biblical passages that deal with faith.

"They would say if you have enough faith, Jesus will heal you, and God will make you prosperous," he said. "God will do it.

"`The Secret' people are saying you need to think the right thoughts, and the universe will give it to you because you are god."

Wednesday, June 06, 2007

Christianity and Hollywood Series- Article 1

Im starting this out with a great article by Roger Oakland concerning The Passion of the Christ.-Tim

The Passion of the Christ: Motives Revealed

Commentary by Roger Oakland

The newly released “Definitive Edition” of Mel Gibson’s “The Passion of the Christ” confirms the film was produced with the specific purpose to promote a Roman Catholic agenda that would introduce viewers to the Roman Catholic “Mary” and the Roman Catholic “Jesus."

Understand the Times has been sounding the alarm since the film was released in 2004, stating that “The Passion of the Christ” was not the dynamic witnessing tool that many Bible-believing Christians were touting it to be. With the release of this “Definitive Edition” it can be clearly seen what the true objectives of the filmmakers were and what these “artistic images” were intended to portray—namely the Roman Catholic view that Mary plays a key role in the redemption of mankind, and that the Sacrament of the Eucharist is the heart and core of what Rome considers true Christianity.

One of the many special features in this “Definitive Edition” is a “Theological Commentary” with remarks by three Catholic theologians and producer Mel Gibson running concurrent with the film. Among those selected to participate in this discussion were Father William Fulco, professor of antiquity at Loyola University and translator of the script into Latin and Aramaic; Father John Bartunek, theologian, priest and scholar; and Catholic apologist (former Protestant pastor) Gerry Matatics.[1]

Let’s allow these “Passion of the Christ” commentators to speak for themselves. For the complete transcript of this entire discussion:

The Passion Of The Christ: Theological Commentary

Emphasis on the Roman Catholic “Mary”

During the scene of Jesus’ arrest in the Garden of Gethsemane, the camera cuts away to Mary asleep in her bed. She bolts upright, wide awake; at the exact same moment that Christ is struck in the face by one of the soldiers. In the commentary tract, Mel Gibson says:

I specifically wanted the experience of the passion to be shared, as it would be by any mother. But this is more than a mother.

Another speaker comments:

Yes. And of course of all the movies about Jesus, this is the most Marian—the one that most connects Mary to Jesus. And so that femininity is there as a filter that the whole movie is shot through.

This “connection” is demonstrated consistently in the film by the locking of eyes between mother and son. As Jesus makes his way through the Stations of the Cross, he stumbles, he falls, he searches for the strength to continue. Then their eyes meet; he receives strength, gets up and continues toward the cross. This occurs no less than five times in the movie.

Father John Bartunek remarks:

And Jesus looks at Mary, who is his mother but also a symbol of the church, of every Christian, and he is going to suffer for us, so that we know that we are never alone. That he is never going to give up. So he gets that new burst of strength when he sees Mary. When he sees his mother he is reminded of what he is doing this for.

Gerry Matatics contributes the following:

You know, I did not understand when I was Protestant that Mary, as God’s masterpiece, as this first Christian—a Christian before Christ, as many of the church fathers called her—is herself the result of Christ’s saving work. You know, she wouldn’t be that if he had not done this for her. So when he looks at his mother, he is doing this for her.

Another commentator states:

Because of this bond between Jesus and Mary, not only is this his decision, but it is also her decision too. She gives that little slight, you know, inclination of the head. When he looks at her—just what we just saw about a minute ago. He looks at her, when the eyes lock and she nods, like, “Go ahead, let this be.” She is saying what she said when he first became incarnate in her womb— “Let it be to me according to your word.”

Mel Gibson clarifies:

So be it. Yes, she was cooperating with this, salvific work. I tried to make that obvious.

The Roman Catholic “Mary” and Her Role in Salvation

Mel Gibson stated that his goal in the film was to show that “Mary” shares a role in redemption. This crowning achievement of the “Definitive Edition” is clearly identified by one of the commentators, who said:

But again, that is something that no one else has done. This is such an enormous and important achievement of this film, that no previous—And I have seen, I think, every movie, silent and talking, about Jesus that has been made. None of them make this point, show the bond between mother and son. Show the participation of Mary in the suffering.

Earlier in the film, when Jesus is praying in the Garden of Gethsemane, before the coming events unfold, there is a scene where the devil appears and tempts Christ to give up his endeavor. As a snake slithers out from beneath Satan’s robe, Christ rises up and stomps on the serpent’s head, eliciting this discussion from panel members—

Genesis 3:15 has the words of God to the serpent. The church fathers call [it] the proto evangelian, the first announcement of the gospel, the first prophecy of the redemption where he says, “I am going to put enmity or hostility, a state of warfare, between you—the serpent, the devil ultimately—and the woman. And between your seed and her seed.”

And again, there is a little debate in biblical studies about whether she will crush or he will crush. But in a sense they work together. That is the thing that is the point. Jesus and Mary are working as the new Adam and the new Eve to bring about the defeat of the devil. And so when the serpent is crushed there, you are giving the audience a visual clue—this is the fulfillment of Genesis 3:15, that redemption that was predicted there is now set in motion.

This is clear. Mel Gibson and the supporters behind “The Passion of the Christ” are proclaiming Mary Co-Redemptrix. They believe that Mary participated with Christ in procuring the redemption of all mankind.

Extra Biblical Revelation

Another disturbing aspect that is revealed in the discussions on this theological commentary is the bold admission that many of the events portrayed are not found in the pages of the Holy Bible. In fact four times during this conversation Gibson comments that this event or that event was inspired by the writings of mystic Anne Catherine Emmerich.

The scene of the soldiers flipping the cross over with Jesus attached is attributed to a vision of Mary of Agreda. Here is an enlightening piece of dialog that occurred during the scene in which a character named Veronica wipes the blood from Christ’s brow and offers him a drink.


That is not scriptural of course.

Panel member:

No, but it is one of those traditions. I mean, even the Scripture writers remind us that there were many things that John, that father has been mentioning so many times here, says twice at the end of his Gospel in John 20:31 and John 21:2—that there were many other things that Jesus said and did that were not—The world couldn’t hold the books. And of course Luke starts out his Gospel and the Acts the same way too. In fact John says in two of his letters, his second and his third epistle, in 1 John 12 and 3 John 13, he says, “I have many more things I wish to teach you, but I do not wish to do so with pen and ink. I will do it when I come to you face to face.” And that is a verse that really hit me between the eyes when I was rereading the Bible as a Protestant minister, realizing, wait a minute. These apostles did all kinds of teaching about the events of Jesus’ death, the meaning of his death, that they did not put down in the four written accounts. I want to have access to all of it. I want the full message. And I have to read what their successors, the apostolic fathers, wrote.


Well, the written accounts weren’t available for a long time and to most people, even after they were written. So I guess that sort of petered your notion of Scripture as solas.

Panel member:

Yeah, Scripture alone is something the Bible itself doesn’t even teach. In fact Paul said, “Hold fast to all the traditions, whether they came to you written or in oral form” (2 Thessalonians 2:14). And this, you know, Veronica’s encounter that is coming up here is certainly an example of one of those.

The Roman Catholic “Eucharistic Jesus”

Another controversial portion of the film is the juxtaposition of Christ being placed on the cross with the flashback scene of Jesus’ teaching in John chapter 6. As his garments are being removed, the image changes to a loaf of bread being unwrapped as the actor who portrays Jesus says, “I am the bread of life.”

Similar cutaways occur with the spurting of blood as the nails are driven and the sharing of the “chalice” in the upper room. Understand the Times has been criticized for attempting to alert others that these scenes were intended to promote the false doctrine of transubstantiation. We were told that we were scrutinizing the film hoping to find something we could object to. In reading the transcripts of the panel discussion accompanying these scenes it becomes clear that our assessment was accurate.

Panel member:

Yeah, taking the cloth off of the bread and now stripping the garments off the one who said in John 6, “I am the bread of life.” You have to eat my flesh and drink my blood if you want everlasting life.

Gerry Matatics:

Which is another one of those Bible verses that I, as a Protestant, really wanted to just reduce to a mere figurative language until I really had to wrestle with the implications of what Jesus is saying there in John 6 and realizing, you know, who am I? What authority do I have to turn this into a figure of speech when Jesus, all the indications are he meant this literally.

Panel member:

Of all the New Testament, John 6 is about the hardest to escape, isn’t it?


The idea of transubstantiation staring you right in the face, right?

Another panel member:

Clearly all of his audience took him literally. They said, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” And they left him for that reason. He doesn’t run after them saying, “Wait, wait, you misunderstood. I was just using a nice little metaphor, a little bit of poetry.” They would have said, “Fine, we’ll come back. We love simile and metaphor and poetry.” The Psalms are full of it. But they understood him literally and he let them go because that was the true understanding. And that is certainly how the apostles took it. I mean, Paul is very clear about that in 1 Corinthians 10 and 11. He says that communion is a communion in the body and blood of Christ, not in something that is a symbol of his body and blood, or represents. In other words, the Bible never says this symbolizes or this signifies my body. This is a representation of my blood. That is something that I, as a Protestant minister, had to impose. And I realized that the Bible didn’t warrant that.

Panel member:

I think the flashbacks in this film are really excellent in pulling that together. That the Eucharist embodies the passion of Christ.

The transcript of this commentary runs nearly fifty pages. Within the discussion are teachings on the Catholic doctrine of Transubstantiation, the elevation of tradition and mystic visions to the same status as Holy Scripture, and the proclamation of Mary as Co-Redeemer with Christ. The quotations that I have included in this commentary should be sufficient to document that “The Passion of the Christ” was, from its inception, intended to draw people into the fold of the Catholic Church.

Let me include two final comments made by former Protestant pastor Gerry Matatics that will underscore my conclusion.

The Marian theme of this film and the Eucharistic theme are so beautifully interwoven that a devotion to Mary and a devotion to the Eucharist really involve each other. They are inextricably intertwined.

Quite a few spokespeople for the various Christian denominations commented that although they had never appreciated the role of Mary in redemption, that this film caused them to take a brand new look at it. And to develop a new appreciation for Mary that they didn’t have before. And I think it is one of the most important achievements of this movie. And I say that as someone who was a Protestant minister, who converted to Catholicism later.

“Definitive Edition” Definitely Roman Catholic

Documented factual statements made by Mel Gibson and his panel in the “Theological Discussion” explaining how and why “The Passion of the Christ” was made, speak loud and clear. No further comments are required.

However, there is still one area that requires comment that has not been discussed in this commentary. Previous to the public release of the “Passion of the Christ”, Gibson personally showed previews of his film to thousands of Protestant Evangelical pastors. Many of these pastors enthusiastically promoted the film to their churches, claiming it was one of the greatest evangelistic tools they had ever witnessed.

Apparently, Mel Gibson was careful during these preliminary promotional viewings not to reveal all that has now been revealed in the “Definitive Edition”. How many of these pastors would have promoted this film if they had known what we know now?

While it is not yet evident that this Roman Catholic film has been instrumental in winning many souls to (or back to) the Roman Catholic Church, it is still significant that an important precedent has been established. Pastors who have been called to protect their sheep from harmful predators need to be on the alert.

According to the Bible, the Last Days will be characterized by strong deception and many will be deceived by many. [2] Further, “lying signs and wonders” will be very instrumental in promoting “the lie” that so many will accept. [3]

Will pastors learn a lesson and be more discerning in the future? Based on the current trend that is underway towards ecumenism and a move away from the authority of the inspired Word of God, I do not hold out a lot of hope. In fact, it is apparent that discernment is becoming a rare quality within the body of Christ.

Now that the “Definitive Edition” has revealed the true motives behind “The Passion of the Christ”, I hope and pray the light of God’s Word will shine brightly into the darkness and more and more people will see the truth.


[1] Note: Because the commentary is only audio, running concurrent with the film, it is not possible to distinguish which of the panel members is speaking at any given time.

[2] Matthew 24: 3-5

[3] 2 Thessalonians 2: 3-9

New article from Paul Proctor

I would ask my readers to keep all the discernment ministries in prayer they are under attack. And with the hate speech legislation who knows what will happen to our freedom of speech in this country.
Please keep the following in prayer (as well as any others I may not be aware of). Bud Press, Mike Oppenheimer, Sandy Simpson., Steve Muse,Steve Camp, Sarah Leslie, Ingrid and Tom Schulter, Dave and Deb Dombrowski, Ken and Donna Silva and of course Paul Proctor and me and my family as well.
It can be very discouraging because it seems (and Im sure that it is) that American Christianity as well as the world is in a major state of apostasy.
But the one person is still important.
As well as we need to remember this verse from 1 John 2:19-

"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us."

There are many people who state that they are Christian who simply put are not. And we can know this from their fruits.

I went to a private screening of "Evan Almighty" yesterday but cannot comment or do a review on this until the day of the movies release.-articles to come soon.
-dont forget to study Gods Word everyday so you can hear His voice.-Tim

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

And I want to personally thank Paul Proctor for his ministry and articles.
They really make a difference.
I recently went on a 4 day cruise with my wife to the Caribbean. I also know when I need some time out.
Have a great rest Paul and catch one for me-Tim

Here is Paul's article-


By Paul Proctor

June 6, 2007

I have had a column in one form or another somewhere on the World Wide Web now for nearly ten years - the last five of which have been at During much of that time, I have maintained a Reader's List of those who felt compelled to write me on occasion about similar concerns we shared - mostly involving the changing church. I certainly wasn't the first to address this controversial issue - but since I began doing so back in August of 2000, there have been numerous individuals and ministries that have sprung up and joined in the effort to warn the flock.

There are some excellent websites and blogs on the Internet now that regularly address this and other related issues and I am glad they all are there - even those whose publishers and contributors I have had a few squabbles and differences with in recent months. The importance of the needed warning, not to mention the necessity of the Gospel being proclaimed, soundly dwarfs the personal and petty.

Though the field is now replete with both watchmen and wolves, the job is certainly no easier. In fact, just endeavoring to be a faithful Christian in these tempestuous times is a struggle in and of itself. And, with so many false, shallow, superficial and cunning examples of what a Christian is being celebrated and promoted far and wide, frankly, I don't know how anybody finds honest fellowship anymore with other believers without first sifting through countless charlatans and self-promoters, each with their own shtick and agenda.

As many of you know, it's also becoming increasingly difficult for news and opinion sites, not to mention columnists like myself, to send out news alerts via email to subscribers due to all of the spam software now blocking group sends. Over the last year, I have been forced to repeatedly re-send my article links to regular readers from various email addresses just to try and get them out to their intended recipients - only to have many email me later asking why they have been removed from my Reader's List. As you might imagine, it is frustrating to get this question sent to you from email addresses you continually receive "Returned Undeliverable" notices from.

For this and other reasons, I have decided to discontinue my Reader's List - at least for now. If you've been reading my column regularly, I'm sure you know where to find it. You'll just have to bookmark my archive and check in whenever you're surfing the net for news and opinion. With impending "hate speech" legislation in the hopper, unless the Lord intervenes, there may not be a lot of faithful Christian commentary published on the Internet or anywhere else much longer - at least not that which is biblically based. It is apparent that our window of opportunity to get the Truth out that Christians have enjoyed over the last decade may soon be closing.

There's also a good chance I won't be quite as regular with this column over the coming summer as I have been. At least, that is my desire. All of the stress, frustration, failures and victories from the year past have convinced me that some time off is necessary. I am reluctant to say, however, what I will or won't be writing about in the coming days because the Lord may well have plans for me I am not yet privy to.

As always, we'll just have to see where He leads.

"Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it." - Amos 8:11-12

© 2007 Paul Proctor - All Rights Reserved

Monday, June 04, 2007

Be Still and know that you are being deceived -by Brian Flynn

Be Still and Know ... that you are being deceived.
by Brian Flynn

There is nothing more devious than a lie told with subtlety. Last week, I purchased the Be Still and Know That I am God DVD produced by 20th Century Fox. The cover boasts of such contemplatives as Richard Foster, Dallas Willard, Calvin Miller and Priscilla Shirer, along with some names that may surprise you�Max Lucado, Beth Moore. An acknowledgement list at the end includes Brennan Manning and Dr. Charles Stanley.

The advertisement for the video states:

Eight hundred people gathered at Mariner's church in Newport Beach, California for this amazing event that was broadcast live to over 2000 churches nationwide. Richard Foster and Dallas Willard kicked off the evening with an introduction and dialogue on the history of Contemplative Prayer. Priscilla Shirer shared passionately about the vital need to spend time listening to God and Dr. Henry Cloud challenged everyone with practical steps to help incorporate this type of prayer into busy, everyday life. Kendall Payne's soulful "Be Thou My Vision" set apart the close of the evening with Richard Foster leading the group in a time of silent, listening prayer based on a scripture reading from Luke. As one woman shared afterward, "I loved learning about this new kind of prayer that is actually so old from so many different views. There really was something for everyone...

I tried to watch this DVD as if I were a person that knew little about contemplative prayer but had a fair knowledge of Scripture. By the advertisement, I am told that I�m going to be introduced to a new and different way to pray. The video begins by telling me that we all live in a frenzied chaotic world and that Christians are not immune to it. It suggests that we need to spend more time in prayer. Gosh! What a revelation! I spent $15.98 to be told that?

Richard Foster, author of Celebration of Discipline, begins by describing contemplative prayer this way:

Contemplative prayer is "listening prayer." It is attentiveness ... It is being all ears to what the Father has to say to us.

The DVD shows people reading their Bibles, while similar descriptions progress. Okay, so I am to listen to God while reading the Bible? I do that already. God informs me through His word. What�s new about that? As I am watching this, I am wondering, "Did Fox put all this money into this project just to tell people to read their Bibles and think about what they have read?"

The narrator suggests finding some quiet time to be alone. Certainly all of us need that, but I already have my morning devotional. Perhaps many Christians don�t do this and this DVD is a reminder.

The film describes contemplative prayer in many ways. Spending time in God's word and contemplating its meaning. I already do that. Get away from the world and all the noise and distractions by finding a quiet place to pray. That's nothing new. Meditating on a phrase from the Bible that has meaning to me. I do that often. However, they are suggesting a unique specific prayer. They could have called it the spend-time-contemplating-in-a-quiet-place-prayer. Perhaps they decided that name was too long and called it contemplative prayer.

Priscilla Shirer, author of He Speaks to Me, Preparing to Hear the Voice of God, shares her views. She states:

Most of my prayer time is filled up with what I am saying to Him as opposed to just being quiet, actually giving Him an opportunity to speak to me�. It never occurred to me that I needed to consciously go into his presence with my mouth closed giving him an opportunity to get a word in edgewise.

Does she mean that God starts talking in my mind during the time of prayer? Now this is confusing to me. The premise of the Be Still DVD is suggesting that we need to spend more time alone in solitude to read the Bible, but then the meaning is switched to now mean silencing, or stilling, one�s thoughts. Which silent solitude do they mean? Finding quiet time or finding quiet time to quiet and still the mind?

I was curious as to why Beth Moore had been a part of this production. Although I am not greatly familiar with her work, I have been told by many that she is well thought of within the Christian community, and she has created reputable Bible study programs. When she was questioned as to her participation in Be Still that promotes a mystical prayer movement she released a statement distancing herself from the project. What has really sparked my curiosity is what is she distancing herself from? After all, she seems to be the most quoted person in the film. If this practice is a biblical one, why has she denounced this project? Does she too see a problem with contemplative prayer?

The phrase contemplative prayer sounds like a suggestion that we are to contemplate God�s word or contemplate its meaning by thinking. However, that is not its real meaning or how it is practiced.

Those on the DVD who promote the silence teach that this state of mind is reached through a repetitive practice (i.e., a mantra). Listed in the acknowledgements of Be Still is Brennan Manning. He describes the method in his book Signature of Jesus this way:

[T]he first step in faith is to stop thinking about God at the time of prayer. The second step, without moving your lips, repeat the sacred word [or phrase] inwardly, slowly, and often.

The third step concerns what to do when inevitable distractions come. The answer is to simply return to listening to your sacred word. Gently return your mind to your sacred word.

This is the only way that one can truly silence the mind. It is like putting the mind in neutral. Without repetition your own thoughts simply get in the way. We are beings that simply cannot shut off our thoughts, but you can through repetition, by going into an altered state. Hindus have practiced this type of meditation for centuries.

During this practice, contemplatives believe that you can hear God speaking in your mind. This is not a biblical practice. God has spoken to many individuals throughout the Bible but never by a meditative practice initiated by man. It is a dangerous practice and the results are detrimental.

Richard Foster admits to this danger in his book Prayer: Finding the Heart's True Home:

I also want to give a word of precaution. In the silent contemplation of God we are entering deeply into the spiritual realm, and there is such a thing as a supernatural guidance�. While the Bible does not give us a lot of information on that, there are various orders of spiritual beings, and some of them are definitely not in cooperation with God and his way! � But for now I want to encourage you to learn and practice prayers of protection.
Foster also states:

At the outset I need to give a word of warning, a little like the warning labels on medicine bottles. Contemplative prayer is not for the novice. I do not say this about any other form of prayer�
Sadly, this warning label is not listed on the DVD.

Foster describes the method of contemplative prayer quite differently in the Be Still film. It is a rather watered-down version of Lectio Divina. He instructs the listener to read a page of scripture several times looking for the important passages. He then reads it again focusing on one passage that he feels is relevant to him at that moment in his life. If that was all there was to contemplative prayer, I would not have written a book condemning it. I propose to you that Mr. Foster is not being upfront and honest in the DVD.

Max Lucado, also in the film, states there are two ways to read the Bible�for inspiration and for information. Certainly the Bible inspires me but it is by its information. Throughout this film, there is an underlying theme that the Bible is to be used, not just as a resource for knowledge, but rather as a mystical device. So in essence, the Bible is being recommended as a tool to practice our meditation techniques!

In later sections of the DVD under Cloud of Witnesses, Foster praises the early mystics such as Madame Guyon, but how does she describe reading the Bible? From Foster�s book Devotional Classics, Madame Guyon states:

[M]ake use of scripture to quiet your mind. First read a passage of scripture. Once you sense the Lord�s presence, the content of what you read is no longer important. The scripture has served its purpose; it has quieted your mind; it has brought you to him. � You should always remember that you are not there to gain an understanding of what you have read; rather you are reading to turn your mind from the outward things to the deep parts of your being. You are not there to learn or to read, but you are there to experience the presence of your Lord!

The Lord is already present! He is sitting at the right hand of the Father. I already have the assurance through his word without "practicing the presence."

This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, a hope both sure and steadfast and one which enters within the veil, where Jesus has entered as a forerunner for us, having become a high priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek. (Hebrews 6:19-21)

In truth, those supporting the practice of contemplative prayer are demonstrating a tragic failure of faith. Is Christ�s finished work on the Cross not enough for them, and are they not now sharing their doubt with all of us?

Although there are demonstrations of honest love for God from some of the individuals in this DVD, there is too much misleading information that will take listeners from knowing the word of God to an inward journey of deception waiting for God to speak to them in their minds. In fact, their use of the title Be Still and Know That I Am God, demonstrates their lack of biblical knowledge.

There are two commands in this verse:

1. BE STILL (don�t worry or panic) and

2. KNOW THAT I AM GOD (a recognition of God�s sovereignty).

The Achilles heal of contemplative prayer has always been its lack of biblical support . The choice is clear, we either come to God on his terms or any way man sees fit. Coming to God through a practice taught by mystics during the Dark Ages which they borrowed from eastern religions is not coming to God on His terms.

I left the New Age to escape practices like these, because I knew they lead to deception. I am not going to stand by and watch while my brothers and sisters in Christ fall into the same trap. The participants in this DVD are in scriptural error and must be confronted. No matter how much these modern day mystics try to attain the silence they will never receive silence from me.

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